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Senate agrees to open gun-control debate
Reuters ^ | Apr. 11, 2013 | John Whitesides and David Lawder

Posted on 04/11/2013 8:54:43 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

The Senate cleared the way on Thursday for an emotional, weeks-long debate on proposals to curb gun violence, rejecting an effort by conservative Republicans to block consideration of gun-control legislation prompted by December's Connecticut elementary school massacre.

The Senate voted 68-31 to open debate on President Barack Obama's proposals to expand background checks for gun buyers, tighten restrictions on gun trafficking and increase funding for school security.

The legislation still faces many hurdles, including a weeks-long debate in the Senate featuring many amendments that could make the bill unacceptable to senators who now support it.

No major gun legislation has passed the Congress since 1994.

"It is a really important start," Democratic Senator Christopher Murphy of Connecticut said before the vote, displaying photos of some of the victims of the December 14 massacre of 20 children and six adults at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

That agreement to expand criminal background checks of gun buyers to include commercial sales made at gun shows and online was expected to boost bipartisan Senate support for the measure.

The expanded background checks, a provision that polls show has the support of up to 90 percent of Americans, will be the first amendment offered in debate and appears to be Obama's best hope for achieving meaningful gun-control legislation.

But Obama is unlikely to get some elements of gun control that he has advocated, including a ban on rapid-firing "assault" weapons like the one used in Connecticut and limits on the capacity of ammunition magazines. Amendments to add those provisions to the bill being considered by the Senate appear to have a slim chance of winning on the Senate floor.

Many Republicans and some Democrats have objected to the gun-control proposals as an infringement on their constitutional right to own guns.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol; guncontroldebate; secondamendment
"This bill is a clear overreach that will predominantly punish and harass our neighbors, friends and family," said Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who joined the effort to block debate on the bill.
1 posted on 04/11/2013 8:54:43 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE
WAG THE DOG
2 posted on 04/11/2013 8:56:00 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: EXCH54FE

Don’t blame Texas. Both of my Senators voted “NO”!


3 posted on 04/11/2013 8:56:47 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: EXCH54FE

Amendment:

“Any restrictions to citizens’ exercise of their 2nd Amendment Bill of Rights applied by this law will also apply to the 1st Amendment.”


4 posted on 04/11/2013 8:58:08 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: knarf

they are just dragging out Obama’s Fund Raising Tour


5 posted on 04/11/2013 8:58:09 AM PDT by molson209
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To: EXCH54FE

Republicans who voted to proceed were Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), Susan Collins (Maine). Bob Corker (Tenn.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Dean Heller (Nev.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), John McCain (Ariz.), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and Roger Wicker (Miss.).


6 posted on 04/11/2013 8:58:51 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: EXCH54FE
rapid-firing "assault" weapons

Now pulling the trigger speedily is evil!

Watch out 6-shooters from the Old West!

7 posted on 04/11/2013 8:59:26 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: TexasRedeye

I am completely embarassed to be from Connecticut- but I am proud to say that I voted neither for Murphy nor Malloy.


8 posted on 04/11/2013 9:00:47 AM PDT by SoKatt ("Change" is not a strategy!)
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To: EXCH54FE

Who are the so-called R’s that supported the Dem’s? Busterds!


9 posted on 04/11/2013 9:00:47 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: EXCH54FE

Watching Mitch McConnell function as minority leader in the senate is like watching an old lady herd cats.

The cats wander all over the place and don’t even know they have a leader.


10 posted on 04/11/2013 9:02:02 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: EXCH54FE
"The Senate voted 68-31 to open debate on President Barack Obama's proposals...."

We've got 68 Democrat Senators? I thought the Repubs were closer than that......

11 posted on 04/11/2013 9:02:37 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: TexasRedeye
Both my A-Hole Senators from Georgia voted for it. Both can go to hell !! At least I'll get to vote against Isackson.
12 posted on 04/11/2013 9:03:24 AM PDT by bestrongbpositive
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To: showme_the_Glory

See post #6. Traitors, the whole damn bunch.


13 posted on 04/11/2013 9:04:38 AM PDT by Marathoner (Republicans are socialists, Democrats are communists, we are sooo screwed!)
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To: EXCH54FE

Just what debate do these morons think they’re going to get from Reid and Co? This is disgusting.


14 posted on 04/11/2013 9:05:25 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: EXCH54FE
Thomas Jefferson


"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. - 1764"


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15 posted on 04/11/2013 9:06:25 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: EXCH54FE

I don’t have to look at the roll call to KNOW that Obozo’s lapdog McCaskill voted to proceed. I didn’t see Blunt’s name among the turncoat RINO’s however so that seems encouraging at least in some small amount...


16 posted on 04/11/2013 9:07:11 AM PDT by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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To: EXCH54FE

[[Senate agrees to open gun-control debate]]

Swell- We’ve coem to a pointi n history where our senate is ‘discussing’ whther the second amendmnet is valid or not- What next? What amendment is next? in just a few short months- We’ve goen frorm havign the right to own guns to a coutnry where our govenrment is ‘discussing’ whether they can confiscate those guns for ANY reason they like (while claiming someoen on anti-anxiety medications or who has ever takne thsoe meds is a ‘danger to society and therefore not ‘elligible’ to own a gun)


17 posted on 04/11/2013 9:09:42 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
“Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Bob Corker (Tenn.)”

Wow Two out of Two. It is time We voted these two out of office.

It is a sad Day for Tennessee and our fight to keep our GOD given 2nd Amendment Rights.

:-(

18 posted on 04/11/2013 9:10:41 AM PDT by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: CottShop; All

Names of republicans to voted for open debate?

Names of Democrats you voted for debate/end cloture AND are up for reelection?


19 posted on 04/11/2013 9:11:55 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: EXCH54FE

America is so freaking screwed.


20 posted on 04/11/2013 9:12:07 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

They call themselves Republicans.

They are helping to destroy our country and have already destroyed the Republican party.

McStupid thinks that everything the Democrats do is fine because they are in the majority.

Democrats don’t even have to bother to show up They just vote party.Not one of those a-holes has a mind of their own.

Especially those two dipsticks from my state of Maryland.


21 posted on 04/11/2013 9:16:37 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: CottShop
“What amendment is next?”

First they came for my Guns.

Then they came for my Books.

Then they came for my Voice.

Then they came for my GOD.

Then they took my LIFE!!

MOLON LABE!!!

22 posted on 04/11/2013 9:18:55 AM PDT by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: bestrongbpositive

There is a town in Georgia supposedly that has ‘mandated gun ownership’ and was encouraging, and was a state we were looking at to move to as it was one of the ‘most free states’ (top 5) in the US right now- but now you say your senators voted to proceed?


23 posted on 04/11/2013 9:19:58 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: longtermmemmory

Proud to see that Arkansas’ Mark Pryor (D) voted against.

Really disappointed that so many who are allegedly on “our” side, openly betrayed the Constitution.


24 posted on 04/11/2013 9:20:39 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Burr has always been shaky on guns.

Look for him to cave on immigration also.

25 posted on 04/11/2013 9:22:12 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: EXCH54FE

[[Then they came for my GOD.]]

They’ve already come for our God- They’ve kicked God out and invited Satan in which is why they are able to do all the other violations without beign opposed-


26 posted on 04/11/2013 9:29:01 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: longtermmemmory

I voted for democrats? News tro me


27 posted on 04/11/2013 9:30:01 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I can’t wait to hear why Coburn voted aye when Inhofe voted no. Coburn is planing on introducing his own version, I know but it will get shot down. He is smart enough to know that!


28 posted on 04/11/2013 9:32:58 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: EXCH54FE

This provides cover for the Senators that want to say "Well we tried ..." but then allow our 2nd Amendment right to be trampled anyway. They are inching closer to Civil War II.


29 posted on 04/11/2013 9:33:41 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: backwoods-engineer

[[America is so freaking screwed.]]

We have been screwed for a long time now- ever sicne Ginsburg and ilk began legislatign from the bench- and especially now that traitor John roberts gave the left the green light to violate our consitutional rights by proclaiming “The supreme court does not have an obligation to protect the peopel from bad choices- if you don’t liek your chocie you are then free to vote them out of office in the next election (although I’m not usre how law abiding citizsens who are arrested for some ilaegal law concocted by a teayrannical govenrment can vote from prison- perhapsd roberts can explain that to us? 4 years is a hell of a long time to wait while being opprerssed by a tryanicle govenremnt hell bwent on violating our constitutional rights


30 posted on 04/11/2013 9:35:23 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: EXCH54FE

Reactionary laws rushed through always bode ill for the people at large. The tyrants must disarm the people before they can do what they want without fear.


31 posted on 04/11/2013 9:35:49 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: EXCH54FE
But Obama is unlikely to get some elements of gun control that he has advocated, including a ban on rapid-firing "assault" weapons like the one used in Connecticut and limits on the capacity of ammunition magazines. Amendments to add those provisions to the bill being considered by the Senate appear to have a slim chance of winning on the Senate floor.

According to the freaking news accounts, it was a &%$#%&&&^&^ PISTOL that was used, not a rifle of any kind. The shooting war is about ready to start - these idiots are begging for it.

32 posted on 04/11/2013 9:38:52 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

How about any requirement imposed on the buying and selling of firearms also applies to voting. Picture I.D. background check, etc. How long would the Dems stand for that.


33 posted on 04/11/2013 9:40:19 AM PDT by center mass
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To: EXCH54FE
There will be no "debate" - that's all BS.

Everyone has their position. The time has long since gone when a senator can be convinced in honest debate - they are all bought off in one way or another.
They might as well vote on the bill now and get it over with... then we'll know who the enemy is.

34 posted on 04/11/2013 9:43:40 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: center mass

Why can’t we get an enterprising Congresscreep to offer that amendment?

Rand Paul, where are you?


35 posted on 04/11/2013 9:44:12 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: center mass

Love your idea.

I’m going to post a vanity, and see if we can attract attention.

Now.


36 posted on 04/11/2013 9:44:56 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Yeah, Hoeven voted with the liberals. I’m disgusted. Heitkamp did, too, but she’s a Dem the East side voted in and frankly, despite all her BS, I expected that (D’oh, she’s a Dem.).


37 posted on 04/11/2013 9:47:03 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: EXCH54FE

“to curb gun violence” Rooters!
To infringe upon the 2nd!
COLD. DEAD. HANDS!
Molon baby ...


38 posted on 04/11/2013 9:49:44 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Hugh the Scot
Proud to see that Arkansas’ Mark Pryor (D) voted against.

Dingy Harry gave him permission to vote against it only because it made no difference.

39 posted on 04/11/2013 9:55:57 AM PDT by OSHA (One despises and wants to destroy the United States, the other is a dead terrorist.)
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To: fella
The tyrants must disarm the people before they can do what they want without fear.

The idiots are too busy believing in their own importance to recognize reality.

In Canada, when long gun registration was required, it is estimated over half the firearms covered were not registered, and many of the registrations generated were full of erroneous or just plain bogus data.

Canada has no Second Amendment to rally behind.

Do they really think they will get even half of the tens of millions of arms they target?

Seriously.

Make criminals of us all, and we no longer have anything to lose. They don't want to pull the cork out of that bottle unless they want to destroy America.

40 posted on 04/11/2013 9:58:24 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: OSHA
Proud to see that Arkansas’ Mark Pryor (D) voted against. Dingy Harry gave him permission to vote against it only because it made no difference.

Hammer. Nail. Bang.

41 posted on 04/11/2013 9:59:40 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: OSHA

I’m sure you have a source for that claim...

Doesn’t matter. A correct vote “is what it is”.


42 posted on 04/11/2013 10:04:46 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: OB1kNOb

I’m sure Harry Reid gave permission to the few Republicans who voted against as well?

Are we really so small and petty that we can’t acknowledge a good decision on the part of an adversary? I’m not a cheerleader for the Republican team, I’m only interested in who is, or isn’t actively destroying my liberty. Today, Mark Pryor wasn’t, and I’m pleased by that.


43 posted on 04/11/2013 10:12:31 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Republicans who voted to proceed were Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), Susan Collins (Maine). Bob Corker (Tenn.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Dean Heller (Nev.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), John McCain (Ariz.), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and Roger Wicker (Miss.).

Now we have a list of people to defeat in the primaries the next time around. Coburn is the real disappointment here, along with Ayotte. She, BTW, can kiss any Presidential or Vice Presidential ambitions goodbye.

These people have all LIED, they have massively and traitorously violated their oath of office and shirked their responsibility to protect our inalienable rights against infringement by the government...so screw them! I guarantee that I will be contributing to ANY candidate who is likely to defeat them in the primaries, and I may even contribute to their 'Rat opponents if they survive the primary - that will send a message to the rest of the hypocritical, statist bastards that treason will not be rewarded in any way.

Right now I have NO respect for any of these scumbags, and if they were on fire I wouldn't piss on them to put out the flames.

44 posted on 04/11/2013 10:31:41 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Seriously.

Make criminals of us all, and we no longer have anything to lose. They don’t want to pull the cork out of that bottle unless they want to destroy America.”

Ummmm,,, exactly.


45 posted on 04/11/2013 10:50:32 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Hugh the Scot

I gather you’re not from Arkansas and don’t really know much about the history of Mark Pryor or his daddy, David Pryor and the way they operate politically.


46 posted on 04/11/2013 11:01:59 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: OB1kNOb

You gather correctly.


47 posted on 04/11/2013 12:06:42 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: CottShop
They did but Chambliss is retiring and hopefully we can throw Isakson out and get someone who respects the constitution. Come on down/over, it's a great state regardless of the two A-hole Senators.
48 posted on 04/11/2013 2:01:31 PM PDT by bestrongbpositive
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To: OSHA

You are correct!! If Dirty Harry had needed his vote he would have been right there with the Dems. Vote his A$$ out next election.


49 posted on 04/11/2013 2:06:08 PM PDT by bestrongbpositive
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To: bestrongbpositive

can’t tak humidity or extreme heat (I live in the north) though- Woudll ove to move down there but worried abotu the heat and humidity- health condition makes thsoe thigns very difficult to bear


50 posted on 04/11/2013 3:17:16 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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