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Highway patrol gave feds Missouri weapon permits data
columbiatribune ^ | 4/10/13 | RUDI KELLER

Posted on 04/10/2013 7:41:39 PM PDT by listenhillary

JEFFERSON CITY – The Missouri State Highway Patrol has twice turned over the entire list of Missouri concealed weapon permit holders to federal authorities, most recently in January, Sen. Kurt Schaefer said Wednesday.

Questioning in the Senate Appropriations Committee revealed that on two occasions, in November 2011 and again in January, the patrol asked for and received the full list from the state Division of Motor Vehicle and Driver Licensing. Schaefer later met in his office with Col. Ron Replogle, superintendent of the patrol.

After the meeting, he said Replogle had given him sketchy details about turning over the list, enough to raise many more questions. Testimony from Department of Revenue officials revealed that the list of 185,000 names had been put online in one instance and given to the patrol on a disc in January.

Schaefer has been investigating a new driver licensing system. He and the committee grilled the revenue officials for several hours in the morning and again at midday before they admitted the list had been copied. The investigation was triggered by fears that concealed weapons data was being shared with federal authorities.

(Excerpt) Read more at columbiatribune.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; govtabuse; guncontrol; gundatabase; gunregistry; missouri; secondamendment; tyranny
Makes you rethink your support for law enforcement.

I'd be happy if some of the cast of characters lost their jobs.

1 posted on 04/10/2013 7:41:39 PM PDT by listenhillary
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To: listenhillary
MO?

Henry Bowman is not pleased.

2 posted on 04/10/2013 7:44:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: listenhillary

Holder has the list now..


3 posted on 04/10/2013 7:44:34 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: cardinal4

Rep Schaefer

“When they turn over the entire list of concealed carry holders in the state of Missouri to the federal government, where is it going?” he said. “I want to know who all was involved in this transaction because if this is just some phone call saying give me the list of all concealed carry holders, how did the person at the patrol who fulfilled that request know who was at the other end of the phone? How did they know where to send it? How did they know what it was being used for?”


4 posted on 04/10/2013 7:46:31 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary
"how did the person at the patrol who fulfilled that request know who was at the other end of the phone? How did they know where to send it? How did they know what it was being used for?”"

Maybe Jack Boots come with a hidden phone and decode ring ala Max Smart?

5 posted on 04/10/2013 7:51:02 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: listenhillary

Color me uninformed, but I thought that it was still currently illegal for the Federal government to create and keep information in a gun registry. Not that this A.G. or Administration give a rats a** about the Constitution or law.


6 posted on 04/10/2013 7:53:15 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

They are breaking several Missouri state laws by sharing the information.


7 posted on 04/10/2013 7:55:13 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: cardinal4

“Holder has the list now..”
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The Obama political operatives also. And they probably have all kinds of other data that was obtained by Social Security matching against a great variety of federal and state records.


8 posted on 04/10/2013 7:56:50 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Mastador1

The patrol responded by confirming that it had shared the list of concealed weapons holders with federal authorities.

“The information was provided to law enforcement for law enforcement investigative purposes,” Capt. Tim Hull wrote in an email response to questions from the Tribune.

Well then, I guess that make it OK to flagrantly violate State law?


9 posted on 04/10/2013 7:57:27 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary

“I’d be happy if some of the cast of characters lost their jobs.”

I would be even happier if a few prominent members of the laws-only-for-little-people crowd found out the hard way that that the law applies to everyone or it applies to no one.


10 posted on 04/10/2013 8:00:50 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: listenhillary

2 points:

1. Don’t get a permit. Why do you need permission? This article shows the end result.

2. No law enforcement will support us.


11 posted on 04/10/2013 8:03:00 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: listenhillary

I’m fairly certain most people have been seriously rethinking support for all levels of law enforcement for many years.

Obviously, we needed to do so.

For those just now waking up and cluing into the problem...welcome to the coming anarchy!


12 posted on 04/10/2013 8:03:10 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: listenhillary

Some years back Missouri passed a law that asset forfeiture money from drug busts would go to the schools, instead of the law enforcement agency that made the bust keeping it. The DEA was helping the Highway Patrol get around that law under some kind of federal asset forfeiture sharing program. The HP would catch the suspected drug dealers, then call the feds to come in and actually make the bust so that it was a federal case. The feds would do the asset forfeiture, then kick part of the proceeds directly back the HP, circumventing the state laws.


13 posted on 04/10/2013 8:03:34 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: listenhillary; All
But, we are all to believe that “universal background checks” that demand a personal firearm information to include serial number, make and model, will never, ever, be used to create a registration list.

Honest. Cross our heart. Really.

After all, Obamacare lowered your premiums and allowed you to keep your policy. Honest.

14 posted on 04/10/2013 8:03:54 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: tacticalogic

As far as I know that little scheme is still going on.


15 posted on 04/10/2013 8:09:38 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: marktwain

Shoot, just yesterday it was reported that the EPA gave personal information on more than EIGHTY THOUSAND farm families to radical environmental organizations.


16 posted on 04/10/2013 8:13:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Life. Liberty. Property. Family. Sovereignty. Security. Borders. The Constitutional Oath.)
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To: listenhillary

I have to wonder about those DEA “Task Force” programs. They partner with state LEO agencies, and the officers are trained and in some cases paid by the federal government. Local badge, federal everything else. Where do their allegiances lie?


17 posted on 04/10/2013 8:14:47 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: listenhillary

Sen. Kurt Schaefer on The Dana Show 4-10-13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt40RyVHozw&feature=player_embedded


18 posted on 04/10/2013 8:21:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: listenhillary

Looks like MO is a Police State.


19 posted on 04/10/2013 8:37:38 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: listenhillary

Hate to make another connection here but these are also the same people who tell us they cannot find illegal aliens to deport them, well that was once the case when the gub’mint pretended to deport, now however, no deportations just awaiting Amnesty (helped out by Rubio and the GOP!)


20 posted on 04/10/2013 9:09:39 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: tacticalogic

I imagine that the HP reported a dramatic decrease in the number of seizures, once they realized they couldn’t get their hands on the money. What a bunch of punks.

As has been stated on this thread. People need to really re-think how they feel about the cops. I am one. And I don’t like ‘em anymore than anyone else.


21 posted on 04/10/2013 9:10:46 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: House Atreides

Data like what prescription meds a CCW is taking, charitable donations, everything. And the GOP wonders why we are so opposed to “expanded background checks”. It is almost akin to tattoo’d numbers on our underarms..(if I may wax a tad dramatic..)


22 posted on 04/10/2013 9:16:06 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: listenhillary
Looks like the new tactic is to cross reference a firearms ownership database with your medical records and confiscate firearms from anyone treated for "mental illness" or prescribed certain medications.

Ever been treated for depression after the death of a loved on, serious accident, divorce? Ever have insomnia, an eating disorder, fear of flying, stress from work or a family situation?

On medication for management of chronic pain?

Doesn't matter that the database is illegal or that your medical records are protected, it's for the children.

This is for real FReepers.

23 posted on 04/10/2013 9:20:44 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: listenhillary

And, oh yeah, ever been treated for a substance abuse problem?


24 posted on 04/10/2013 10:07:33 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: sarasmom

I’ve never believed local LEO will stand with the people. They have an “us vs them” mentality. And most of them are on a power trip.

Plus, they would all love to work for the feds. So, if the feds ask for some more firepower, they can’t wait to volunteer. And they don’t ask the feds for documentation.


25 posted on 04/10/2013 10:17:33 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks for the heads up on the EPA, had heard about the Missouri Hwy Patrol on Dana Show.


26 posted on 04/10/2013 10:45:34 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: listenhillary

For all you suckers who don’t believe that Big Brother is watching you - he is.


27 posted on 04/11/2013 2:17:31 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: listenhillary

See, that proves we don’t need federal data. The states will do it for them. /s


28 posted on 04/11/2013 2:53:02 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: AlmaKing

Bingo.


29 posted on 04/11/2013 4:27:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: qaz123

Conservatives should have never put members of one profession on a pedestal in the first place.

Sadly, we are reaping the rewards of decades of near-blind support.

Hopefully there are still more peace officers who will stand with us, than there are LEOs who will happily turn over our information to others in government.


30 posted on 04/11/2013 4:39:53 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: listenhillary

This is why no conservative should have blindly supported law enforcement to begin with.

For the same reason that no parent should blindly say “Little Johnny or little Susie would NEVER _________________ “.

Once Little Johnny or Little Susie learn they can Do No Wrong, they no longer fear repercussions for doing great wrong.


31 posted on 04/11/2013 5:12:16 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: theBuckwheat

“I’d be happy if some of the cast of characters lost their jobs.”

“I would be even happier if a few prominent members of the laws-only-for-little-people crowd found out the hard way that that the law applies to everyone or it applies to no one.”

Agreed.


32 posted on 04/11/2013 7:07:49 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Travis McGee; LucyT

I wonder how the MSP would feel if their names and addresses were publicized?


33 posted on 04/11/2013 7:34:33 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: listenhillary

jerks.


34 posted on 04/11/2013 9:32:53 AM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: VerySadAmerican
A lot of that has to do with who you define as “us”, and how LEOs define “themselves”.

At my age, and having grown up outside city limits, a local cop was the person you called in as a last resort, when you didn't want a specific situation to get out of hand, or when you saw that it already had.
Most people are generally law abiding citizens and have no love of vigilante justice.

That has changed over the years, and the justice system has been perverted at basic levels.

Some people think it is a mark of pride to avoid jury duty.Some people think it is the job of a publically appointed defense lawyer to halt a conviction of the crime they are guilty of committing. There is a case in Colorado you may have heard of...shooter apprehended by police outside a movie theater after he killed multiple people.
He admitted he was the shooter. He admitted he wanted to kill even more people, and told the cops his apartment was booby trapped to take out even more.
But we are all supposed to pretend to presume him entirely innocent of his crimes, and treat him as if he is merely “alleged” to be the mass murderor, while the legal case against him slowly works it way through the court system.
All the cops and everyone who knows any details are forbidden by a judge to talk openly to the public about the “incident”.
Lest his right to a “fair trial” be tainted by reports of the truth of what happened.
Is that justice?

How do you think the cops who had to deal with him feel now?

Who's side are you on?

35 posted on 04/11/2013 5:17:16 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: sarasmom

I’m on the side of the constitution. And I doubt very many cops have ever looked at it. And that’s scary.

Ever hear of a guy named Kenneth Wayne McDuff. He got the death penalty for raping, torturing then killing three teens. One of them was a boy and he raped him with a broom stick.

But some judge ruled the death penalty was unconstitutional and his sentence was changed to life. He got parolled after 20 years. Two federal marshalls in Waco called every surrounding county sheriff and told them if any women came up missing, look for McDuff. Bottom line he raped, tortured and killed 4 more women before they finally caught him. After about ten years he was finally excuted.

What should have happened? First of all, he should have been executed for the first murders. Since that didn’t happen, for the second murders there was a witness on one of them. He should have been hanged in the public square for being found guilty for the first murders.

I don’t like seeing innocent people executed. And that includes the innocent people McDuff and the theater shooter killed.


36 posted on 04/11/2013 8:42:31 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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