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Missouri Highway Patrol gave complete CCW permit list to Social Security Administration.
Columbia Daily Tribune ^ | April 10, 2013 | Rudy Keller

Posted on 04/11/2013 5:51:38 AM PDT by yldstrk

Apparently the Missouri Department of Revenue keeps the list of all CCW permit holders and marks their driver license with a special indicator. Mo Highway Patrol requested a list of all and twice provided it to Social Security Administration.


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1 posted on 04/11/2013 5:51:38 AM PDT by yldstrk
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To: yldstrk

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/highway-patrol-gave-feds-missouri-weapon-permits-data/article_266b644e-a235-11e2-a8e7-0019bb30f31a.html


2 posted on 04/11/2013 5:52:16 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Virginia does the same. If you have a CCW and get pulled by the police, they will ask if you are packing and run the gun to make sure it is legal (not stolen)


3 posted on 04/11/2013 5:54:50 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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4 posted on 04/11/2013 5:56:39 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: AppyPappy

Yes, on an individual basis. Here, they grabbed the entire list and turned it over to the Feds. Why?


5 posted on 04/11/2013 5:59:38 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
Setting us all up for persecution.

Heads need to roll in the Missouri Highway Patrol.

6 posted on 04/11/2013 6:01:40 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: AppyPappy
Does Virginia pass the info to the Feds?

Write to your state governor and ask if he has received similar requests from the Feds and if he complied!

7 posted on 04/11/2013 6:01:48 AM PDT by Jumpmaster (Mitt said he will put America back to work. 53% said "Screw that"!)
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To: yldstrk

This is why so-called “Constitutional Carry” is the only way to go. No permits, no lists.


8 posted on 04/11/2013 6:03:32 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: AppyPappy

That goes beyond “officer safety”. It is an illegal search IMO. Do they ask if you have a stereo in the car and check the reported serial numbers for theft reports too? How about your clothing tags? Whoa, let’s check the tires too.


9 posted on 04/11/2013 6:04:27 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Redleg Duke

You are correct.
A good house cleaning is needed.


10 posted on 04/11/2013 6:04:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Agree wholeheartedly. CCP = road map to your front door.


11 posted on 04/11/2013 6:04:57 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: yldstrk

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3006490/posts


12 posted on 04/11/2013 6:06:10 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary

oh sorry, I never post anything and didn’t realize you already did it. I think it is so outrageous, why on earth would Social Security need to know. Glad you spotted this and put it up, sorry to bore everyone with a second posting.


13 posted on 04/11/2013 6:09:25 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

SSA? Read OBAMACARE into that one.

I bet this was some kind of agreement between some IG office in SSA and the Missouri HP. See we got these cop wannabees in all these government agencies now. They trade info. More than likely the state revenue agency told them to take a hike so they end ran them through the highway patrol. My guess is this info did not end up with SSA either, it was probably passed onto ATF or DOJ for some nefarious matching program.

Another in a long list of arguments for why we need far less than more record keeping, especially at the federal level. The Feds have no legal legitimate reason for acquiring this info.


14 posted on 04/11/2013 6:10:32 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: yldstrk

not boring me, I never caught the first posting


15 posted on 04/11/2013 6:12:30 AM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: yldstrk

I’ll bet almost every state that issues permits has provided just such a list. If I had a tinfoil hat I’d wonder if the whole purpose of permits was to assemble a confiscation list


16 posted on 04/11/2013 6:13:35 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: yldstrk

I don’t freak out when people post duplicate articles. This needs to get spread far and wide and the more people that see it and get pissed off, the better.

It’s just good to link the articles IMO.


17 posted on 04/11/2013 6:13:44 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary

I completely agree this needs to get spread far and wide, this is outrageous


18 posted on 04/11/2013 6:14:35 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: AppyPappy

They should do that in the hood, too.


19 posted on 04/11/2013 6:16:32 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: yldstrk

Related

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/05/missouri-dept-of-revenue-compiling-data-on-concealed-carry-holders-and-forwarding-it-to-company-with-ties-to-government-lawsuit-alleges/


20 posted on 04/11/2013 6:17:12 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: yldstrk
I'm not sure this is unusual. I have a friend with a Michigan CCW permit. One day while traveling into Canada, he stopped at the Canadian customs booth. The booth has cameras to read license plate numbers before the vehicle arrives.

The very first question from the agent asked was: " Mr. Xxxx, are you carrying your weapon today?" Canadian customs obviously had access to his Michigan CCW data, and would have gotten it from the US.

21 posted on 04/11/2013 6:18:27 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Missouri state law forbids them to share this data.


22 posted on 04/11/2013 6:19:55 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary

i fully support this lawsuit; hope it catches on


23 posted on 04/11/2013 6:20:12 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: norwaypinesavage

It may be SOP for all I know, but it is illegal


24 posted on 04/11/2013 6:22:05 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Headline is up on Drudge.


25 posted on 04/11/2013 6:25:32 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: All

Silly you. Nothing the Democrats do is illegal!


26 posted on 04/11/2013 6:25:58 AM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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To: muir_redwoods

The more distribution the better.

The premise here is what? How would someone get a CCW if they had a felony record? Hardly, not the reason. Whether they had some kind of mental disorder? What kind of such records does SSA have to show that, so obviously not a valid reason either. It is a way the feds had to garner this info for some nefarious purpose i.e. using it for some political purpose to support their gun control agenda? YES, someone was told to put together a program and use their law enforcement contacts to end run civil procedures. So, out trots an IG agent with SSA with a request for law enforcement info to his pal over at the Highway Patrol, after probably having been told to stick his request to the revenue department us his wazoo. Now if the IG SSA is using its authorities under medicare to peer down into medical records on individuals to match this data, I think there is a prima facia case for illegal tampering with medical records under privacy laws. I hope someone at the state level has the fortitude to stick this up their backsides. This is an egrious misuse of authority.


27 posted on 04/11/2013 6:26:27 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: listenhillary

Good!


28 posted on 04/11/2013 6:28:26 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

And the social security admin needs this why?


29 posted on 04/11/2013 6:28:47 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: AppyPappy

How the individual states deal with CCW permits is the choice of the states.

The Feds have no right or justification for collecting information identifying gun owners. This is the crux of the argument against expanded Federal gun control. They never obey their own laws. If there is a list of gun owners they will break the letter and spitit of the law to obtain it.

Every time we say we are concerned with the Feds collecting lists of gun owners we get ridiculed and called extremists.

But when it happens, repeatedly, the violation of our rights and the hypocrisy of the Feds is ignored.


30 posted on 04/11/2013 6:28:49 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: AppyPappy

Don’t believe this. Been stopped 3 times with my CCW, and they NEVER ASKED if I was carrying. VA law requires that the first words out of my mouth when stopped and carrying are, “Officer, I have a CCW and am carrying.”

Every time I was stopped, the officer said, “That’s fine - I don’t need to see it.”

NEVER did the officer ask to see the weapon and run a check on the weapon. NEVER.

In fact, the one thing the DON’T want is you reaching for your weapon! They perceive that as a threat - and you are risking getting shot by doing so. LEO friends have told me this.

And, to add, Virginia law as of last year allows anyone to carry a concealed weapon in their glove compartment or console. No CCW needed. And while a CCW carrier is required to notify the officer, a LEO told me that non-CCW carrier who has a weapon is not required to notify that he/she has a concealed weapon in the vehicle.

On one stop I did not have a weapon in the car. When I handed the officer my DL, he saw my CCW - and then asked, “I see your CCW there - are you carrying?” “No, sir. If I had been carrying, law would have required me to notify you immediately.” He smiled.


31 posted on 04/11/2013 6:33:32 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I agree. Part of the universal Marxist plan to get the good guys first and disarm them - and let the criminals go free.......


32 posted on 04/11/2013 6:34:49 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: Jumpmaster
"Does Virginia pass the info to the Feds?" At least indirectly. When I was pulled over by a Pentagon Protective Service cop a couple of years ago, he asked if I was carrying immediately. The only place he could have gotten the knowledge is in the VSP database. TC
33 posted on 04/11/2013 6:35:41 AM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: AppyPappy
If you have a CCW and get pulled by the police, they will ask if you are packing and run the gun to make sure it is legal (not stolen)

Wow. Even Massachusetts doesn't do this. We carry a separate LTC and are told that it is best to volunteer info that we are carrying...if we are.

34 posted on 04/11/2013 6:36:04 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Arlis
On one stop I did not have a weapon in the car. When I handed the officer my DL, he saw my CCW - and then asked, “I see your CCW there - are you carrying?” “No, sir. If I had been carrying, law would have required me to notify you immediately.” He smiled.

Don't take offense at this please as none is intended. They have you trained very well. Our founders would be shaking their heads in disbelief. You sure manage to get stopped a lot.

35 posted on 04/11/2013 6:38:16 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: yldstrk
Here, they grabbed the entire list and turned it over to the Feds. Why?

Silly question, yldstrk! Because the really important people in Washington, D.C. asked for it!

36 posted on 04/11/2013 6:42:02 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: yldstrk

Thanks for posting. I missed the earlier post.

Drudge had this about five headlines down just a few minutes ago, but now it’s at the top of column one.


37 posted on 04/11/2013 6:43:41 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Mouton

Looks like the Feds are building an illegal registration list by hook or by crook. I’d bet they’ll do this in every blue state they can shake down.


38 posted on 04/11/2013 6:43:52 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Excellence

It needs to be on top, don’t you think? Completely outrageous


39 posted on 04/11/2013 6:45:05 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Arlis; Mouton

My permit tells them I have A gun; anything else is yet to be discovered. I’m thinking if burying 100, 3-foot pieces of scrap steel on the six acres I own just to keep them busy. Of course sowing the fields with handfuls of nails, screws and other scrap might be fun too.


40 posted on 04/11/2013 6:47:07 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Iron Munro

Let’s face it.

A behemoth, leviathan, central government like ours - infiltrated by statists of a tyrannical mindset reminiscent of Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Red China, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, etc, etc, etc - will do what such people have always done: register guns, confiscate guns, and then practice genocidal mass murders on their own people.

Historically, centralized governments are by far the greatest mass murderers of their citizens, with body counts in the hundreds of millions in the past century.

The Locals, States and especially the Feds seem merely jealous of these little rogue murderers in Aurora and Sandy Hook and such, but take advantage of the tragedies to prepare for the day when they get their own turn.


41 posted on 04/11/2013 6:53:42 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Carry_Okie

It is up to the states to resist these fishing expeditions. I sent off a letter to our governor about this issue, hopefully, it will have some affect.

The problem goes beyond the instant issue. There are so many of these cop wannabees and so many with broad authorities at the federal level looking behind every tree for any apparent or imagined problem to make us all felons. The Nazi’s used to have people on every block, named Gliters (sp?), aka blockwatchers. We have the same here now except they work for the imperial federal government. Drones, wiretaps without warrant, e mail purusols, garbage can sweeps etc, all out there looking for the criminals or if they cannot find one, just plant some kind of evidence and we have a crime. When they get this gun control thing up and running and given how many people own firearms there will be a plethora of new felons to prey upon: Those who own guns and don’t register them, those who own guns and take a certain BP med like a beta blocker, those who have more than two boxes of ammo at home. Wow, we can lock up the whole bunch of them or better still, force them to admit to a felony, sieze their guns, and fine them a fortune. The dark days of america have arrived.


42 posted on 04/11/2013 6:54:18 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: muir_redwoods

Have some real fun, put down some bouncing betties.


43 posted on 04/11/2013 6:56:24 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Mouton

Now that’s going to entail some serious paperwork


44 posted on 04/11/2013 6:58:15 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

It’s up to the cop what to do but your computer file is flagged with a CCW. I took the CCW class and the cop said he always ran serial numbers.


45 posted on 04/11/2013 7:03:00 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: yldstrk

I think it needs to be at the top of the page with a siren, but that’s just me.


46 posted on 04/11/2013 7:04:16 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Arlis

..VA law requires that the first words out of my mouth etc etc etc..


Not quite...I will inform the officer if in a ‘friendly state’, but VA does NOT require you to.
Think TN is the closest state that has it in its statute that you must inform.

FROM the Virginia State Police web site

In the instance of a traffic stop, should I advise the police officer that I have a concealed handgun permit?
Virginia law does not require you to notify the officer that you have a permit. However, Section 18.2-308, of the Code of Virginia, requires you to be in possession of the permit whenever you are carrying a concealed handgun and to display the permit and a government-issued photo-identification upon demand by a law-enforcement officer.

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm#FAQ

I understand that VA informs the officer that the ‘tag holder’ has a permit but they can’t really give a straight answer as to out of state info that is provided on first check.

I ‘worry’ more in ‘UNFRIENDLY’ states that the data will show up on a ‘regular’ traffic stop, as ‘they’ can always come up with something to warrant a ‘search’ if they desire.
The old ‘drug sniffing’ dog is a goody, especially when they ‘hit’ on a vehicle that has NEVER had drugs in it, gives the LEO the right to check, then issue and apology and “Ain’t never seen Rex do that before”, course a good, expensive mouth piece could probably argue your case but I don’t trust the judges, juries etc anymore...
After all, when ‘common folk, MY PEERS’ manage to elect that bunch of misfits to office no telling what they would do to a Conservative Veteran, ‘illegally’ carrying a weapon in their territory.


47 posted on 04/11/2013 7:06:53 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: Mouton

I have been a police officer for 22 yrs. No officer I know of has ever asked to see or run a firearm just because they are a registered concealed permit holder. All it does is give me a heads up that a weapon may be in the car. Hell, most of the time they tell me they have it...never had an issue.


48 posted on 04/11/2013 7:10:58 AM PDT by bike800
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To: All

Whoever expects the two headed beast to play by rules is deluded. We the (common) people have all been ensnared by the elite and are in their sights. When the dollar crashes soon, thanks to welfare & warfare, God help us because that will be “the balloon going up”. Google and watch “Large widespread cutoff of supply chains coming” by Jim Willie. Sun Tzu advised his generals to never attack an enemy with “his back to the wall”; that’s us, but be wise as serpents yet fight like angry dogs. Jesus said to flee to the mountains when you see an army surrounding you; right now, the beast is like a python and I feel it’s cold coils.


49 posted on 04/11/2013 7:16:23 AM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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To: muir_redwoods

My buddy used washers, they do not puncture tires. He threw thousands of them all over his land.


50 posted on 04/11/2013 7:20:33 AM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of a 9 yr old son with Down Syndrome and fighting to keep him off Obama's death panels.)
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