Skip to comments.Senator Toomey Betrays Gun Owners [ACT NOW!]
Posted on 04/10/2013 4:37:40 PM PDT by forty_years
Urgent action required. It is urgent that every gun owner call their Senators today and demand that they oppose the "See a Shrink, Lose your Guns" sell-out bill that is being authored by Senators Pat Toomey (R) and Joe Manchin (D) - but which also has Chuck Schumer's fingerprints all over it. Call senators immediately at 202-224-3121 and click here to send pre-written or free-form emails to senators about the Toomey/Manchin "compromise" (scroll to bottom to send).
See a Shrink, Lose your Guns. The anti-gun "ranters" have spent the last week telling us that Republican Senators can't filibuster Harry Reid's gun control bill; that they can't cut off debate to a bill they haven't seen yet. "Let the bill come up," they say. "We need to see the bill" before Senators can vote against cloture to proceed to it.
Well, we've seen the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out, and it's worse than the Feinstein gun ban, which will reportedly be tied to it and offered simultaneously in a Senate procedure known as an "amendment tree."
Toomey and Manchin will claim that their bill only covers "gun show sales" and Internet sales. But if you've ever talked about your gun and /or let it be known you'd like to sell or buy a gun on the Internet, this language covers you. If you advertise your gun in the church bulletin and the bulletin is put on the Internet, you're covered.
The only exemption is for sales that are sold exclusively by word of mouth. The increased number of background checks would likely exacerbate the system breakdowns (inherent to NICS) which have shut down gun shows over and over again. It would mean that Americans who were illegally denied firearms because their names were similar to other people's would effectively be barred from owning a gun. (We would never tolerate such delays for voting rights or other freedoms that we are guaranteed.)
And for those Republicans who think they're going to be able to offer their useless amendments, guess what? Reid is reportedly going to use a procedure to block out all amendments (called an "amendment tree"). And there are plenty of Senators standing in line to make sure that the Senate doesn't give "unanimous consent" to let those Republicans offer their amendments.
So if you live in a rural area, you're effectively barred from selling or buying a gun - or it at least becomes very, very difficult.
Incidentally, the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer "national registry" language is full of holes. There will be a national gun registry as a result of this sell-out.
But that's not the worst part. Under an amendment in the bill to HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act), you could have your guns taken away because your private shrink thinks you're "dangerous" and could send your name directly to the FBI Instant Check system.
Did you think it was terrible that 150,000 military veterans had been added into the NICS system because they'd seen a VA shrink about their PTSD? Well guess what? Now it's going to happen to the rest of the population ... by the millions!
And the next step, of course, will be to begin to sue psychiatrists that don't send every single patient's name to the Instant Check system, and to make sure that their lives are ruined if they don't send a patient to NICS and anything goes wrong.
The bottom line: "See a shrink; lose your guns."
All of this will reportedly be on an amendment tree with the Feinstein gun ban and magazine bans.
Repeal of gun owner protections. In addition, Toomey no doubt unintentionally agreed to repeal one of the most important protections for gun owners that was included in the 1986 McClure-Volkmer Act - the provision that would allow you to take an unloaded, locked-up gun through states like New York without being stopped. Under a new subsection (c), the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer bill would require you to "demonstrate" to the satisfaction of New York police where you were coming from and where you are going to. And, if you don't do that to their satisfaction, they can arrest you.
Please keep in mind, nothing in this bill would have stopped Newtown dirtbag from killing his mother and taking the firearms that she owned and perpetrating the horrible crimes that he committed.
Nothing is this bill would actually make children safer at schools. There is nothing that will actually keep bad guys from stealing or illegally acquiring guns, but there's plenty that will threaten our gun rights!
ACTION: Contact your two senators immediately. Tell them the "see a shrink; lose your guns" sellout is even worse than the Feinstein gun ban which will reportedly be on the same amendment tree with it. Distribute this alert far and wide.
Time is short, so if you call - at 202-224-3121 - you may click below to see the pre-written letter and use the contents to help direct your comments.
Click here to send your Senators a prewritten email message (scroll to bottom to send).
Senator Toomey, would your solution prevent Newtown from happening again? If it does not solve that problem then there is nothing to discuss. I anxiously await hearing how these ‘geniuses’ will keep a Newtown from happening again
In Michigan we have a problem Comrade Stabenow and Comrade Levin are our useless senators. They only listen to the big cities and screw the rural voters. They are already in goosestep with Odumb@$$’s Facist Plan.
I live in PA, the home state for Toomey. The other senator is Bob Casey, a dipchit Democrat. Calling or emailing is useless.
When is everyone going to figure out that the Republican Party has sold us out? We have no representation in Washington.
We need to mobilize the Tea Party!
It`s like these guys are begging that the base stays home and they get booted out of office .
What are in the minds of the GOP elite these days ?
Feeling politically suicidal, revealing their true innner totalitarian selves, being blackmailed, bribed ?
But Toomey’s actions prove that the politics of counting votes/emails/letters/faxes does matter. The only reason he jumped on this train was to appease mainly urban parts of PA for his next election. We beat all anti-gun legislation in NM in the 2013 session by bombarding the state house with emails and phone calls. Both the House and Senate in NM are controlled by Democrats, but they caved when faced with an overwhelming voter backlash of emails and calls, and it’s not even an election year. My eyes and ears in the capital told me that they were really shaken by the vociferous opposition to what they assumed would be a cake-walk.
That is a lie, what I am and have been for many years is very much against Arlen Specter, who as you know Santorum was devoted to and supported even in 2010.
Arlen Specter was also supported by, endorsed by, and campaigned for, by Santorum during Specter's 1996 Presidential run to make the GOP a pro-abortion party.
Toomey is trying to appeal to surburban women in the Philly suburbs. With Gov. Tom Corbett sinking approvals, Toomey is trying to distance himself from the governor with his unique brand of GOP. Toomey figures that conservatives will get over the gun bill when he’s up for re-election in 2016.
He knows he lost my vote if he doesn't work against his own bill. He also knows that I will work against him in the next primary.
I tried my best to write a respectful email. I did not use any profanity or threaten his life. That was the most restraint that I could find.
You guys should not be dragging threads around from one thread to another, basically stalking freepers and hijacking threads, and carrying grudges, but since you want to make this a Santorum thread, and since Naps came on so strong with post 5, even making up a lie about me being a lover of Toomey, a man who’s only interest to me was defeating Specter, here I am.
I just wrote a flaming email to Toomey.
Good for you. We wouldn't be where we are now, with politicians doing whatever they want, if people were engaged. We're lucky to get a 50% turnout at a national election. I lived in a town of 150,000 where a school levy was decided on 2500 votes.
The devil is in the details. I have contacted my Senators and a number of key Senators in other states over the past week, including Toomey, as to the problems I had with Chuck Schumers universal background check law.
Before I go screaming what the laws says, I would like to see it. Although I have to confess, that keeping it from view of voters is not a very good sign.
If anyone has a link to the real language (not the joint presentation outline of points), I would really appreciate it.
Unique brand of GOP? What’s so unique about betraying most of your constituents?
I for one won’t forgive him. He can spin it all he likes. Bottom line is that he has trashed the Constitution and pizzed away our rights and protections.
Toomey went liberal on gays in military. If a Republican doesn’t have the courage to stand for traditional values, he’s going to be weak on other issues.
That’s not the purpose of it. The purpose is to attempt to diminish the level of arms amongst the public BEFORE they crater the nation economically.
Bottom Line: The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act would require states and the federal government to send all necessary records on criminals and the violently mentally ill to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The bill extends the existing background check system to gun shows and online sales.
The bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a national firearms registry, and imposes serious criminal penalties (a felony with up to 15 years in prison) on any person who misuses or illegally retains firearms records.
TITLE ONE: GETTING ALL THE NAMES OF PROHIBITED PURCHASERS INTO THE BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM
Summary of Title I: This section improves background checks for firearms by strengthening the instant check system.
- Encourage states to provide all their available records to NICS by restricting federal funds to states who do not comply.
- Allow dealers to voluntarily use the NICS database to run background checks on their prospective employees.
- Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).
- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.
TITLE TWO: REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR FIREARM SALES
Summary of Title II: This section of the bill requires background checks for sales at gun shows and online while securing certain aspects of 2nd Amendment rights for law abiding citizens.
- Closes the gun show and other loopholes while exempting temporary transfers and transfers between family members.
- Fixes interstate travel laws for sportsmen who transport their firearms across state lines in a responsible manner. The term "transport" includes staying in temporary lodging overnight, stopping for food, buying fuel, vehicle maintenance, and medical treatment.
- Protects sellers from lawsuits if the weapon cleared through the expanded background checks and is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.
- Allows dealers to complete transactions at gun shows that take place in a state for which they are not a resident.
- Requires that if a background check at a gun show does not result in a definitive response from NICS within 48 hours, the sale may proceed. After four years, when the NICS improvements are completed, the background check would clear in 24 hours. Current law is three business days.
- Requires the FBI to give priority to finalizing background checks at gun shows over checks at store front dealerships.
- Authorizes use of a state concealed carry permit instead of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer.
- Permits interstate handgun sales from dealers.
- Allows active military to buy firearms in their home states.
- Family transfers and some private sales (friends, neighbors, other individuals) are exempt from background checks
TITLE THREE: NATIONAL COMMISSION ON MASS VIOLENCE
Summary of Title III: : This section of the bill creates a commission to study the causes of mass violence in the United States, looking at all aspects of the problem, including guns, school safety, mental health, and violent media or video games.
The Commission would consist of six experts appointed by the Senate Majority Leader and six experts appointed by the Speaker of the House. They would be required to submit an interim report in three months and a completed report in six months.
WHAT THE BILL WILL NOT DO
The bill will not take away anyone's guns.
The bill will not ban any type of firearm.
The bill will not ban or restrict the use of any kind of bullet or any size clip or magazine.
The bill will not create a national registry; in fact, it specifically makes it illegal to establish any such registry.
The bill will not, in any way at all, infringe upon the Constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens.
“Toomey figures that conservatives will get over the gun bill when hes up for re-election in 2016.”
Wanna bet ??He’s TOAST!
Sent toomey this when i was redirected to a page with gun rights loaded as an option:Funny that Socialists, Communists, Fascists all use mental health to curtail human rights. Religious people are termed mentally ill these days. Anti-Depressants are prescribed for CHEMO Patients. Where do you live? in a dream world? allowing everyone’s HIPAA info out on the street. Great job. I’ll not be voting for you again.
I have been saying it for years- We need a TEA Party
March on GOP HEADQUARTERS
(it used to be my tagline for like a year)
We have a year and a half to separate the gop from the Tea Party......Let’s get it done!
I am a Pennsylvanian. We won’t be able to do anything about him till 2015. He is safe because we will have all forgotten this by the next primary. He knows this. That is why he can do this without worrying about the consequences.
I’m totally devastated by this. I worked on his first congressional campaign. He was 110% conservative. WTF happens when they become senators?
Remind Toomey that he’s No. 10 on the list of RINO traitors to be ostracized and shipped one-way to North Korea..
Ditto here in Virginia... we have a pair of Stepford senaturds -- Mark Warner and Tim Kaine -- who vote exactly as Obama and the DNC direct.
They start to feel left out of the action when no one extends an invite to the Beltway cocktail parties. From that point, their issue stances begin the "evolving" process.
Ours aren’t any better. Stuart Smalley and The Witless Wonder, Amy Klobuchar — two senators who, if they were any dumber, would have to be watered twice a week.
Sandy Hook Elementary
First, there are already more than 20,000 gun control laws actively on the books today and none of them prevented this tragedy. Second, millions upon million of people in America own guns and 99.9999% of them have never and will never do anything like this.
So, lets lose the hysteria and analyze the facts - a PERSON did this, NOT a hunk of steel. In Portland, a PERSON killed two people in the mall, NOT a hunk of steel! In Denver, a PERSON shot up the theater, NOT a hunk of steel!! In fact, NEVER in the history of violent crime has a weapon been arrested and charged with the crime, it’s always been the PERSON in control of the weapon!!!
NONE of these facts will matter to the gun-grabbing nanny-staters, because they focus solely on the gun and nothing else. So, what happens if ALL guns are outlawed and forcibly collected by the feds? Someone bent on committing mass murder may turn to knives, hatchets, chainsaws or machetes (see Lone Star Community College). So, we outlaw those. The next person to commit a heinous crime may use a bat, poison, poison gas or a semi-tractor. And the one after that may use a car, a pen or pencil, a rock, his hands . . . . . . so when do we blame the PERSON and NOT the inanimate weapon!???
The fact remains that until the left understands that murdering humans by ANY means including their favorite method, abortion, human life will be valueless and more copycats will come out to exercise their demented mass murder of innocent people.
All of that said, it occurs to me that the gun-grabbers are from the leftist school of complete control. What that means is that if 1 person commits a gun crime then, under the leftist theory of the “collective” and “groupthink”, they believe that ALL gun owners will commit mass murder unless they eliminate guns (good luck with that!). So, the calls for more gun control by the left after these incidents is twofold - eliminate the “balance of power” the Founding Fathers so carefully wove into the Constitution and gain total control over the people.
Another part that affects all of this is the fact that laws, whether gun laws, robbery laws, or whatever, are written solely to affect law-abiding citizens. People who commit crimes are called “outlaws” and criminals because they DON’T adhere to the laws created to control or stop their illegal activities.
So, should the left create additional gun control laws, will it prevent the next gun-related crime? Of course not. Laws only affect those of us who obey them. Those who disregard the law won’t be stopped from committing whatever crime they want to commit.
As a final note, Adam Lanza did not own the guns he used to murder all of the people at Sandy Hook Elementary. The existing gun laws worked to prevent him from purchasing a firearm when he attempted to do so only days before. The guns he used were his mother’s guns and they were all legally purchased and registered. Which begs the question, what will any NEW gun control laws accomplish?
And, if “universal Background” checks are good for the law-abiding citizens of this country, why aren’t they satisfactory for the POTUS, members of Congress and SCOTUS nominees??
(Inquiring minds . . . . . . . . )
We don’t need more laws. Any new law will be a step in the direction of a full gun ban.
They get to washington and discover all the lobbyists. They sell their soul.
Freepers don’t just sit there and think..act. Send Toomey an email and post to his Facebook account.
Toomey’s Mailbox is full and his fax number doesn’t answer. If he were really concerned about the little people I would think he would at least have one staff person working in his office this evening.
I also tried to contact his office earlier in the day and received the same “no” response - all of his staff were on other phone lines.
Thank you Lord for Santorum!!!!!! Get rid of that liberal Toomey....perhaps the worst senator in Pennsylvania ever.
Obviously he never was conservative and just pretended to be one during his rise to power.
Worse than Specter? That is why you support Santorum supporting Specter even in the 2010 election?
I can see someone wanting to replace Toomey with someone more conservative, but how can you love Arlen Specter so much?
It is your support for Specter over Toomey that is weird.
Background checks don’t stop criminals from getting guns. Look at the prosecution rates of NICS denials. It’s less than a thousandth of a percent of all the NICS checks.
Well I called the senator's office this afternoon to let him know he has lost the vote of this suburban Philadelphia committeewoman who worked in support of his election.
- Family transfers and some private sales (friends, neighbors, other individuals) are exempt from background checks
just two of the highlights outlined in this pos web release...
id imagine the nuancing of the legalese that the is the actual language would take an army of lawyers, years to figgure out...
FUBO, FUPT ...all kabuki, all the time...
Remind Toomey that hes No. 10 on the list of RINO traitors to be ostracized and shipped one-way to North Korea.
Wouldn't halfway cost less?
I would be delighted to help stop this. Sadly, I am in NY, so there is no point whatsoever in calling them.
PS: I will escape this liberal sewer one day, and that day is coming, soon I hope.
Its being reported that the NRA was in the room and signed off on it.
Also I see the Dem channel is talking like ANY bill that makes it no matter how lame that says ‘gun’ is a huge Obama success.
I don’t think Rick Santorum backed the Democrat Specter in 2010, did he? I know he turned against George Zimmermann in FL without knowing the facts though.
NRA may be nearly useless now; it helped save Reid in 2010 too.
Republican Presidential candidate and former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum has taken heat from Presidential rivals for his 2004 endorsement of Arlen Specter over the more conservative Pat Toomey in the Republican Presidential primary. Santorum has responded that his endorsement was based upon both the electability of Specter in the general election and a promise from the Republican turned Democrat to support Bush judicial nominees.
But 2010 filings to the Federal Election Commission filings show the former Santorum was supporting Specter well after 2004.
2009 FEC filings from Rick Santorums PAC, Americas Foundation, show that Santorum gave $5000 to his former Senate colleague during the critical tidal wave election for Republicans. The donation was made before Specter switched parties. After the switch, Santorums PAC donation was returned by the Specter campaign.
This is a pretty watered down bill that counters most or all of the GOP objections as it looks like the NRA signed off on it(check this) .
I would have loved it if O got completely zero on this but it hasn't been working that way. New worse VAWA is signed into law after the GOP had no watered down version to use to fight it.
The GOP is passing something on these types of things.
My personal view is to save ammunition for the real battle : amnesty and path to citizenship. This is the big one. I am saving my $#%#@ for that and them on that. Give illegals the vote and they lose me completely.