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The 16 Senate Republicans who think the 2nd Amendment is up for debate
The Hill ^ | Jonathan Easley and Ramsey Cox

Posted on 04/11/2013 2:28:40 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan

Sixteen Republicans voted in favor of the motion, while two Democrats — both from states President Obama lost in the 2012 election — voted against it. The two Democrats were Sens. Mark Begich (Alaska) and Mark Pryor (Ark.), both of whom face reelection next year.

The 16 Republicans who voted to proceed were Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), Susan Collins (Maine), Bob Corker (Tenn.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Dean Heller (Nev.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), John McCain (Ariz.), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and Roger Wicker (Miss.). Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) missed the vote.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; rinotraitors; secondamendment; teapartyvictimhood; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 04/11/2013 2:28:40 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Send them all home permanently


2 posted on 04/11/2013 2:31:44 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Republicans proving once again that voting for them is not much different than voting Democrat.


3 posted on 04/11/2013 2:33:33 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: JohnPDuncan

When you are elected to Congress as a Republican you are required to take a secret oath to “The Club” and to foresake any conservative principles for the good of the Club.

Oh - the rules for The Club are established by the Democrat members exclusively.

The Republican members of the club are more interested in listening to Club Auxiliaries like Karl Rove and Bill O’Reilly than people like you.

So don’t be upset when these elected Republicans jump ship. They are working for the Club, not you.


4 posted on 04/11/2013 2:35:13 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: JohnPDuncan
Voting on the record is the way to go here.

If we lose, we know it is time to take up arms. If we win, we know who to fire (at).

5 posted on 04/11/2013 2:35:43 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Demarica: Land of the need, home of the slave!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

It was suggested on another blog that this could be a political chess move. Force Democrats from pro-gun states into a corner. If they vote “Aye” on the actual bill, they risk losing their seats in 2014. Your mileage may vary.


6 posted on 04/11/2013 2:36:00 PM PDT by eaglescout1998
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To: JohnPDuncan

All of the need to be defeated in the next primary. I am sick and tired of voting for people who stab us in the back.
If any of the candidates make it past the next primary, vote third party or write-in.


7 posted on 04/11/2013 2:36:46 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: JohnPDuncan
This bill is worse than any ban on some specific models or types of guns. It's a huge foot in the door to trash the 4th Amend., the 5th Amend. and the 10th Amend. as well as the 2nd Amend. Was all of this gun control demagoguery really just a Trojan Horse to sneak this Bill of Rights killer into law?

The Toomey-Manchin Kill The Bill of Rights Bill.

TITLE ONE: GETTING ALL THE NAMES OF PROHIBITED PURCHASERS INTO THE BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM

Summary of Title I: This section improves background checks for firearms by strengthening the instant check system.

- Encourage states to provide all their available records to NICS by restricting federal funds to states who do not comply.

By "all their available records" just what records are they blackmailing states for with that statist bilge water? "All" is a pretty big word when only a very few records are applicable to denying someone their right to keep and bear arms.

- Allow dealers to voluntarily use the NICS database to run background checks on their prospective employees.

Does that means dealers can run NICS checks on prospective employees without their knowledge or consent? I have no idea what the word 'voluntarily' means there. Does it mean dealers will be allowed to not run NICS checks if they prefer not to?

- Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).

Submissions of mental health records? Since when has it been legal to deny any American their rights without due process? Isn't it required that a person be adjudicated mentally deficient by a court of law to do that? Mental health records are entirely irrelevant except to those court proceedings. This bill sounds like Stalinist purge material.

- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.

Is that an admission that the Bill of Rights doesn't cover veterans or an admission that it doesn't cover anyone anymore?

8 posted on 04/11/2013 2:37:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

why is it that “Republicans” seem to ... so often ... screw us !?

let’s replace these people, they plainly don’t give a hoot about their oath of office anyway....


9 posted on 04/11/2013 2:38:48 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: eaglescout1998

That’s a silly argument. Having this bill on the floor is a nightmare. They will amend it to ban weapons and the Newtown relatives will be on your TV weeping all weekend.

The president will demand weapons bans and ammo restrictions. This is anti-2nd amendment and dangerous. The idea was to kill it as soon as possible. Who gives a crap about the Dems.


10 posted on 04/11/2013 2:43:15 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: GeronL

Conservative representation in Congress is virtually nil, while homosexuals which comprise somewhere in the 2-3% range of the population have managed to set the daily agenda in DC.


11 posted on 04/11/2013 2:51:39 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: JohnPDuncan

Up for debate is exactly what they think, and they ought to be sent home permanently, the Second Amendment is plainspoken and not open for debate or the whims of democrats or RINOs.


12 posted on 04/11/2013 2:52:57 PM PDT by izzatzo (NO MORE BUSHES!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Well, now is the time to start getting the word out and getting THEM out of office, as well as getting the rabid anti freedom dems booted out as well.


13 posted on 04/11/2013 2:54:26 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: JohnPDuncan

I agree, but it is one of the theories out there. Personally, I am sick of “strategic” moves by the GOP. It usually comes back to bite them.


14 posted on 04/11/2013 2:54:41 PM PDT by eaglescout1998
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To: SpaceBar
homosexuals which comprise somewhere in the 2-3% range of the population have managed to set the daily agenda in DC.

It's probably less than that.

15 posted on 04/11/2013 2:55:11 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: JohnPDuncan

A lot of familiar names on the list...


16 posted on 04/11/2013 3:04:06 PM PDT by BushCountry (What does it matter now!!)
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To: GeronL

“Send them all home permanently”

I was saying that in 1998 about two of them...Chambliss and Isakson. They along with the rest of the Georgia delegation then in the house wrote a letter to the Clinton administration demanding they STOP workplace enforcement of illegal aliens because it was ticking of their big Vidalia Onion contributors.

Just think...Clinton actually tried to enforce the law, and a bunch of selfish republicans gave him an excuse not to...how’s that for irony? And what a smaller problem we’d have today, if we’d kept enforcing it.

And all these years later, here they are promoted to the Senate. Wow. And still causing damage.


17 posted on 04/11/2013 3:07:46 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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18 posted on 04/11/2013 3:09:55 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: oldbill

” When you are elected to Congress as a Republican you are required to take a secret oath to “The Club” and to foresake any conservative principles for the good of the Club.”

Is that the DMR club?

Democrats masquerading as Republicans.


19 posted on 04/11/2013 3:11:00 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

I don’t really see a downside to “debating” the second amendment. It will put those who oppose our constitutional rights on record and help us prioritize our target list. That includes some that we may mistakenly think of as “our own”.


20 posted on 04/11/2013 3:14:42 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

We play the victim as often as Al Sharpton does.

We have no representation- get over it.

Its up to us , to not someone else. its up to us the retake the nation.


21 posted on 04/11/2013 3:19:24 PM PDT by NoLibZone (History teaches us that every nation's electoral process is as free & fair as its press.)
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To: JohnPDuncan; All
Here's Justice Joseph Story's clarification of 2nd Amendment.
"§ 1890. The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers (emphases added); and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights." --Joseph Story, Amendment II, Commentaries on the Constitution 3.

I find Justice Story's Commentaries to be good time capsule which indicates how the Founding States intended for the Constitution to be understood.

22 posted on 04/11/2013 3:22:34 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: JohnPDuncan

Wherever you find republicans bending over for democrats you will find the three mouseketeers.

Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Pat Toomey.


23 posted on 04/11/2013 3:26:44 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Saxby Chambliss is a disgrace to the State of Georgia.


24 posted on 04/11/2013 3:29:49 PM PDT by Student0165
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To: JohnPDuncan

Since nobody seems interested in joining me for holding a mass necktie party in D.C. I guess I’ll just forget about the idea for now.


25 posted on 04/11/2013 3:30:57 PM PDT by EricT.
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To: JohnPDuncan

Mark Levin is calling them out by name and says to never support them again in any way. It is time to remove them and fight. From the bottom up at the grassroots. Not from the top down.


26 posted on 04/11/2013 3:42:00 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: eaglescout1998

I guess you’re not much of a Karl Rove fan.


27 posted on 04/11/2013 3:45:35 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: JohnPDuncan
This is the second time Wicker has gone with Obama instead of his constituents. I hope the people of NE Mississippi are watching and paying attention.
28 posted on 04/11/2013 3:47:14 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: sheikdetailfeather

He’s done a great job naming and shaming them.


29 posted on 04/11/2013 3:52:35 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

it seems to me that the NRA should immediately strip these people of any favorable grade they had before this vote.


30 posted on 04/11/2013 4:01:13 PM PDT by 1st Division guy
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To: JohnPDuncan

Anyone see that Toomey/Manchin Amendment yet? Senate idiots vote on legislation before they even see it.


31 posted on 04/11/2013 4:01:53 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: JohnPDuncan

Mike Lee was just on Mark Levin and said everyone should leave their comments on this site about the 2nd amendment.

http://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=0445992a-4a78-48fd-972c-67b31cb7dc74


32 posted on 04/11/2013 4:02:37 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Amendment10

They came for the guns in Britain and the Brits rolled over. They came for the guns in Australia and the Aussies rolled over. Are Americans different? We will someday soon find out.


33 posted on 04/11/2013 4:10:33 PM PDT by ez (Laws are for little people. Criminals, politicians, police, and David Gregory are exempt.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Revolt is coming.


34 posted on 04/11/2013 4:15:19 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

People will simply hide their guns.


35 posted on 04/11/2013 4:15:55 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: faithhopecharity

Great idea and impossible goal, at least through the usual political process.

The problem is that most voters have short memory and even many conservatives will re-elect the Pol that brings home the goodies.

We are approaching the diminishing point for democracies at our 235+ years. Our Representative Republic was night and day better than any other form of government. If we are smart our next try will be even better as the result of learning from our mistakes.


36 posted on 04/11/2013 4:17:24 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Flake y McCain. I’ve got a couple of lowlife Nazis for Senators. They are all in for ObamaCare, amnesty, gun control and anything else for which Barry Soetoro will buy them a free dinner in order to get their support.


37 posted on 04/11/2013 4:22:29 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: X-spurt

You’re probably right (but I doubt I’ll be around to see the next version)


38 posted on 04/11/2013 4:24:52 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: JohnPDuncan

How many of these sixteen were at dinner last night with Obama?


39 posted on 04/11/2013 4:38:21 PM PDT by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Liars, traitors, fools and whores.


40 posted on 04/11/2013 4:46:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Liars, traitors, fools and whores.

Not necessarily in that order...

41 posted on 04/11/2013 5:00:41 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: JohnPDuncan

First off, Mark Kirk (IL) is not a Republican. Oh, he ran as a Republican, and has an R after his name, but his voting record is to the left of many Democrats. Trust me on this: If he gets a Republican challenger when he comes up for re-election he will switch parties and run as a Dim. That’s if he doesn’t change parties before then (ala Arlen Spector).

There really is no difference at all between Mark Kirk and Dick Durbin. They are just twin sons of different mothers.


42 posted on 04/11/2013 5:02:50 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: eaglescout1998
It was suggested on another blog that this could be a political chess move.

Gee. I've never heard that lame excuse for Republican betrayal before.

Get real. These GOP creeps want to disarm us as much as their Democrat pals do.

The only strategy they have to come up with is how to piss on the rank-and-file Republicans and have the rubes believe it's rain.

43 posted on 04/11/2013 5:45:29 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: JohnPDuncan

Is anybody else just tired of this BS? They are all the same doesn’t matter that they put on little shows for the masses to oooh and aaahh over.


44 posted on 04/11/2013 5:52:43 PM PDT by marygam (I have extra ducktape for anyone who needs to wrap their head.)
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To: faithhopecharity

Heck it might become necessary in 2016.

Am seeing lots of increasing signs that Texas is getting ready. Give Texas our gold back, flipping nobama the bird, Perry pushing all the right buttons.


45 posted on 04/11/2013 6:12:52 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: X-spurt

ha. wonder if maybe Texas might still split itself into 5 “conveniently sized states” (and thusly send a total of 10 to the US Senate)? it is in the admission to statehood agreement


46 posted on 04/11/2013 6:16:58 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: faithhopecharity

Naw, its going to be a “see ya later”.


47 posted on 04/11/2013 6:20:09 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: X-spurt

yeah, well... Tx could probably do it ...


48 posted on 04/11/2013 6:22:44 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: JohnPDuncan

Nope. He has done a great job of naming them. They cannot be shamed. They have mo principles and bad morals along with bad character and no shame.


49 posted on 04/11/2013 6:36:16 PM PDT by sport
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To: JohnPDuncan

The Republicans are actively trying to weed out conservatives. Obviously, we as conservatives have no voice anymore and this vote just proves it.

Time for a third party.


50 posted on 04/11/2013 8:16:44 PM PDT by DNME (If it is time to bury your guns, perhaps it is time to take them out and use them instead.)
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