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Remington Has No Plans to Leave New York
GUNS.Com ^ | Apr. 11, 2013 | Max Slowik

Posted on 04/11/2013 9:29:25 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

Remington has made their intentions to stay in the state of New York clear in a recent meeting with state lawmakers, in spite of the passage of the SAFE act, the highly controversial gun control package that has already started to come undone.

Dozens and dozens of companies have boycotted New York law enforcement in protest of the passage of these gun laws, and companies across the U.S. are relocating following the recent push for increased gun control around the country.

Remington is taking the opposite tack, and is going forward with plans for a $20 million upgrade to their manufacturing facility in Ilion, N.Y. They are doing so to fulfill a 10-year contract with the military to supply SOCOM with 5,000 Remington MSR sniper rifles. The contract is worth $79.7 million for the rifles as well as Advanced Armament Corp. Titan QD suppressors and 4,696,800 rounds of ammo.

The state of New York has granted Remington millions of dollars over the years to upgrade and renovate their Illion facilities, almost $6 million just recently.

“In 2010, Empire State Development, the agency that works with private companies to attract and retain jobs, announced $2.5 million in grants and subsidies to help Remington bring its Marlin lever-action gun production from Connecticut to Ilion and add 100 jobs. That followed two grants in 2009 worth $3 million for renovations and machinery.

Whether the state will continue to support and subsidize Remington and other Freedom Group gun manufacturers is another issue entirely. But for at least the next decade, Remington will remain at their Ilion home, where they employ about 1,200 people, in order to supply the military with rifles uninterrupted.

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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol; politics; secondamendment
Still, it is a bit different for Remington. They may have plans to fight New York gun control laws even as they accept cash from the state and pay taxes to it. There are a lot of people who depend on Remington, both outside and inside the uniform. The question is whether or not that’s enough.

Will you do business with Remington following this announcement? What about other Freedom Group companies?

1 posted on 04/11/2013 9:29:25 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

Boycott Remington.


2 posted on 04/11/2013 9:30:41 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: EXCH54FE
I won't be buying or recommending Remington anymore.

/johnny

3 posted on 04/11/2013 9:31:56 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: EXCH54FE

If Remington ammo is available in the calibers I shoot then I will buy it unless there is a competing brand available too. I will definitely favor their competitors when more than one brand is available. As for firearms, I will buy other brands instead.


4 posted on 04/11/2013 9:34:20 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: EXCH54FE

Remington®, Bushmaster® Firearms, DPMS/Panther Arms™, Marlin®, H&R®, The Parker Gun™, Mountain Khakis®, Advanced Armament Corp. ®, Dakota Arms®, Para™ USA and Barnes® Bullets are part of the “Freedom” Group companies.


5 posted on 04/11/2013 9:34:20 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Look folks, the 2nd Amendment is a key to the Bill of Rights, just like the 1st Amendment.

No infringement is allowed. Period.

Any person, company, or Congresscritter who supports the violation of our rights ought to suffer the worst legal (well, so far) retribution possible.


6 posted on 04/11/2013 9:35:56 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: EXCH54FE

Churchill said it best:

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

Plenty of other companies I can give my business to.


7 posted on 04/11/2013 9:39:53 AM PDT by MNlurker
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To: EXCH54FE

If they have something I want, I will buy it from them. All I can think of right now, is ammunition and reloading components.


8 posted on 04/11/2013 9:40:44 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: EXCH54FE

Remington read the tea leaves and knows that the government will be their only legal customers anyway...


9 posted on 04/11/2013 9:43:21 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: EXCH54FE

I think this will end my business with Remington. Lines are being drawn, and gun businesses and owners alike need to figure out where they stand. Gun manufacturers should go to 2nd Amendment friendly states.


10 posted on 04/11/2013 9:48:05 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Dogbert41

Maybe they read the bill and think the NY SC or USSC will overturn the SAFE Act?


11 posted on 04/11/2013 9:51:26 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: Uncle Miltie

EXACTLY!

I recently waited 3 months for a 700BDL 30.06. My shop couldn’t procure one even after direct contact with Remington so they refunded my deposit.

Bought a Weatherby instead. It’s a better rifle with nicer finish. This is just another reason I’m glad I made that choice.


12 posted on 04/11/2013 9:54:53 AM PDT by IBIAFR
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To: EXCH54FE

Remingdone


13 posted on 04/11/2013 9:57:02 AM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: EXCH54FE

They will join GMC in the pro-government side. I’ll never buy a GMC vehicle , I won’t buy Remmington anything. There are plenty of weapons and ammo companies that compete with them. This administration is dividing us up. I’m good with that. Just let them be the prime government supplier.

Cause that’s what you want, right. Only one supplier for weapons and ammo.


14 posted on 04/11/2013 9:57:58 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I was going to buy me a Remington 700 this year or next for my first bolt action. Looks like that won’t be happening.


15 posted on 04/11/2013 10:01:27 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: EXCH54FE

“Remington has made their intentions to stay in the state of New York clear....”

OK, fine, they have the right to choose where they locate their production facilities.

But I also have a right to determine whether or not to support, with my hard-earned money, a company that clearly does not give a rat’s ass about the monumental infringements of Constitutional rights going on in the place that they choose to produce arms, ammo and ammo components. They have the choice to move to another state, one much more friendly to the rights of its citizens, but have chosen to stay in NY and pay taxes to the tyrannical government of that state. Therefore, MY CHOICE IS TO BOYCOTT REMINGTON.

With us, or with the Statists. Remington has chosen, and so have I. Screw Remington and the horse they rode in on, I will reward its competitors.


16 posted on 04/11/2013 10:09:56 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: DCBryan1

May very well be.

In the meantime, I’ll be buying used Remington products (not new) while eyeing alternatives. And the AAC cans I want will be the made-in-GA ones.


17 posted on 04/11/2013 10:13:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: EXCH54FE
The state of New York has granted Remington millions of dollars over the years to upgrade and renovate their Illion facilities, almost $6 million just recently.

there's your answer. crony crapitalism

18 posted on 04/11/2013 10:20:16 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Remington reminds me of the German weapons manufactuer, Krup. They quickly got in bed with Hitler’s group and were allowed to continue to flourish (under the Nazi’s thumb of course). Looks like Remington is looking to be the liberal’s mistress.


19 posted on 04/11/2013 10:22:27 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Thane_Banquo
I was going to buy me a Remington 700 this year or next for my first bolt action. Looks like that won’t be happening.

I have a 700, and it is a mighty fine rifle. However, even before this I was considering the fact that Savage makes even better rifles for the same price, and sometimes for a lower price. Besides, if you want an awesomely accurate rifle (i.e. under 1/2 minute of angle on a consistent basis) you need to take a mass production rifle to a gunsmith and have a variety of service performed on it.

Get yourself a Savage, that's what I plan on doing for my next boltie. Screw Remington, it has decided to stand with the tyrants, the statists, the would-be dictators.

20 posted on 04/11/2013 10:23:14 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: EXCH54FE

A boycott of Remington makes no sense. Few companies the size of Remington can afford to just pick up and move out state not to mention they would be displacing over 1 thousand workers. They also have received millions in incentives to stay in NY that they might have to pay back if they left. Remington does not support the NY law, they just decided not to move. Attacking Remington doesnt help gun owners it helps the anti-gunners who would put Remington out of business if they could. And who is next? Are we going to boycott every gun company in the Northeast or Calif? The left would love for us to drive all allies out of business.


21 posted on 04/11/2013 10:38:45 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Then buy their products, and we won`t. Cool?


22 posted on 04/11/2013 10:51:19 AM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

“Then buy their products, and we won`t. Cool?”

Fine. I boycotted S&W when they sucked up to KKKlinton, I just dont see what did Remington did that justifies a boycott.


23 posted on 04/11/2013 10:56:34 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

If a boycott doesn’t make sense, does doing the opposite make sense? I mean, buying from Remington now that they’ve decided to reward the oppressors of the 2A.

I have a Remington 597 .22. I’ll probably sell it now.


24 posted on 04/11/2013 10:58:27 AM PDT by steerpike100
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To: steerpike100

“If a boycott doesn’t make sense, does doing the opposite make sense? I mean, buying from Remington now that they’ve decided to reward the oppressors of the 2A.”

How did they reward the oppressors??


25 posted on 04/11/2013 11:04:42 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: EXCH54FE
Remington Has No Plans to Leave New York

Lazamataz has no plans to buy Remington products.

26 posted on 04/11/2013 11:06:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: EXCH54FE

No Remington’s will be purchased for our household.


27 posted on 04/11/2013 11:11:13 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

They have committed to staying in NYS, paying taxes, supporting the state’s economy. By buying Remington, now, customers end up contributing to the upkeep of the fascists in NYS government.

For some, this is a matter of conscience. For you, it is not.

Laissez Faire, but I for one will be avoiding Remington products in the foreseeable future.


28 posted on 04/11/2013 11:12:28 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: EXCH54FE
Will you do business with Remington following this announcement?

I understand why Remington is standing fast at this time - I'm sure they gave certain assurances in exchange for the state grant that they accepted a while back. Bad timing for the expansion and even worse luck.

Browning and Winchester are in Utah, so there are alternatives.

29 posted on 04/11/2013 11:15:00 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
I just dont see what did Remington did that justifies a boycott.

Remington didn't really do anything; the political landscape in NY changed. Years ago, a pro-RKBA statement from the company would've probably been enough to smooth all the ruffled feathers - but no longer. Anti-gun states are increasingly viewed as enemy territory and the fireams manufacturers that pay taxes there will lose market share.

It's the "new normal".

30 posted on 04/11/2013 11:29:57 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Lazamataz

If Remington® doesn’t have the Lazamataz Seal of Approval, I ain’t buying one.


31 posted on 04/11/2013 11:45:51 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: MortMan

“They have committed to staying in NYS, paying taxes, supporting the state’s economy. By buying Remington, now, customers end up contributing to the upkeep of the fascists in NYS government. For some, this is a matter of conscience. For you, it is not.”

I live in NY so I must be just as guilty. And dont forget all the guilty pro-gun conservative types in the big lib states. I would also like to leave but my job keeps me here as well as a disabled relative that depends upon me and my wife for support. Like Remington I CANT leave right now. We are not supporting the oppressors, we ARE the oppressed. Its easy for you guys to condem those who aren’t instantly mobile but some of us have little choice.


32 posted on 04/11/2013 12:01:41 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: EXCH54FE

I was aware of the likelihood of Remington staying where they are and I had come down to a choice between a Remington 700 and a Browning X-Bolt in .308. I chose Browning for that and other reasons.

I don’t contribute money to people who are not totally on our side. Screw ‘em.


33 posted on 04/11/2013 12:11:39 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

I am a NYS escapee. I understand your plight. If you want out, it takes time and effort. If you have personal reasons for staying, then you alone can judge whether they outweigh the intrusions of NYS government.

However, this isn’t about whether Remington (or you) have the right to stay, or good reasons to stay. It is about whether people will reward them for doing so. In your case, you are not in business to sell products to people who are vehemently opposed to the unconstitutional gun-grab recently enacted by the NYS government.

Remington IS in the business of selling things to the people targeted by the state government they have reaffirmed in their decision to remain. To borrow from Robert Frost... And that has made all the difference.

I hope you can understand the distinction, and that I have adequately explained it.

BTW - The emotional ploy of trying to equate individuals with companies, who by definition exist for very different reasons, is an annoying liberal tactic. Not a complaint, really, but I didn’t want you to think I missed it.


34 posted on 04/11/2013 12:21:45 PM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“Boycott Remington”

We already do. Remington has never recalled the 700 for its trigger problems and they are still selling the rifles with the old triggers. They have come out with a new trigger but you have to pay more for them. Current TV had a documentary on it last night. Its quite obvious Remington does’nt give a flip about its customers.


35 posted on 04/11/2013 12:32:18 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
And that's your decision but I will not willingly support ANY company that aids the enemies of the Constitutional Republican form of government that I believe in. I live in Ohio and I`m doing ALL I can to move.

The gun companies are special cases, if they can`t show the resolve to stand for our Constitution, given all that stands between them and bankruptcy IS the Constitution, then why should I go out of my way to support them?

Or is it that they ARE to be one of the priviledged few ALLOWED to opperate under the new tyranny? The armory of despots? Well then not only will I not patronize them, they can kiss my conservative ASS, eat shit, die and go straight to hell and rot!

36 posted on 04/11/2013 12:44:04 PM PDT by nomad
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To: MortMan

“Remington IS in the business of selling things to the people targeted by the state government they have reaffirmed in their decision to remain.”

I do not agree that remington’s decision to remain in NY reaffirms the actions of the state. If that is the case than every firearms company that remained in the US after the AWB of 1994 could be accused of supporting that law. The choice for Remington may be to stay or go bankrupt.

“BTW - The emotional ploy of trying to equate individuals with companies, who by definition exist for very different reasons, is an annoying liberal tactic.”

I’m sorry you see it that way but if Remington can be accused of supporting oppression simply by paying taxes how is that different than an individual paying taxes? Are you also going to boycott all NY businesses because they also pay taxes to Il Duce Cuomo’s govt? Remington loudly opposed the law and sent many of its workers to demonstrations against it. I can understand a boycott if they were favor of it but they were not.


37 posted on 04/11/2013 1:08:50 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: EXCH54FE; xzins

If they manufacture a gun that is illegal in New York, then wouldn’t it be a violation of both State and Federal Law to ship it to a state where it is legal?

And wouldn’t everyone at the plant who touches the gun while it is in New York be subject to felony prosecution for possession of an illegal firearm?


38 posted on 04/11/2013 1:19:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
I’m sorry you see it that way but if Remington can be accused of supporting oppression simply by paying taxes how is that different than an individual paying taxes?

Do you, as an individual, ask people to buy things from you for your livelihood? I assume you work for a company, presumably not one whose products are now illegal in the state you live in, earning your paycheck by providing value to the company.

We disagree on the reaffirmation aspects of this decision. That's fine - but (once again) I must remind you that the balancing act that you proclaim is necessary on Remington's behalf is one of their acceptance (or tacit endorsement, from a different point of view) of NYS actions against the willingness of their customer base to accept that action. Remington has made their decision. Their customer base now is free to make their own decisions.

The AWB was a nation wide law - not one principality among many. Escaping that law was not nearly as simple, and (to be honest) that law was not nearly as draconian as the current NYS law.

I wish you well in your survival quest there in NYS.

39 posted on 04/11/2013 3:05:45 PM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: EXCH54FE

I don’t do business with Remington because I don’t like their guns. The last one I bought was a jam-o-matic.


40 posted on 04/11/2013 3:09:51 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: MortMan

Do you, as an individual, ask people to buy things from you for your livelihood?
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My ex (now deceased) Mother in Law was the only smoker in her family, (Husband, 2boys, 1 girl) and my ex wife was strictly anti smoking BUT married me despite my smoking 3 plus packs of Regular Camels a day.
Her younger brother could probably be ‘accused’ of being a 60’s idealist, anti smoking, (don’t know and didn’t care his stance on drugs), anti drinking, anti military, anti Vietnam War, so - as you can see- we had a lot in common. <: <:

Anyway after much searching he found a job in the early to mid 70’s being a Rep for R J Reynolds and part of his job was to distribute the 3 or 4 pack samples of their different products.
I may have been a ‘drunk’ and one of those ‘nasty smokers’ but I did have integrity and continually asked how, in good conscience, could her brother profit from the nasty tobacco companies...the stock answer from him and her was - Well, I needed a job, I told him that with his ‘moral turpitude’ he may as well be standing on the corner selling drugs, given the way he was so anti smoking.
Guess the fact they both were/are New England Libs has something to do with it.


41 posted on 04/11/2013 3:22:55 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: P-Marlowe; EXCH54FE; wmfights
If they manufacture a gun that is illegal in New York, then wouldn’t it be a violation of both State and Federal Law to ship it to a state where it is legal? And wouldn’t everyone at the plant who touches the gun while it is in New York be subject to felony prosecution for possession of an illegal firearm?

I'm real sure the hypocrites will write the law so that they can keep producing and shipping guns. They just don't want you to have one.

Which means that their objective is to get rid of the customers of their manufacturers, which will then cause Remington to go out of business. Which is why Remington is stupid not to leave.

42 posted on 04/11/2013 5:37:37 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: EXCH54FE

“Will you do business with Remington following this announcement?”

Probably not. Remington, by remaining in enemy territory, and essentially electing to live off government contracts, has chosen the side of evil.

“What about other Freedom Group companies?”
Depends on what they choose.


43 posted on 04/11/2013 8:09:35 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: EXCH54FE

They say this NOW and they believe it NOW and it is true NOW, but when their competitors open shop in no tax states and thus gain a pricing edge that determination will melt away - bank on it.


44 posted on 04/12/2013 5:56:15 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
The choice for Remington may be to stay or go bankrupt.

The irony is that they may go bankrupt because they stayed.

45 posted on 04/14/2013 6:04:43 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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