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What’s inside the Manchin-Toomey background check proposal?
Twitchy ^

Posted on 04/10/2013 1:00:21 PM PDT by Perdogg

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-West Virginia) and Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pennsylvania) have released their much buzzed-about proposal to extend background checks to all commercial gun sales, including sales conducted at gun shows or on the Internet. The proposal would exempt some gun sales from background checks, such as those that occur between relatives.

(Excerpt) Read more at twitchy.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 04/10/2013 1:00:21 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

traitors


2 posted on 04/10/2013 1:01:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Perdogg

You should hear a distinct hissing sound from this one.


3 posted on 04/10/2013 1:04:06 PM PDT by dartuser (My firearm is not illegal ... its undocumented.)
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To: Perdogg

- Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).

- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.

So, if you’re not a veteran, your shrink can perform a “submission of mental health records” that does not “Provide a legal process... to contest (your) placement in NICS when there is not basis for barring the right to own a firearm.”

If your shrink is a leftist, he’ll just cancel your civil rights.


4 posted on 04/10/2013 1:05:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: dartuser

Posting at Twitchy:

“Remember, the whole Toomey/Manchin bill was brought on by Sandy Hook, which nothing they proposed in the presser would have stopped.”


5 posted on 04/10/2013 1:07:23 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: Perdogg
Encourage states to provide all their available records to NICS by restricting federal funds to states who do not comply

Lol! Oh, you mean the mafia definition of "encourage", such as "asking" the rich to pay more in taxes, when you really mean force them with the threat of imprisonment.

6 posted on 04/10/2013 1:09:35 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Perdogg

I wish I still worked at the auto parts store, Senator Toomey’s cousin comes on all the time and I sold him lots of parts. I’d like to ask him, “what’s going on?!”


7 posted on 04/10/2013 1:09:39 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Uncle Miltie
If your shrink is a leftist, he’ll just cancel your civil rights.

Nobody cancels my rights, because they come from God not from man. True, they might make it a little more inconvient for me to purchase guns as I won't be able to go to the local gun store and I might be forced to obtain my guns by...other means...but I WILL still have guns.

8 posted on 04/10/2013 1:12:14 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Perdogg

Adding, I’d say, “tell him not to trust Manchin at all, and if he does, he’s lost all support. Never, ever trust ‘the other side’ on this issue.”


9 posted on 04/10/2013 1:12:19 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: apillar
Nobody cancels my rights, because they come from God not from man. True, they might make it a little more inconvient for me to purchase guns as I won't be able to go to the local gun store and I might be forced to obtain my guns by...other means...but I WILL still have guns.

Well as Ayn Rand elluded to in "Atlas Shrugged," "the more laws you make the more criminals you make."
10 posted on 04/10/2013 1:14:25 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Uncle Miltie
So, if you’re not a veteran, your shrink can...

What is a "shrink", and who has one? Is that like a "guidance counselor" for grown-ups?
I don't even think I KNOW anybody who ever visited a shrink. I sure as hell wouldn't, anymore than I visited my high school guidance counselor.

11 posted on 04/10/2013 1:18:03 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Perdogg

Abortion appears no where in the Constitution. Yet we’re told it’s a right that has to be protected.

If our government protected guns the way they protect abortion you would see:

1) Courts striking down all gun legislation.
2) Media would refuse to air any real arguments against guns. Moreover, Hollywood media heroes would fight against out of control gun regulators.
3) Government would fight any attempts at registering, regulating or tracking fire arms.
4) Laws banning the transport of guns over state borders would be thrown out.
5) People under the age of 18 could buy guns without their parents consent or knowledge.
6) The government would be supplying us all with guns and ammo, regardless of how poor you are.
7) Our schools would teach about guns and gun safety.
8) The government would crack down on protesters outside of gun stores.
9) All gun store records and receipts would be protected from outsiders on the grounds of “privacy”.

Note that most guns never kill or injure anyone.

Most abortions result in someone dying.

People injured or killed by guns include a large age range from 1 year old to 100 years old. Some of these people are injured because they are doing bad things.

People injured or killed by abortion include those who are 9 months and younger. The only crime they are committing is not being out of the womb.

***MORE CHILDREN DIE TO ABORTION EVERY YEAR THAN GUNS***

But no one talks about regulating abortion.


12 posted on 04/10/2013 1:22:01 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Perdogg
This is about what I expected: a wanton, egregious infringement of the right to keep and bear arms and an insult to the American people.

Both those bums belong in prison.

13 posted on 04/10/2013 1:26:26 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Perdogg
I don't live in PA..though I know someone who does. They called Toomey’s office. The staffer said they were getting in a lot of calls against any changes to the 2nd Amendment (and Toomey did this anyway). It's so hard not to keep from being upset with these people because innocent people will be in situations in the near future they are not allowed to have a firearm once a physician becomes the vehicle from patient to the government. What would stop political grudges and abuses in this set up. To me, that's un-American to take the 2nd Amendment right from a veteran because he/she may arrive back home with stress and fatigue and on anti depressants etc. The government is really in our lives now and we don't know what else is coming. This and Obamacare seemes to be linked for a reason. Shame on all of these politicians. We have to purge them. They each deserve to be history.
14 posted on 04/10/2013 1:32:26 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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***MORE CHILDREN DIE (DUE) TO ABORTION EVERY YEAR THAN GUNS***

Not only that, but horribly, more young, elementary school age children are killed every week by their parents or other caregivers than were killed in the shooting in Newtown, CT. Few of those children are killed with firearms.

Most of them result from the actions of parents with mental health and/or substance abuse problems.

Of course that doesn't fit into the gun grabbing agenda of the left, so there is no effort at the federal level to do something about the killing of more than 1500 children per year by their own parents.

15 posted on 04/10/2013 1:34:05 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Perdogg
The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act would require states and the federal government to send all necessary records on criminals and the violently mentally ill to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The bill extends the existing background check system to gun shows and online sales.

The bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a national firearms registry, and imposes serious criminal penalties (a felony with up to 15 years in prison) on any person who misuses or illegally retains firearms records.

So the bill will send all necessary records on criminals and the violently mentally ill to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), but not create a national firearms registry .

Whew! I'm relieved. Its only a list, a Federal database - not a registry. We all know the Federal government is an absolute paragon of trustworthiness and will never cross an explicit ban

16 posted on 04/10/2013 1:37:44 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Perdogg
- Authorizes use of a state concealed carry permit instead of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer.

That's an improvement, so is making it a felony to retain NICS background check data. (Although they'll probably do it anyway through some backdoor scheme...)

- Fixes interstate travel laws for sportsmen who transport their firearms across state lines in a responsible manner. The term “transport” includes staying in temporary lodging overnight, stopping for food, buying fuel, vehicle maintenance, and medical treatment.

Also not a bad idea.

Maybe the senators can amend out some of the bad provisions and keep the good ones.

17 posted on 04/10/2013 1:40:04 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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Achtung! Der Fuhrer has determined that the exemptions to the background check can no longer continue - it's for the children! Sieg Heil!!
18 posted on 04/10/2013 1:46:31 PM PDT by majormaturity
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To: Uncle Miltie

So, if you are prescribed an antidepressant you may be deemed unfit to purchase a firearm. If this is retroactive that would eliminate about 75% of the population.


19 posted on 04/10/2013 1:53:05 PM PDT by GamecockD
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To: GamecockD; All

perscribed or filled perscription? seems an anti-second doctor could just issue a perscription without having it filled and screw up a person’s life. Also don’t some of those pills have dual uses?

Either way, the only place this taking of a civil right should go is in front of a competency court hearing with due process.


20 posted on 04/10/2013 1:55:44 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Perdogg

Save


21 posted on 04/10/2013 2:05:04 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: GamecockD

75%?? Did you make that number up?


22 posted on 04/10/2013 2:07:02 PM PDT by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: GamecockD

One in fifty kids today has autism. One in six has a developmental disability like adhd. IF we add all those in the number approaches 100% fairly quickly.


23 posted on 04/10/2013 2:10:46 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Perdogg
I'll contact his office to find out just which mental health records we're talking about here. Involuntary commitments only or getting prescribed medication. Getting treated for insomnia, depression, anxiety, an eating disorder?

This needs clarification along with the "gun show loophole" and Internet sales.

Could be just a lot of smoke but then again could be very bad.

Every little step means further infringement of our God given rights.

24 posted on 04/10/2013 2:20:42 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: freeandfreezing

Children who die to gun shots and neglect at least have the dignity to be called “people” and “victims”.

Aborted babies don’t even get that.


25 posted on 04/10/2013 3:58:18 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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