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Bipartisan deal reached on gun background checks
Washington Post ^ | 04/10/2013 | Ed O'Keefe

Posted on 04/10/2013 7:39:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A bipartisan group of senators has struck a deal to expand gun background checks to all commercial sales — whether at gun shows, via the Internet or in any circumstance involving paid advertising, according to Senate aides familiar with the talks.

The proposed agreement would be more stringent than current law, which requires checks only when purchases are made through a licensed dealer, but less than originally sought by President Obama and congressional Democrats, who were seeking to expand background checks to nearly every kind of sale.

The agreement should secure enough bipartisan support for the Senate to proceed to debate on an overarching bill that would expand background checks, make gun trafficking a federal crime for the first time and bolster federal funding for school security plans. Senate Democratic leaders have said they will permit senators of both parties to introduce amendments to the measure.

The deal on background checks was struck by Sens. Joe Manchin III (D-W. Va.), Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) and Patrick Toomey (R-Pa.), who will introduce the proposal as an amendment to the current gun bill under consideration in the Senate, aides said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Illinois; US: New York; US: Pennsylvania; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: backgroundchecks; banglist; chuckschumer; guncontrol; illinois; joemanchin; markkirk; newyork; pa; pattoomey; pennsylvania; rkba; secondamendment; treason; westvirginia; wv
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1 posted on 04/10/2013 7:39:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The word “bipartisan” means that some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.

-George Carlin


2 posted on 04/10/2013 7:40:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

The House says: No.............


3 posted on 04/10/2013 7:41:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Red Badger

They’d better.


4 posted on 04/10/2013 7:41:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind
Aren’t they gonna kiss us first?
5 posted on 04/10/2013 7:42:08 AM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: SeekAndFind
expand gun background checks to all commercial sales — whether at gun shows, via the Internet or in any circumstance involving paid advertising, according to Senate aides familiar with the talks. The proposed agreement would be more stringent than current law, which requires checks only when purchases are made through a licensed dealer, but less than originally sought by President Obama and congressional Democrats, who were seeking to expand background checks to nearly every kind of sale.

COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSH|T.

If you buy a gun on the Internet, it has to go through the NICS check. If you buy a gun at a gun show from an FFL, it has to go through a NICS check.

I believe this whole thing is a ruse to get through a law that says all "transfers"--not sales--have to go through a licensed dealer. Therefore, I cannot lend my buddy or nephew or uncle a gun.

REJECT THIS!

6 posted on 04/10/2013 7:43:52 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Bipartisan deal reached” means America loses more of their liberty.


7 posted on 04/10/2013 7:44:19 AM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: JPG
RE: Aren’t they gonna kiss us first?

Here ya go...

8 posted on 04/10/2013 7:44:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

bipartisan means the republican caved, the democrats killed a rino and/or some REALLY BIG LIE is happening.


9 posted on 04/10/2013 7:45:10 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Red Badger

“The House says: No.......”

Do you have any links to support that? My understanding is that Boehner already caved also.


10 posted on 04/10/2013 7:45:55 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: SeekAndFind

I feel confident that both of my backstabbing RINO sonofabitch Senators are going to screw me and any other freedom loving Georgian in the back.

Since Saxby his finally shown his true color and won’t run (I’ll not vote for another GOB appeaser for that spot), and good ole Isakson is up in 4 years for re-election, I’ll try to stay alive until then and vote against them or their chosen successors.


11 posted on 04/10/2013 7:46:50 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: dfwgator

Tyrant Kim Un Hussein must be very pleased that his efforts to “FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” are progressing so easily.


12 posted on 04/10/2013 7:48:17 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: JPG

Usually someone buys me dinner and few drinks before they try to do this to me...


13 posted on 04/10/2013 7:48:26 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: dfwgator

And I thought “bipartisan” meant Stupid and Criminal


14 posted on 04/10/2013 7:48:50 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: Red Badger

I would not bet on it.


15 posted on 04/10/2013 7:49:05 AM PDT by sport
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To: backwoods-engineer

They KNOW this. ALL of them KNOW this. They aren’t about the truth. They are about getting a foothold law establishing a universal (of sorts) background check law nationally. You will then see, maybe before 2014, a hell-bent-for-leather push to translate that act into a NATIONAL REGISTRY, which is what they are really after. It is so because that registry is the foundation for an effective confiscation of guns from all Americans opposing Obama and the Democrats.


16 posted on 04/10/2013 7:49:41 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

We havebeen sold down the river one more time.


17 posted on 04/10/2013 7:50:13 AM PDT by sport
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To: backwoods-engineer

this is junk because ALL online sales have to go to an ffl FIRST then to you.

If we do an online check then there should be no middle ffl.

This is just to track via internet capture, ala illegal warrentless searches and credit checks for any transactions.

sort of the way the feds capture all email and internet communications.


18 posted on 04/10/2013 7:53:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought maybe I’d be so fortunate as to pass away before America became completely communist or tyrannical, a nation without law .... (or with “laws” and pigs in charge like in Animal Farm)

(Alas, it was not to be...)

We need to VOTE THESE anti-American Senators OUT OF OFFICE (if there are still elections next time)... I am going to make a list of all their names and send political campaign contributions to their opponents (of either party)...


19 posted on 04/10/2013 7:53:39 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: sport

background check is only there so they know where you are so they can take your weapons


20 posted on 04/10/2013 7:54:04 AM PDT by molson209
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To: SeekAndFind

Soon you will need “proof of registry” in order to buy ammo, thus negating the exclusion of “grandfathered”, presently owned firearms.


21 posted on 04/10/2013 7:54:06 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: SeekAndFind

They can call it a deal.

It’s a sellout.

Toomey will pay for this at the polls.


22 posted on 04/10/2013 7:54:43 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Gaffer

they’re my two idiot SINators as well. i called them yesterday and they are feeling the heat. told isackson if he supported this nonsense i would not vote for him.


23 posted on 04/10/2013 7:54:47 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: SeekAndFind
Bipartisan is a multi-sybolic word that means, THE REPUBLICANS SOLD YOU DOWN THE RIVER AGAIN.
24 posted on 04/10/2013 7:55:08 AM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: SeekAndFind
Ayn Rand: “In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.”

This doesn't pass the stink test - there is something fishy going on here.

All commercial sales already require a background check so, as presented here, this bill would change nothing.
And we know that's not going to happen.

So what is the real purpose of the bill?

There is probably some sort of Clintonion weasle-word parsing in the specifics that will enable future expansion of the government's powers to control and/or restrict gun sales and transfers.

You can trust these politicians about as far as you could toss Queen Michelle, uphill and against the wind.


25 posted on 04/10/2013 7:56:18 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: ealgeone

I don’t even get answers to my emails to him any more. He knows what I think about his worthless ass.


26 posted on 04/10/2013 7:56:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: molson209

Just give your address as “1060 West Addison Street Chicago Il.”


27 posted on 04/10/2013 7:56:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: backwoods-engineer

Throughout this whole debate, it has amazed me how much misinformation is spread and how completely wrong people are when they try to present the facts.

As you stated, you CANNOT buy a firearm from a legit FFL, without the checks. If an FFL sells you a gun without one, then there are laws already on the books that deal with that.

The republicans in the Senate are getting played again, as usual. Either that, or Reid has something on them. Hoping that 2014 will usher in some new blood.


28 posted on 04/10/2013 7:57:03 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: dfwgator

Yup.


29 posted on 04/10/2013 7:57:06 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SeekAndFind

No.


30 posted on 04/10/2013 7:57:24 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: JPG
Aren’t they gonna kiss us first?

I don't think so. They don't like us that much.

31 posted on 04/10/2013 7:57:42 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: BarnacleCenturion; sport

The current makeup of the House is 232(R), 201(D) and 2 vacancies.

Boner would have to get 217 to pass it. He wold have to get ALL 201 Dems and 16 Pubbies to do that. Many Dems are from conservative districts and not likely to go along, so it would be a tough row to hoe........


32 posted on 04/10/2013 7:57:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Iron Munro

“Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.” - Dark Helmet


33 posted on 04/10/2013 7:58:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Clint N. Suhks; smokingfrog; mylife; lightman

KILL IT in the House, dammit!


34 posted on 04/10/2013 7:58:55 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The most insidious power the news media has, is the power to ignore.)
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To: SeekAndFind
To put the phrase "gay marriage" into the dictionary, the statists had to delete a word already there.

It appears they deleted the word "infringe."

35 posted on 04/10/2013 7:58:58 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They really didn’t have to cave. The majority of the people are with us. The fact that 32 guns per minute have been purchased under obama tells us everything we need to know.


36 posted on 04/10/2013 7:59:23 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: backwoods-engineer

If you buy a gun on the Internet, it has to go through the NICS check.


Not if the seller is in your state.

Under this proposal, there would be no check if you found it from a free advertising site.


37 posted on 04/10/2013 8:00:19 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: SeekAndFind

Their goal is an undeclared registry. They have also found our Achilles heel — ammo. All the guns in world do no good if you can’t get ammo or components to load your own ammo. Expect some legislation to make it harder to buy ammo.


38 posted on 04/10/2013 8:00:42 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: JPG
Aren’t they gonna kiss us first?

And they won't even be using any vaseline , so enjoy it while you can ,they be coming for you....

39 posted on 04/10/2013 8:01:03 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: qaz123
Hoping that 2014 will usher in some new blood.

Right. After all, there are thousands of politicians and politician wannabes out there just salivating over the opportunity to take their turn at the trough.

40 posted on 04/10/2013 8:01:35 AM PDT by Roccus (POLITICIAN...............a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Once they take the Second Amendment, they can take anything they want.
41 posted on 04/10/2013 8:02:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: qaz123
Hoping that 2014 will usher in some new blood.

I wouldn't count on it. The rats have become quite adept at stealing elections AND getting away with it.

42 posted on 04/10/2013 8:03:52 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: qaz123
As you stated, you CANNOT buy a firearm from a legit FFL, without the checks. If an FFL sells you a gun without one, then there are laws already on the books that deal with that.

And of course, only a licensed FFL can legally make a "commercial" sale.

So there is definately some sort of Obama style Double-Speak involved here.

They will probably have to "pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy".


43 posted on 04/10/2013 8:06:21 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: SeekAndFind

18 USC § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242


44 posted on 04/10/2013 8:06:31 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

45 posted on 04/10/2013 8:06:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: jersey117
perhaps the media will be given a pass when confiscation begins ... then the media will be disarmed at a later time. Have fun media, you’all put zer0 in office. Enjoy your reeducation. oh I see, you think you’all are already reeducated. LOL.
46 posted on 04/10/2013 8:06:55 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Iron Munro

On a quick glance, it appears that the ‘Rats just wanted to pass ANYTHING as a face-saving measure. Even something rather marginal and meaningless.

“See, we tightened up background checks!”


47 posted on 04/10/2013 8:08:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mushroom Gravy

Just how, and where, can you buy a gun over the internet? You can’t.


48 posted on 04/10/2013 8:08:38 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Red Badger; BarnacleCenturion; sport

Liberal Dems will not support this Bill without amendments. Once amendments are passed, it will die.


49 posted on 04/10/2013 8:09:07 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: backwoods-engineer
REJECT THIS!

How bout IGNORE IT. They can make all the phony laws they want. Then try to enforce them!

The war has started and they are the enemy.

50 posted on 04/10/2013 8:11:31 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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