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Gun Bill Passes Senate Cloture, Despite the Fact that No Senator Has Actually Seen It
The PJ Tatler ^ | 4/11/13 | Bryan Preston

Posted on 04/11/2013 10:02:11 AM PDT by Nachum

The gun bill passed cloture in the Senate with 68 votes today.

How does this happen, in what we are told is the world’s greatest deliberative body, when senators have not even seen the text of the legislation?

Speaking on the Senate floor minutes before the vote to move gun-control legislation forward, Mike Lee (R., Utah) urged postponing the cloture vote because none of his Senate colleagues has yet had a chance to read the entire bill. “We’re trying to prevent the ability of members to push through legislation before anyone has had the time to read and evaluate the language,” Lee said. “As of this morning, as of this very moment, not a single senator has been provided the legislative text of” the background-check provision proposed yesterday by senators Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey, which Lee said was the “centerpiece of this legislation.”

The cloture vote does not guarantee that the bill will pass, but it does now put it up to a simple majority vote in the Senate. Democrats have the majority in the Senate, and often vote with their party rather than vote with what their constituents want. They did that very thing when they passed ObamaCare, and had not read that bill before passing it either. Democrat Mary Landrieu, for instance, is from a red state, but she’ll do what the party tells her to do after extracting some meaningless concessions. The pressure will then mount on the House to kill it. Obama’s political army OFA is already emailing its minions to keep the pressure up on Congress to pass the bill — which no one has actually read.

But table that for a minute. President Obama promised that America

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KEYWORDS: banglist; bill; cloture; cwii; govtabuse; gun; guncontrol; secondamendment; senate; tyranny
We have to pass it so we can know what's in it...
1 posted on 04/11/2013 10:02:11 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 04/11/2013 10:02:40 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

He//, it’s NOT even written!


3 posted on 04/11/2013 10:03:56 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Nachum

” We have to pass it so we can know what’s in it...”

Again.


4 posted on 04/11/2013 10:06:28 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Someone...anyone...impeach all these traitorous freaks. Maybe they CAN’T read.


5 posted on 04/11/2013 10:08:18 AM PDT by hal ogen (ll)
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To: Nachum

If true then why did 68 senators vote for it?


6 posted on 04/11/2013 10:08:42 AM PDT by linn37
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To: Nachum

An Amendment that works no matter what’s in the bill:

“Any background checks, documentation, restrictions, waiting periods, or any other restrictions of this legislation on a citizen’s G-d-given Second Amendment Rights must be equally applied to each citizen’s right to VOTE and SPEAK.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3006706/posts


7 posted on 04/11/2013 10:10:53 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: Nachum
68
roostersucking scumbag commie enemies of America.

Almost 70% of the Senate are traitors and should be tried as such.

As a man thinketh, so IS he.

Just ask ANYone ever convicted of a crime on circumstantial eveidence .. no proof .. but the court decides .. we know what you're thinking.

THAT, I believe is some sort of precedent.

8 posted on 04/11/2013 10:11:44 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Nachum

This was a Republican sell out from the Get-Go.

They are pushing this country towards civil war, they know it, and they want the people disarmed before the SHTF.

Anyone that thinks I’m paranoid is in for a real shock.


9 posted on 04/11/2013 10:11:56 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Nachum

Hell is not hot enough for those R.I.N.O. traitors!!!


10 posted on 04/11/2013 10:13:31 AM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Nachum

the senate is power hungry and need to be stopped - not only do they not have a bill but even if they have a bill, they do not have the power to alter the Bill of Rights with 2/3 majority - they need 2/3 in the senate, the house and - 2/3 of the states must ratify it.

this is insane


11 posted on 04/11/2013 10:13:48 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I'll surrender my guns alright - bullets first)
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To: Nachum
We have to pass it so we can know what's in it...

Just like healthcare.

12 posted on 04/11/2013 10:14:21 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Nachum

It really hurts me to say this but I have more regards and respect, well just a teeny-tiny bit, for child molesters and robbers than I have for these politicians that sold us out. Still, no matter what, the whole lot deserve to be in prison. Unless Toomey has a lot of ‘splaining to do, all I can say is we got punk’d.


13 posted on 04/11/2013 10:17:43 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Nachum
This was, I believe, for two purposes. 1) to lower the bar for building the bill, as all amendments now can pass on simple (democrat) majorities. 2) this was also intended to set up the battlefield for 2014, get as much bad př for republicans as possible by pitting them as the evil meanies againstvthe children. I also wonder if the newtown parent filibuster of the filibuster may have looked like such a pr nightmare they decided against it. The dems are counting heavily on the propaganda value of the debates to make it very difficult to reject the final bill, which still requires 60 votes, as I recall. So its not by any means over, but it gets messier from here, even if we win.
14 posted on 04/11/2013 10:19:39 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Nachum
The Senate RINO’s have decided that they are tired of looking bad on CNN, so they are just in hurry to get the bill passed so the heat will shift to Boehner and the house. (Although I don't think it can pass the house, considering only 2 Republicans have voiced support and 30 red state democrats are saying they oppose it.) What we will be hearing for the next year from Obama and the liberal media is how “John Boeher’s Republican’s” killed a “common sense” bill that passed with bipartisan support in the Senate.
15 posted on 04/11/2013 10:20:18 AM PDT by apillar
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
and - 2/3 of the states must ratify it

3/4.

16 posted on 04/11/2013 10:21:35 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Nachum

Big Deal, Cloture is not passing anything, it’s just agreeing to debate and vote on a proposed law. That and there is no constitution issues either. Filibusters and Clotures rules are created and adhered to at the whim and sole encumbrance of the Senate.

That aside, I would rather it was Filibustered.


17 posted on 04/11/2013 10:25:15 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: OneWingedShark
Just like health care.

Obamacare...

Obamatroll...

Let hussein own it all.

.

18 posted on 04/11/2013 10:26:37 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Springfield Reformer
...the final bill, which still requires 60 votes...

Final passage of the bill only requires a majority of votes - 51 if all are present and voting.

19 posted on 04/11/2013 10:27:28 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: Nachum

“The pressure will then mount on the House to kill it.”

Call Boehner.


20 posted on 04/11/2013 10:29:49 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: TLI
>> Just like health care.
>
>Obamacare...
>Obamatroll...
>Let hussein own it all.

There's a big problem with that... it deprives others of the ownership they deserve: like the Supreme Court and the Congress.

21 posted on 04/11/2013 10:31:50 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Nachum

I believe this was a filibuster of the motion to proceed to debate.

There will have to be another cloture vote to end debate.


22 posted on 04/11/2013 10:35:00 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: apillar
The Senate RINO’s have decided that they are tired of looking bad on CNN

No. The Senate RINO's want to disarm the American public as much as their Democrat pals.

23 posted on 04/11/2013 10:36:38 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Nachum
The Congress (which is supposed to be a surrogate for us (House) and the States (Senate)) - has been surrendering its (our) powers for a century, because they are terrified of losing the best jobs any of them will ever have.

This process started slowly when they surrendered their (our) power to regulate the value of money in 1913. But the last time Congress acted to guard its (our) powers was in the 1970s. Since then, it's been increasingly a charade to collect bribes and live the good life, increasingly invulnerable to being kicked out. They don't care who exactly makes decisions - POTUS, Supreme Court, Oprah or Ellen, no matter - as long as it's not them.

We've been following an illusion for almost 50 years now, and it's time we accept the truth - the Republic is overthrown, we have a junta in place which will prove most difficult to remove, now that the Commander-in-Chief knows what he wants and is clear about what he has to do to get it.

Of course, the Senate can't really pass legislation that hasn't been written yet - but that's just what they are about to do - for the children.

And if you think the House will stand up to the infotainment complex, which will be deployed in depth against the evil Republicans - if you believe that, you haven't been paying attention.

24 posted on 04/11/2013 10:36:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Nachum

“We have to pass it so we can know what’s in it... “

Like a stool sample.


25 posted on 04/11/2013 10:44:42 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: TexasRedeye

I think they have to have a cloture vote to end debate, as well.


26 posted on 04/11/2013 11:02:35 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: Nachum

I so despise these evil @%%&*()_rds!


27 posted on 04/11/2013 11:05:15 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

That really sounds like the responsible thing to do.

Especially for RHINOs. Election time rolls around and they can cry foul and use the Rhetoric of :
“It was goin to pass anyway so we just moved it off the table so we could involve the Senate in more pressing issues, such as giving rights and freedoms to 11 million oppressed Undocumented Felons. Oops strike that,That: Er uh! Brothers from South of an Imaginary border that
Oppresses ManKind and you know need to have the same rights and Freedoms of their fellow Man in their Adopted Country!”


28 posted on 04/11/2013 11:06:20 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Nachum

16 Republican Traitors who voted with Democrats to proceed:
Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.);
Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.);
Richard Burr (R-N.C.);
Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.);
Tom Coburn (R-Okla.);
Susan Collins (R-Maine);
Bob Corker (R-Tenn.);
Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.);
Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.);
Dean Heller (R-Nev.);
John Hoeven (R-N.D.);
Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.);
Mark Kirk (R-Ill.);
John McCain (R-Ariz.);
Patrick Toomey (R-Pa.);
Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)

ALL the LIEberal Democrats who voted for it are Traitors!

Two LIEbeal Democrats voted “Nay,” but they are up for re-election in 2014 and needed political cover. They will probably vote “Aye” with their Rat brethren/sisteren on the final bill.

A stunning defeat for FReedom and Liberty!


29 posted on 04/11/2013 11:23:16 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: TexasRedeye

Not what I heard, but I will check it out. Tnx.


30 posted on 04/11/2013 11:33:29 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: linn37
If true then why did 68 senators vote for it?

Because they're RAT BASTARD SOCIALIST-FASCIST TREASONOUS TRAITORS who hate America, liberty, freedom AND our U.S. Constitution, and are hell bent on turning Amerika into a socialist hell-hole ruled over by totalitarian elitists.

31 posted on 04/11/2013 11:37:03 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Nachum

They don’t care and they use it for their own selfish purposes.


32 posted on 04/11/2013 12:34:09 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: MortMan

I belive you are correct. I stand corrected if they adopt any amendments. Once amendmens are adopted, it is no longer the original bill and becomes subject to cloture vote.


33 posted on 04/11/2013 12:36:16 PM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: Nachum

Just like what Cuomo did in New York.

The end result will be more tyranny and more cases sent to the SCOTUS; more money and time wasted and more Americans oppressed by these would-be dictators of the Left.


34 posted on 04/11/2013 3:04:41 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

The old line GOP doesn’t want the common people to have guns. None of the elite do. They only want their guards to be armed.

Funny thing is history has some eather interesting examples of when the guards stop guarding and start taking control.


35 posted on 04/11/2013 3:43:43 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

What purpose is an international background check? It simply gets more gunowners’ names on the list.

Checks on individuals selling at gun shows? Who’s going to pay for that? Go out to the parking lot and buy one.


36 posted on 04/11/2013 8:58:32 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Nachum

I think it only needs 50 votes to pass now??

Is that right?


37 posted on 04/11/2013 9:02:50 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Maybe, but it still has to go to the Congress. It’s not over yet.


38 posted on 04/11/2013 9:07:00 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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