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Fifth-graders grill college students on Constitution
The Gazette ^ | Carol McGraw

Posted on 04/10/2013 9:15:02 PM PDT by Up Yours Marxists

Stephen Schaetzle, college student and Navy reservist didn’t know what was in store early Wednesdaywhen the little kid in a red Liberty Day t-shirt with Betsy Ross flag on the back, asked for a minute of his time.

A good sport, he submitted to being politely grilled on the Constitution by Claire Byrnes, fifth grader.

It didn’t go so well.

“I haven’t a clue,” Schaetzle replied when she asked what the requirements are to be a U.S. Congressman.

Sympathetically, she handed him a mini-version of the Constitution and asked him to read the answer: be at least 25 years of age, a citizen seven years prior to election, and resident of the state

After his recital, Schaetzle joked: “It’s a long day already.”

(Excerpt) Read more at gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: constitution; government; youth
Go get 'em kids! Who says the young generation is totally lost...
1 posted on 04/10/2013 9:15:02 PM PDT by Up Yours Marxists
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To: Up Yours Marxists

It’s g-damn rocket science.

When I was in 8th grade (I’m 29 so not that long ago) everyone had to take and pass a constitution test or else they didn’t graduate elementary school.

Why can’t these chumps retain information? Too much dope?


2 posted on 04/10/2013 9:21:28 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

Outstanding!

Does anybody know if reciting the pledge of allegiance is a daily requirement in schools today?


3 posted on 04/10/2013 9:28:25 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: Up Yours Marxists
Now can we sic the 5th graders on Congress.
4 posted on 04/10/2013 9:31:40 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: Impy

I mean it’s NOT rocket science.

Like proofreading, which is.


5 posted on 04/10/2013 9:50:46 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

This is pointless and meaningless. The kids probably just finished studying the Constitution whereas the college students hadn’t. Under those circumstances, the kids will always do well. Doesn’t mean they actually know or understand what they studied, only that they got the questions that were on the test!


6 posted on 04/10/2013 9:52:24 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: Impy

They are not smarter than a 5th grader. We had similar work in 8th grade.


7 posted on 04/10/2013 9:54:52 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: DustyMoment

Agreed. Let’s see how they do on LaPlace and Fourier transforms.


8 posted on 04/10/2013 10:03:42 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: DustyMoment

“This is pointless and meaningless. The kids probably just finished studying the Constitution whereas the college students hadn’t.”

When I swore my oath to defend it, I decided I’d study what I was defending. Same thing with driving and the laws of the road. Even before that I knew the Constitution prior to going into college. I guess I’m old school.

Most people in this country think they don’t have to know the law, even when it affects them EVERY SINGLE day. How foolish. There’s no latitude in ignorance of the law, and nobody’s gonna force you out of that ignorance. The judge ain’t gonna tell you “it’s OK...you’re a slobbering idiot” when sentencing time comes.


9 posted on 04/10/2013 11:38:36 PM PDT by Up Yours Marxists
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To: Impy

I didn’t have anything like that, but then I went to NYC public schools.


10 posted on 04/11/2013 12:02:46 AM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists
I too have sworn to defend it. I used to pack a pocket sized copy, but since I have put an app on my iPad. Its a very good tool which also comes complete with the Federalist Papers.
11 posted on 04/11/2013 12:40:46 AM PDT by TheGunny
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To: DustyMoment

“This is pointless and meaningless.”

No it isn’t. Only next time, ask these questions of some congressmen. I’d bet money they wouldn’t do as well as the college students.


12 posted on 04/11/2013 1:17:43 AM PDT by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

Even the writer got the president requirements wrong. The president must be a natural born citizen, not “born in the US”. If being born in the US was all that was required, an anchor baby could be elected president. Both parents must be US citizens. I guess they didn’t want to pull the scab off with Obama still in office.


13 posted on 04/11/2013 1:25:01 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Up Yours Marxists

That is a fair point, however, there is another factor here.

As Bill Whittle pointed out in his virtual inaugural address, this country has become so glutted with laws, rules, regulations, legislations and so on that it is nearly impossible to unknowingly be in violation of some law.

I believe Bill Whittle is 100% right. And I do believe that it is not wholly unintentional, either.

Still, people should have at least an understanding of the Constitution, its construction and major parts. I am not sure that I would get some of the fine detail, but I can discuss the various components and provide some historical context for the reasons those components exist.


14 posted on 04/11/2013 3:44:51 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: rlmorel

I meant to say: “...it is nearly impossible to NOT unknowingly be in violation of some law...”


15 posted on 04/11/2013 3:46:04 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: TheGunny

I have the same thing. It is a great thing to have at your fingertips.


16 posted on 04/11/2013 3:48:21 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Up Yours Marxists

The biggest qualification to being a Congress man is a desire to live a life of luxury by sucking off the governmet tit.

It helps if you are a lawyer with a failed practice.


17 posted on 04/11/2013 4:04:41 AM PDT by Venturer
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Not apologizing for these college dummies but 2 years ago, I had to relearn some elementary math to help my daughter with home work. I forgot how to divide fractions for example. Don’t quiz me on grammar or especially the appropriate place for commas either.

It’s been well over 50 years since I first learned that stuff and haven’t had a need to divide fractions in all that time. These college students are not that far removed from learning the Constitution.


18 posted on 04/11/2013 4:57:36 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Up Yours Marxists
Most people in this country think they don’t have to know the law, even when it affects them EVERY SINGLE day. How foolish. There’s no latitude in ignorance of the law, and nobody’s gonna force you out of that ignorance.

Knowing the law is not the same thing as being able to quote the Constitution. I studied the Constitution as a kid and went back and re-read it as an adult in preparation for teaching it to an ESL class. I still couldn't accurately quote salient passages of the Constitution today because I don't use that information on a regular basis so it isn't fresh.

Let me give you an example - Can you diagram a sentence? Surely you learned how to do that by the 5th grade, but I would bet that anyone who doesn't diagram sentences as an adult (such as a teacher) could do it today. That's the substance of all these "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?" nonsense. A 5th grader who just finished studying something is more than likely going to understand or know the topic better than an adult who hasn't just finished studying it and is more concerned with bills, job, kids, etc.

Any number of scientific studies have proven that information we learned at some point in our lives that isn't used on a regular basis fades away. That's simply how our brains work. So, yes, this is pointless and meaningles. It is designed to make us think that children who are learning less in school today than I did when I attended school are actually smarter. It's a red herring!

19 posted on 04/11/2013 10:53:46 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: EEGator
Agreed. Let’s see how they do on LaPlace and Fourier transforms.

LOL!! Dude, you're tough!! But I agree with you.

20 posted on 04/11/2013 10:57:30 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: beelzepug

I studied the Constitution as a kid and went back and re-read it as an adult in preparation for teaching it to an ESL class. I still couldn’t accurately quote salient passages of the Constitution today because I don’t use that information on a regular basis so it isn’t fresh.

Let me give you an example - Can you diagram a sentence? Surely you learned how to do that by the 5th grade, but I would bet that anyone who doesn’t diagram sentences as an adult (such as a teacher) could do it today. That’s the substance of all these “Are you smarter than a 5th grader?” nonsense. A 5th grader who just finished studying something is more than likely going to understand or know the topic better than an adult who hasn’t just finished studying it and is more concerned with bills, job, kids, etc.

Any number of scientific studies have proven that information we learned at some point in our lives that isn’t used on a regular basis fades away. That’s simply how our brains work. So, yes, this is pointless and meaningles. It is designed to make us think that children who are learning less in school today than I did when I attended school are actually smarter. It’s a red herring!

With respect to asking a Congressman these questions, I agree because the Constitution is what they are practicing and they had BETTER know it!! That’s what their job is based on!!!


21 posted on 04/11/2013 11:04:51 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Not to mention the 5th graders may not even truly comprehend the meaning. There’s no point in parroting things you don’t comprehend. I think a High School level History class you return to the subject, and get in depth on the Constitution.


22 posted on 04/11/2013 12:02:33 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: wastedyears

Well I went to Chicago Public Schools.

It was one the best ranked grade schools in the city. The level of education still sucked but you did have to pass that test to graduate, it was state law.


23 posted on 04/11/2013 11:39:47 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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