Skip to comments.Missouri Highway Patrol gave complete CCW permit list to Social Security Administration.
Posted on 04/11/2013 5:51:38 AM PDT by yldstrk
Apparently the Missouri Department of Revenue keeps the list of all CCW permit holders and marks their driver license with a special indicator. Mo Highway Patrol requested a list of all and twice provided it to Social Security Administration.
Virginia does the same. If you have a CCW and get pulled by the police, they will ask if you are packing and run the gun to make sure it is legal (not stolen)
Yes, on an individual basis. Here, they grabbed the entire list and turned it over to the Feds. Why?
Heads need to roll in the Missouri Highway Patrol.
Write to your state governor and ask if he has received similar requests from the Feds and if he complied!
This is why so-called “Constitutional Carry” is the only way to go. No permits, no lists.
That goes beyond “officer safety”. It is an illegal search IMO. Do they ask if you have a stereo in the car and check the reported serial numbers for theft reports too? How about your clothing tags? Whoa, let’s check the tires too.
You are correct.
A good house cleaning is needed.
Agree wholeheartedly. CCP = road map to your front door.
oh sorry, I never post anything and didn’t realize you already did it. I think it is so outrageous, why on earth would Social Security need to know. Glad you spotted this and put it up, sorry to bore everyone with a second posting.
SSA? Read OBAMACARE into that one.
I bet this was some kind of agreement between some IG office in SSA and the Missouri HP. See we got these cop wannabees in all these government agencies now. They trade info. More than likely the state revenue agency told them to take a hike so they end ran them through the highway patrol. My guess is this info did not end up with SSA either, it was probably passed onto ATF or DOJ for some nefarious matching program.
Another in a long list of arguments for why we need far less than more record keeping, especially at the federal level. The Feds have no legal legitimate reason for acquiring this info.
not boring me, I never caught the first posting
I’ll bet almost every state that issues permits has provided just such a list. If I had a tinfoil hat I’d wonder if the whole purpose of permits was to assemble a confiscation list
I don’t freak out when people post duplicate articles. This needs to get spread far and wide and the more people that see it and get pissed off, the better.
It’s just good to link the articles IMO.
I completely agree this needs to get spread far and wide, this is outrageous
They should do that in the hood, too.
The very first question from the agent asked was: " Mr. Xxxx, are you carrying your weapon today?" Canadian customs obviously had access to his Michigan CCW data, and would have gotten it from the US.
Missouri state law forbids them to share this data.
i fully support this lawsuit; hope it catches on
It may be SOP for all I know, but it is illegal
Headline is up on Drudge.
Silly you. Nothing the Democrats do is illegal!
The more distribution the better.
The premise here is what? How would someone get a CCW if they had a felony record? Hardly, not the reason. Whether they had some kind of mental disorder? What kind of such records does SSA have to show that, so obviously not a valid reason either. It is a way the feds had to garner this info for some nefarious purpose i.e. using it for some political purpose to support their gun control agenda? YES, someone was told to put together a program and use their law enforcement contacts to end run civil procedures. So, out trots an IG agent with SSA with a request for law enforcement info to his pal over at the Highway Patrol, after probably having been told to stick his request to the revenue department us his wazoo. Now if the IG SSA is using its authorities under medicare to peer down into medical records on individuals to match this data, I think there is a prima facia case for illegal tampering with medical records under privacy laws. I hope someone at the state level has the fortitude to stick this up their backsides. This is an egrious misuse of authority.
And the social security admin needs this why?
How the individual states deal with CCW permits is the choice of the states.
The Feds have no right or justification for collecting information identifying gun owners. This is the crux of the argument against expanded Federal gun control. They never obey their own laws. If there is a list of gun owners they will break the letter and spitit of the law to obtain it.
Every time we say we are concerned with the Feds collecting lists of gun owners we get ridiculed and called extremists.
But when it happens, repeatedly, the violation of our rights and the hypocrisy of the Feds is ignored.
Don’t believe this. Been stopped 3 times with my CCW, and they NEVER ASKED if I was carrying. VA law requires that the first words out of my mouth when stopped and carrying are, “Officer, I have a CCW and am carrying.”
Every time I was stopped, the officer said, “That’s fine - I don’t need to see it.”
NEVER did the officer ask to see the weapon and run a check on the weapon. NEVER.
In fact, the one thing the DON’T want is you reaching for your weapon! They perceive that as a threat - and you are risking getting shot by doing so. LEO friends have told me this.
And, to add, Virginia law as of last year allows anyone to carry a concealed weapon in their glove compartment or console. No CCW needed. And while a CCW carrier is required to notify the officer, a LEO told me that non-CCW carrier who has a weapon is not required to notify that he/she has a concealed weapon in the vehicle.
On one stop I did not have a weapon in the car. When I handed the officer my DL, he saw my CCW - and then asked, “I see your CCW there - are you carrying?” “No, sir. If I had been carrying, law would have required me to notify you immediately.” He smiled.
I agree. Part of the universal Marxist plan to get the good guys first and disarm them - and let the criminals go free.......
Wow. Even Massachusetts doesn't do this. We carry a separate LTC and are told that it is best to volunteer info that we are carrying...if we are.
Don't take offense at this please as none is intended. They have you trained very well. Our founders would be shaking their heads in disbelief. You sure manage to get stopped a lot.
Here, they grabbed the entire list and turned it over to the Feds. Why?
Silly question, yldstrk! Because the really important people in Washington, D.C. asked for it!
Thanks for posting. I missed the earlier post.
Drudge had this about five headlines down just a few minutes ago, but now it’s at the top of column one.
Looks like the Feds are building an illegal registration list by hook or by crook. I’d bet they’ll do this in every blue state they can shake down.
It needs to be on top, don’t you think? Completely outrageous
My permit tells them I have A gun; anything else is yet to be discovered. I’m thinking if burying 100, 3-foot pieces of scrap steel on the six acres I own just to keep them busy. Of course sowing the fields with handfuls of nails, screws and other scrap might be fun too.
Let’s face it.
A behemoth, leviathan, central government like ours - infiltrated by statists of a tyrannical mindset reminiscent of Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Red China, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, etc, etc, etc - will do what such people have always done: register guns, confiscate guns, and then practice genocidal mass murders on their own people.
Historically, centralized governments are by far the greatest mass murderers of their citizens, with body counts in the hundreds of millions in the past century.
The Locals, States and especially the Feds seem merely jealous of these little rogue murderers in Aurora and Sandy Hook and such, but take advantage of the tragedies to prepare for the day when they get their own turn.
It is up to the states to resist these fishing expeditions. I sent off a letter to our governor about this issue, hopefully, it will have some affect.
The problem goes beyond the instant issue. There are so many of these cop wannabees and so many with broad authorities at the federal level looking behind every tree for any apparent or imagined problem to make us all felons. The Nazi’s used to have people on every block, named Gliters (sp?), aka blockwatchers. We have the same here now except they work for the imperial federal government. Drones, wiretaps without warrant, e mail purusols, garbage can sweeps etc, all out there looking for the criminals or if they cannot find one, just plant some kind of evidence and we have a crime. When they get this gun control thing up and running and given how many people own firearms there will be a plethora of new felons to prey upon: Those who own guns and don’t register them, those who own guns and take a certain BP med like a beta blocker, those who have more than two boxes of ammo at home. Wow, we can lock up the whole bunch of them or better still, force them to admit to a felony, sieze their guns, and fine them a fortune. The dark days of america have arrived.
Have some real fun, put down some bouncing betties.
Now that’s going to entail some serious paperwork
It’s up to the cop what to do but your computer file is flagged with a CCW. I took the CCW class and the cop said he always ran serial numbers.
I think it needs to be at the top of the page with a siren, but that’s just me.
..VA law requires that the first words out of my mouth etc etc etc..
Not quite...I will inform the officer if in a ‘friendly state’, but VA does NOT require you to.
Think TN is the closest state that has it in its statute that you must inform.
FROM the Virginia State Police web site
In the instance of a traffic stop, should I advise the police officer that I have a concealed handgun permit?
Virginia law does not require you to notify the officer that you have a permit. However, Section 18.2-308, of the Code of Virginia, requires you to be in possession of the permit whenever you are carrying a concealed handgun and to display the permit and a government-issued photo-identification upon demand by a law-enforcement officer.
I understand that VA informs the officer that the ‘tag holder’ has a permit but they can’t really give a straight answer as to out of state info that is provided on first check.
I ‘worry’ more in ‘UNFRIENDLY’ states that the data will show up on a ‘regular’ traffic stop, as ‘they’ can always come up with something to warrant a ‘search’ if they desire.
The old ‘drug sniffing’ dog is a goody, especially when they ‘hit’ on a vehicle that has NEVER had drugs in it, gives the LEO the right to check, then issue and apology and “Ain’t never seen Rex do that before”, course a good, expensive mouth piece could probably argue your case but I don’t trust the judges, juries etc anymore...
After all, when ‘common folk, MY PEERS’ manage to elect that bunch of misfits to office no telling what they would do to a Conservative Veteran, ‘illegally’ carrying a weapon in their territory.
I have been a police officer for 22 yrs. No officer I know of has ever asked to see or run a firearm just because they are a registered concealed permit holder. All it does is give me a heads up that a weapon may be in the car. Hell, most of the time they tell me they have it...never had an issue.
Whoever expects the two headed beast to play by rules is deluded. We the (common) people have all been ensnared by the elite and are in their sights. When the dollar crashes soon, thanks to welfare & warfare, God help us because that will be “the balloon going up”. Google and watch “Large widespread cutoff of supply chains coming” by Jim Willie. Sun Tzu advised his generals to never attack an enemy with “his back to the wall”; that’s us, but be wise as serpents yet fight like angry dogs. Jesus said to flee to the mountains when you see an army surrounding you; right now, the beast is like a python and I feel it’s cold coils.
My buddy used washers, they do not puncture tires. He threw thousands of them all over his land.