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NY SAFE Act: ANY healthcare provider or local official can turn you for firearms confiscation
Fox News Channel (NO LINK) | 4/11/13

Posted on 04/11/2013 10:24:10 AM PDT by pabianice

Now reporting on the NY Lewis case in which a gun owner had his guns and LTC confiscated.

As the facts emerge, it is much worse than we thought. The state SAFE Act cancels the federal HIPPA Act (Surprise!), which is supposed to keep your health info private. No one has yet admitted who supplied to the NY State Police information that at some time Lewis took a mood leveling medicine. The REALLY scary part is that under SAFE, any "healthcare provider" -- physician, nurse, physical therapist, personal care assistant, pharmacy technician, LPN, elder day care visitor -- can turn you in to the state as unfit to own a firearm. Once named, you have no right to appeal.

Also according to the Fox report, Lewis' lawyer is already reporting that what happened to Lewis is happening to other clients.

And today Senate Republicans blessed Reid's plan to pass Obama's gun registration --> confiscation plans by banning the "transfer" of firearms among citizens. Of course, the House will surely save us. /S


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: banglist; communism; corruption; democrats; govtabuse; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; healthcarebrownshirt; healthcarenazi; lewis; medicalbrownshirts; nazistate; nysafeact; rapeofliberty; safeact; secondamendment; tyranny; waronliberty

1 posted on 04/11/2013 10:24:10 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

TurnCoat Turn-Ins


2 posted on 04/11/2013 10:33:36 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.)
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To: pabianice

This is scary. Bottom line: you can’t trust anyone, not even your own doctor anymore.


3 posted on 04/11/2013 10:48:32 AM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: pabianice

In other words, all medical personnel in NY are the enemy. You go to them for a diagnosis of physical conditions, but you speak as carefully around them as around police or Stasi/KGB informers. Mental health treatment is no longer an option within the borders of that state, at least not for those who want to keep their God-given and constitutionally=protected right to keep and bear arms. I hope a lot of their liberal shrinks lose their shirts over this, both in lost business and in lawsuits.


4 posted on 04/11/2013 10:50:25 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success.)
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To: Gerish

If doctor-patient privilege can be denied for firearms, what’s next? Will your doctor be forced to tell your employer about any medical procedures or treatments done to you?

(Oh, yeah, that’s one of the tenets of “We gotta pass it to see what’s in it” O-blamer-no-care)


5 posted on 04/11/2013 10:51:29 AM PDT by ssaftler (It's Obama's fault)
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To: pabianice

All conservative local officials should start turning in all vocal liberals, and even the closeted ones.


6 posted on 04/11/2013 10:55:28 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: pabianice

What happened to no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation? Apparently our 5th Amendment rights are being ended just like our 2nd Amendment rights. This country is rapidly becoming a totalitarian state.


7 posted on 04/11/2013 10:59:34 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: pabianice

The NYS Troopers, who would be quite comfortable and at home working for the Stasi, are now claiming it was all a mistake.

Hmm, name the same, drugs taken the same, doctor the same, address the same but the Stasi want us to believe they made a mistake. No they are testing the waters to see if they have crossed the imaginary line in the sand and NY’rs have shown there is no line.

The crunch against citizens continues to escalate with each passing day.

A NYS Trooper is simply an LEO who could not pass the mental exam for any other Law Enforcement agency or are a diversity plant, or a female with estrogen deficiency.


8 posted on 04/11/2013 11:02:02 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: pabianice

So I guess from now on, when you go to visit your doctor, you have to bring your lawyer with you.


9 posted on 04/11/2013 11:06:45 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: pabianice

Since HIPAA is a federal law, the SAFE act can’t repeal it. However HIPAA was never about protecting patients from the government. It’s full of exceptions.


10 posted on 04/11/2013 11:10:18 AM PDT by Ford4000
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To: The Great RJ
Here is what a lot of people are still overlooking in this debate:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by OATH or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Your right to be secure in your person, house, papers, and effects SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED!

No warrant shall be issued unless there is PROBABLE CAUSE, supported by OATH or affirmation, and particularly DESCRIBING THE PLACE TO BE SEARCHED, and the persons or THINGS TO BE SEIZED.

If you are going to be questioned by the police you ASSERT YOUR 5TH Amendment rights! If they demand that you surrender your weapons, DEMAND A SEARCH WARRANT!

In order to get a search warrant, an officer must swear to the facts he is presenting to the judge. He might get by with a "false" or "mistaken" set of facts, but he subjects himself to a prison sentence and civil fines if he goes beyond his lawful scope of duties or authority. And lying to obtain a search warrant is not within the scope of ANY officer's duties!

YOUR RIGHTS ARE WORTHLESS UNLESS YOU AT LEAST MAKE THE EFFORT TO ASSERT THEM!!!!!

11 posted on 04/11/2013 11:29:42 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Ford4000

HIPAA was made to protect the privacy of a patient’s medical records. Severe fines were supposed to be levied on those who disclosed patients information without authorization or to persons who were not authorized to receive it. If you or I violate HIPAA, say goodbye to everything you own. If the Government violates HIPAA, no big deal.


12 posted on 04/11/2013 11:32:00 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: bunkerhill7
New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act FAQ's
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13 posted on 04/11/2013 11:44:08 AM PDT by wtd
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To: Gerish

Your doctor will become a government spy. Refuse to fill out any part of a `mandatory health questionnaire’ and your attitude (antisocial, hostile, potentially violent, war-scarred psyche if you’re a vet) will be duly noted.

Especially if you refuse to confirm or deny that you own firearms.

And now, you can’t trust your “conservative Republican senator”, either.

War’s coming, folks.


14 posted on 04/11/2013 11:47:34 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: ssaftler
If doctor-patient privilege can be denied for firearms, what’s next?

Attorney-client privilege. This is a naked push for political power by very ruthless people, and they're succeeding.

15 posted on 04/11/2013 11:50:33 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: pabianice
Geeeeez . . .New York Police Admit to Wrongly Seizing David Lewis' Guns (Video)
16 posted on 04/11/2013 11:51:32 AM PDT by wtd
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To: pabianice
Have not seen a health care provider in over 25 years. Just one physical for a job. Told the doctor I got dizzy when working upside down for 5 minutes or more. The Doctor said, I would get dizzy too.

Am I ever glad I have not sought health care for frivolous reasons. They have nothing on me.

17 posted on 04/11/2013 11:55:30 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: pabianice

I work in the medical field. I really had a bad feeling when I found out that ALL medical records were to be “electronic medical records” by 2014. This means that no matter what doctor you see, no matter what facility that you go for your healthcare, it will be digitalized and stored on computer. I am not a computer geek by any stretch of the imagination, but how hard would it be for the government to tap into this supposed “very confidential” goldmine to find out everything as far as your health. Every time you went to a health professional, every time you sought emergency care. Every time were admitted, all your medications past and present, every lab value, all your complaints, diagnoses, your treatments. When you think about it, your medical record will report an immense amount of information about an individual from the time they were born. I am not even sure at this point if the government would even need a health professional to report someone. It’s all in the system. All that info ready to be gleaned over. That is mind blowing.


18 posted on 04/11/2013 11:59:15 AM PDT by alabama_heart
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To: wtd
Does not apply to other countries (?),

only NY State and USA?-

Solution:

Go seek treatment in another country, e.g., Canada.

19 posted on 04/11/2013 11:59:32 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.)
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To: Gerish

Getting more like NaziGermany every day.

Why dos everyone cry when people point out the facts. The fact is we are following in Nazi footsteps.

Read your history.

Citizens pimping on each other kids being brainwashed in pre K, Kids pimping on their parents gun confiscation, political corruption,destruction of the Constitution.

It’s all right there WTF up.


20 posted on 04/11/2013 1:35:28 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: elcid1970

It is the same situation in Minnesota. After moving back to Texas, I continued to get phone calls from the Minnesota nannies. I no longer recognize any professional license issued by the State of Minnesota.


21 posted on 04/11/2013 3:59:21 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: bunkerhill7
TurnCoat Turn-Ins

The Romans called them delatores or "tale-bearers", = "snitches", "informants".

Domitian was the worst and most assiduous at encouraging delatores. Under the Roman system, persons wanted by the State usually faced only two punishments: exile, or death. (Romans didn't have prisons or imprisonment as a punishment; incarceration was only a temporary holding-tank measure.)

If the punishment was death, the State took the dead man's estate and the informant got a nice chunk. Under Domitian and the later emperors, this process was a major source of government revenue, as senators got better and better at shielding, hiding, or sheltering their incomes and assets from tax collectors (who also worked on commission).

Lucius Annaeus Seneca, the senator, philosopher, and poet, was condemned by Nero, about 20 years before the accession of Domitian in 81. Seneca owned one estate in northern Italy whose annual wine production was worth 30,000 gold aurei annually (an aureus was about 7 grams of 99% pure gold). That's 210 kg of pure gold, or at recent prices around $1600/oz., about $11.8 million. Annually.

Treason trials of millionaires were the major business of the Roman court system for the last 300 years of its existence.

22 posted on 04/11/2013 5:20:01 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: bunkerhill7
TurnCoat Turn-Ins

The Romans called them delatores or "tale-bearers", = "snitches", "informants".

Domitian was the worst and most assiduous at encouraging delatores. Under the Roman system, persons wanted by the State usually faced only two punishments: exile, or death. (Romans didn't have prisons or imprisonment as a punishment; incarceration was only a temporary holding-tank measure.)

If the punishment was death, the State took the dead man's estate and the informant got a nice chunk. Under Domitian and the later emperors, this process was a major source of government revenue, as senators got better and better at shielding, hiding, or sheltering their incomes and assets from tax collectors (who also worked on commission).

Lucius Annaeus Seneca, the senator, philosopher, and poet, was condemned by Nero, about 20 years before the accession of Domitian in 81. Seneca owned one estate in northern Italy whose annual wine production was worth 30,000 gold aurei annually (an aureus was about 7 grams of 99% pure gold). That's 210 kg of pure gold, or at recent prices around $1600/oz., about $11.8 million. Annually.

Treason trials of millionaires were the major business of the Roman court system for the last 300 years of its existence.

23 posted on 04/11/2013 5:20:01 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: pabianice

Link to the Fox segment:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2293945945001/new-york-tells-legal-gun-owner-to-hand-over-weapons/


24 posted on 04/11/2013 6:01:53 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Enterprise

Exactly, HIPAA was intended to protect patient confidentiality except where the government is concerned. They can access your records for a multitude of reasons and you won’t ever be notified.


25 posted on 04/12/2013 6:54:12 AM PDT by Ford4000
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To: pabianice

So how many fewer people will be seeking psychiatric help now?

Great job dems.

Everything they do has the opposite effect.

“Help” those with psychiatric conditions only turns them away.

Talk of banning guns only produces a 2 year backlog for AR-15’s.

They people are beyond clueless.


26 posted on 04/14/2013 3:41:31 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Venturer

It’s not Godwin’s Law if the steps are all falling into place to replicate history.


27 posted on 04/14/2013 3:42:34 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: All

Hehehe, right on...

Like I’ve said before...Anyone who lives in NY, YOU made this bed, now YOU get to lay in it...hehehe

Cry me a river for ALL the problems you have with your elected officials and the nonsense they espouse and enact...

When you were afforded an opportunity to join into this independent group of states 230+ years ago...YOU GUYS ABSTAINED even back then...

So your history follows you to this day...

You know there is a convention of thought that says you can have bookshelves full of accolades and accomplishments, but one “Awww Crap!” and that is all that anyone will remember...

I don’t hate to say this, but NY, you have a lot more “Awwww Craps!!!” lining those shelves today...

I’m not even going to bother telling anyone from that state how to fix this problem...Y’all just stay up there and live with it...


28 posted on 04/14/2013 7:02:33 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: pabianice
This is the liberal vision of our 2nd Amd rights.


29 posted on 04/14/2013 8:16:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Enterprise
An enterprising attorney could also make the case this is nothing more than a Bill of Attainder. Legislatively, one is found "guilty" and their rights taken from them without due process.

NY SAFE is a target-rich environment.

30 posted on 04/14/2013 10:00:54 AM PDT by superloser
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To: stevie_d_64

“Like I’ve said before...Anyone who lives in NY, YOU made this bed, now YOU get to lay in it...hehehe”

I live in NY. If you think I did anything to bring this on you are (among other character flaws) stupid.

Your little “hehehe” at the end of that sentence tells me that you take delight in my situation.

You sound like a complete asshole.

GFY


31 posted on 04/14/2013 10:33:57 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Just sending u a little note to follow later when Reid drops the gun bill on us us next week so I can come back and remind you how it’s your fault. Have a nice weekend!!


32 posted on 04/14/2013 10:49:53 AM PDT by ez (Laws are for little people. Criminals, politicians, police, and David Gregory are exempt.)
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To: pabianice
Schumer Promises Universal Background Checks Won’t Create A Gun Registry… Then Calls It “Universal Registration”… http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/25/schumer-promises-universal-background-checks-wont-create-a-gun-registry-then-calls-it-universal-registration/ NRA Stand and Fight: Universal Registration http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hKq3967hUgU

33 posted on 04/14/2013 5:36:36 PM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: pabianice

34 posted on 04/14/2013 6:08:42 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: lentulusgracchus
The Romans called them delatores or "tale-bearers", = "snitches", "informants". Domitian was the worst and most assiduous at encouraging delatores. Under the Roman system, persons wanted by the State usually faced only two punishments: exile, or death. (Romans didn't have prisons or imprisonment as a punishment; incarceration was only a temporary holding-tank measure.) If the punishment was death, the State took the dead man's estate and the informant got a nice chunk. Under Domitian and the later emperors, this process was a major source of government revenue, as senators got better and better at shielding, hiding, or sheltering their incomes and assets from tax collectors (who also worked on commission). Lucius Annaeus Seneca, the senator, philosopher, and poet, was condemned by Nero, about 20 years before the accession of Domitian in 81. Seneca owned one estate in northern Italy whose annual wine production was worth 30,000 gold aurei annually (an aureus was about 7 grams of 99% pure gold). That's 210 kg of pure gold, or at recent prices around $1600/oz., about $11.8 million. Annually. Treason trials of millionaires were the major business of the Roman court system for the last 300 years of its existence.

Posts like this are the reason I have been lurking for a long long time. Very informative and much appreciated.

35 posted on 04/14/2013 8:45:44 PM PDT by 1553BC2RT
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To: Nik Naym

Well you certainly haven’t done sh!t to fix your own house have YOU!!!

“Your little “hehehe” at the end of that sentence tells me that you take delight in my situation.”

I have nothing but an indifferent skepticism, and belief that NY has nothing to offer to this union but a plethra of liberalism and soft republican politics, that is fairly worthless...I do not delight in anything this state has to offer at this particular juncture...

And your next statement proves YOUR worth to any further discussion...Very NY’ker of YOU...

“You sound like a complete asshole.”

Wow, you really got me there...You must be the best proctologist in NY...


36 posted on 04/15/2013 1:35:49 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: ez

My fault??? That Reid (D-NV) drops the bill into the laps of the Senate to debate???

That procedure, was a vote cast to bring the bill to the floor for debate...Not a vote for passing or rejection...Yet...

By all means try to have credible evidence of it being anyones “elses” fault, if it goes badly for all of us...I seriously doubt you will find any evidence of this being my fault...

And I had a great weekend, thanks...


37 posted on 04/15/2013 1:43:04 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Sure, your fault. You are blaming NY’ers for the SAFE Act so by the same logic, you, as an American, are responsible in the same fashion for any gun bill passed by Congress.
Bon Appetit.


38 posted on 04/15/2013 2:51:59 PM PDT by ez (Laws are for little people. Criminals, politicians, police, and David Gregory are exempt.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Well you proved my point.

You have confirmed my assessment of your character.

Have a nice day, idiot.


39 posted on 04/15/2013 5:10:46 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: 1553BC2RT
Thanks for your kind words, FRiend.

Vivat res publica!

40 posted on 04/16/2013 2:13:27 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: stevie_d_64
That procedure, was a vote cast to bring the bill to the floor for debate...Not a vote for passing or rejection...Yet...

I was just listening to AM'ers talking about that move on radidio .... it was effectively the GOP's only chance to prevent the bill's getting over to the House and putting the House GOP on the spot.

[Vote for the chiillllldren, it's for the chiiiillllldrennn! </off Obamapuke>]

I don't think it will pass the House, or give Obama the issue he wants next year to get the House back [for the chilllrun! .... the iddy biddy chillllrunn!!], but we're going to have the experience now of a maximal attempt by Obama and his MSM lickspittles to take out an article of the Bill of Rights with pure propaganda.

They wouldn't be trying this, except for the queer wins on antimarriage, that persuade them that "propaganda plus turning up the volume to '11' will get you anywhere you want".

It would have been preferable for some GOP senators to have grown a notochord at least, if not a spine. (That might be asking too much.)

41 posted on 04/16/2013 2:21:49 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Nik Naym

Ohhhhh, you had a point???

I know it must have been a struggle for you since you only have two brain cells to rub together to formulate any sort of cognative thought process, much less combine that process with say...

breathing...

Seek life and entertainment elsewhere, you bore me...


42 posted on 04/17/2013 2:44:03 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: pabianice

Do NOT go to ANY doctor in NY state then, or leave the state, its now occupied enemy territory.


43 posted on 04/17/2013 2:49:55 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: ez

I don’t see any other state passing a SAFE Act like piece of legislation???

So explain to me why you believe Conservative Americans, in general, are complicite in this wave of un-Constitutional laws in NY (spit), CO and CT??? Not to mention those other states frothing at the bit to do the same...

Of course we actually see Colorado and Connecticut trailing a close second and third when it comes to passing feel-good, do-nothing, restrictions upon the law abiding in those states, so yeah, it seems to be spreading somewhat, in certain similar ways...

I do know that there are a few states that will not fall into this trap...


44 posted on 04/17/2013 2:53:19 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Spartan302

Uh Ohhhhh, be careful...There are some knuckle draggers in here that might take offense at your declaration...

Never mind the fact that it is there mess to clean up...

If they have the political courage...But, alas, we are left with the lowest common denominator with words like “asshole” etc etc etc...

That is their knee-jerk [emphasis added] vernacular when it comes to people pointing out the obvious short-comings in their state...

But hey, no body is perfect...;-)


45 posted on 04/17/2013 3:00:35 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Enterprise
HIPAA was made to protect the privacy of a patient’s medical records.

you need a /sarc tag on this statement. The point of HIPAA was to open your medical records to every government drone. The government can't violate HIPAA because it doesn't really limit what the government can see in or do with our medical records.

46 posted on 04/17/2013 7:15:07 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: stevie_d_64

I didn’t say conservatives are complicit, you did.

I added my name to the lawsuit filed by Jim Tresmond in Buffalo.

I also personally sent my message to King Andrew by selling off a crapload of unused stuff and buying 4 rifles and 3000 rounds of ammo between Dec and March. Judging by what’s happening on Congress, I think they got my message.


47 posted on 04/18/2013 5:24:43 AM PDT by ez (Laws are for little people. Criminals, politicians, police, and David Gregory are exempt.)
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To: ez

I didn’t say conservatives are complicit, you did.

(Ok, so what were you implying then??? Obviously you’ll say I assumed, and that could be implied...B ut you did say Americans...I do not consider liberal/Fabian socialists to be Americans in my opinion...)

I added my name to the lawsuit filed by Jim Tresmond in Buffalo.

(Doesn’t mean anything, are you expecting to get something out of this??? I’m only asking, not implying...)

I also personally sent my message to King Andrew by selling off a crapload of unused stuff and buying 4 rifles and 3000 rounds of ammo between Dec and March. Judging by what’s happening on Congress, I think they got my message.

(Ok, so you were part of the “new” wave of panic purchasers, expecting your aquisitions to send some sort of message to the powers at be...Ok, I can dig it...Welcome to the party...I hope you get to keep your stuff then...)

What my skeptisism and critical opinions of the state of affairs in NY is based totally on the fact that this is a bad they have made, and for now have to lay in it...I have my doubts to the resolve of anyone in that state doing ANYTHING to correct this at the ballot box...And that is first and foremost where it needs to happen...Stocking up on the essentials is a good thing, yet, I see too many people pontificating when they should be preparing and committed to throwing these scum out on their asses when the time comes...

If anyone has to go to gun to effect change, everyone will lose...It is best to keep this battle in the legislatures and courts, which is where I have been saying it needs to stay for years...

Bottom line, I just don’t see it happening for those living there...If it does, I will be a very happy person for those in that state...I wish them luck in the process...


48 posted on 04/18/2013 7:02:04 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Billthedrill

how many anti-second amendment lawyers would report on their principle alone?

If a lawyers is a member of the (voluntary organization) ABA, it is not a positive.


49 posted on 04/18/2013 10:36:11 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ssaftler

Welcome to 1984...


50 posted on 06/09/2013 10:09:22 AM PDT by Shady (The Truth will set us free....WE KNOW THE TRUTH!)
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