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Why Are the Feds Trying to Identify All Gun Owners in Missouri? (Just concealed carry!)
National Review Online ^ | April 11, 2013 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 04/11/2013 2:37:49 PM PDT by neverdem

They keep telling you they have noting but good intentions, that to worry about the feds coming for your guns makes you part of “the black helicopter crowd.” But then things like this happen: In Missouri, federal investigators have demanded and obtained from the state government — apparently twice — the entire list of Missouri concealed weapon permit holders.

As Matt Drudge notes, the Columbia Daily Tribune reports that in November 2011 and January 2012, the state highway patrol asked for and received the list of about 185,000 concealed weapon permit holders from the motor vehicle department — the only state agency to store all the names, because an indication that one is a permit holder is noted on driver’s licenses. The information is supposed to be held confidentially by the state, but it was turned over — once on-line, once on a disk — to the highway police, which then proceeded to share it with the federal Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General. State senators trying to get to the bottom of what happened, have been told there was no written request for the information. The state highway patrol says, “The information was provided to law enforcement for law enforcement investigative purposes” — not a very enlightening explanation of why every single licensed concealed weapon owner needed to be investigated by state and federal police. 

Rob Schaaf, a Republican state senator who is pursuing the matters summed it up this way: “Now we know two things. We know that somebody out there, probably in the federal government, wants the list of all the concealed carry holders in Missouri. We know that now. We know one other piece of information – we know the [highway patrol] department is actively and purposefully concealing that information from us.”



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; guncontrol; missouri; mo; robschaaf; secondamendment
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1 posted on 04/11/2013 2:37:49 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Silly question.

The feds are trying to identify and track all gun owners everywhere.

Better believe that there’s a plan on the hussein drawing board somewhere to confiscate them ALL.


2 posted on 04/11/2013 2:44:42 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: neverdem

Denver and Kansas City are the alternate capitols of the United States should anything happen to Washington, DC.


3 posted on 04/11/2013 2:47:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: neverdem

Michael Steele, call your office.


4 posted on 04/11/2013 2:47:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!n)
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To: neverdem

I have no doubt that the same state officials and bureaucrats in the MO Highway Patrol and Department of Revenue would rush in front of the cameras should any of the little people violate a state privacy law. These officials would want to be first to show the public how diligently they are upholding state law and protecting the public.

Over the last few years, we have had far too many cases of the governing class giving themselves a David Gregory while making sure the laws were vigorously enforced for the little people.

It is time for this outrage to end, and we have as good a case as it gets for some indictments and convictions insulting the rights of the citizens, for whom these overlords presume to work. Shame on them, they seem so hell-bent to complete the Socialist Agenda that no law restrains them.


5 posted on 04/11/2013 2:48:59 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are some that might like to see that plan tested. ;>)


6 posted on 04/11/2013 2:52:03 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: neverdem
Why Are the Feds Trying to Identify All Gun Owners in Missouri?

So they can cross-reference them with HIPAA records later on?

- Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).

7 posted on 04/11/2013 2:57:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Jack Hammer

Well, as a smart guy said to me ... so they know you own guns, do you think they will come to get you at home? How dumb is LE (fed or local). Hell no, they will stop you for some reason and find that they need to detain you for some reason and then FEMA camp or something.

Why do they want concealed carry holders ... pretty simple to answer given the above.

You are only paranoid if you don’t really have enemies.


8 posted on 04/11/2013 3:00:41 PM PDT by GOPBiker (Thank a veteran, with a smile, every chance you get. You do more good than you can know.)
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To: TigersEye
Tiger, linkee no workee.

Would love to read it. Can you try again please?

9 posted on 04/11/2013 3:03:08 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: neverdem

For the same reason that the National Socialists in Germany identified anyone of Jewish ancestry. I know that the people here do not believe that. But neither did the Jews until it was too late.


10 posted on 04/11/2013 3:03:54 PM PDT by sport
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11 posted on 04/11/2013 3:04:16 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: neverdem

Looking for Henry Bowman.


12 posted on 04/11/2013 3:13:16 PM PDT by grobdriver
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To: suijuris
Oops!

- Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).

More better I hope. ;-)

13 posted on 04/11/2013 3:13:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
Thanks!
14 posted on 04/11/2013 3:17:55 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: suijuris

Thank you for pointing out the problem.


15 posted on 04/11/2013 3:21:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: neverdem
Missouri Secretly Shares Entire CCW List With Feds Against State Law
RedState
By: Dana Loesch (Diary) | April 10th, 2013 at 09:13 PM | 28
“Apparently from what I understand, they wanted to match up anyone who had a mental diagnosis or disability with also having a concealed carry license,” [Missouri State Senator Kurt] Schaefer said. “What I am told is there is no written request for that information.”


16 posted on 04/11/2013 3:30:51 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: TigersEye
Yep. See comment #16.


17 posted on 04/11/2013 3:33:41 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

So much for due process. They don’t even pretend that we have any rights anymore.


18 posted on 04/11/2013 3:37:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: neverdem

All they have to do is ask and the Missouri bureaucrats roll over and wag their tails? Where’s the authority for this?


19 posted on 04/11/2013 3:43:53 PM PDT by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Just another Joe; darrellmaurina; greeneyes; DoctorBulldog; UCANSEE2; ez; ronnyquest; ...
It's time to push for Constitutional carry nationwide, i.e. no permits or licenses are required to carry concealed, among a bunch of other unrelated initiatives, e.g. green energy BS, Common Core, immigration reform, actual gun grabbing in blue states, etc.

We have to get just as organized as the left and push back. They are pushing on so many different fronts, it's almost making me dizzy.

What's with the Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General getting those names from Missouri? I heard a story from upstate NY via FReepmail. Here:

"A local judge around here suspended a permit because the elderly man accidentally burned his pant leg while starting a fire in the wood stove, on the premise it was a sign of dementia"

Are the feds going to be making presumptive diagnoses of dementia based on age, and then say you're too old to have firearms?

GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION CLEARS HURDLE — WITH GOP HELP

Those RINOs must be primaried. Let me know if you want off my list via FReepmail please. This outrage in Missouri needs to be known far and wide, IMHO.

20 posted on 04/11/2013 3:53:28 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

People will simply hide their guns.


21 posted on 04/11/2013 3:54:40 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Jack Hammer

Please see post number 21.


22 posted on 04/11/2013 3:55:21 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: familyop; TigersEye; suijuris

Thanks for the links.


23 posted on 04/11/2013 4:03:17 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: TigersEye
"So much for due process. They don’t even pretend that we have any rights anymore."

They had plenty of practice against fathers and families during the '80s and '90s with the support of government, business and academic leaders. Now, it's everyone else's turn.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide. And BTW, I know who "they" are. Most people involved in politics have no idea.


24 posted on 04/11/2013 4:03:18 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop
Sooner or later everybody gets their turn in the barrel.

"I'm not divorcee father so I didn't say anything."

"I'm not a smoker so I didn't say anything."

"I'm not a gun owner so I didn't say anything."

Wake up, people! Government does not stop until the people stop it.

25 posted on 04/11/2013 4:09:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: neverdem
Thanks, neverdem.

Your activism and political passion are always appreciated.

Re: “Are the feds going to be making presumptive diagnoses of dementia based on age, and then say you're too old to have firearms?”

I'd be in favor of presumptive diagnoses for criminal behavior.

If they disarmed all Black males, America's murder and robbery rate would drop by 50%.

26 posted on 04/11/2013 4:12:39 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: neverdem

The House of Representatives should gut this bill and change it so that it applies only the VOTER ID requirements, and NOT to gun control.


27 posted on 04/11/2013 4:13:14 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: neverdem

Prosecute the State Patrol involved, put them in jail!


28 posted on 04/11/2013 4:13:24 PM PDT by nomad
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To: neverdem

Bttt.


29 posted on 04/11/2013 4:16:57 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: neverdem

“He must move inexhaustibly from one issue to the next . Change is brought about through relentless agitation and of a kind that radically disrupts society.”
Alinsky Rules for Radicals


30 posted on 04/11/2013 4:18:57 PM PDT by lucky american (The Democrats will follow the big "D"even if it means going over a cliff.)
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To: neverdem

FTP


31 posted on 04/11/2013 4:20:29 PM PDT by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: neverdem
It's time to push for Constitutional carry nationwide, i.e. no permits or licenses are required to carry concealed, among a bunch of other unrelated initiatives, e.g. green energy BS, Common Core, immigration reform, actual gun grabbing in blue states, etc. We have to get just as organized as the left and push back.

Agreed. If we don't successfully fight them within the system now, we'll be fighting them in the streets, later.

32 posted on 04/11/2013 4:20:57 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: neverdem
A local judge around here suspended a permit because the elderly man accidentally burned his pant leg while starting a fire in the wood stove, on the premise it was a sign of dementia"

There will no end of excuses and duplicitous behavior aimed at denying Americans their 2nd Amendment rights. Up next; Americans' 1st Amendment rights. The looters will not stop until all the Bill of Rights are wiped off the face of the Earth.

33 posted on 04/11/2013 4:24:35 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: neverdem
Why Are the Feds Trying to Identify All Gun Owners in Missouri?

Because they're fascist tyrants too arrogant and power-hungry to realize that 99.99% of our lives is none of their effing business?

34 posted on 04/11/2013 4:32:37 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: neverdem

Missouri Democrat governor Jay Nixon is MIA on the issue.


35 posted on 04/11/2013 4:43:10 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: neverdem

“This year will go down in history for the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.”

Adolph Hitler (1935 Weapons Act of Nazi Germany)


36 posted on 04/11/2013 4:44:16 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( There's Two Choices. Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered.)
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To: neverdem

We had a vote here in KS about guns and the mentally ill and people voted that even the mentally ill have a right to defend themselves. Even my obama loving colleague voted that way.


37 posted on 04/11/2013 4:45:20 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: neverdem

I agree. Time to push legislation everywhere and on all topics. Keep the leftards busy and exhaust them.


38 posted on 04/11/2013 4:45:48 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: neverdem

Liars, traitors, fools and whores.


39 posted on 04/11/2013 4:47:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: neverdem

There is ONE solution at this point... as I am sure many of you have identified. Sell all your licensed firearms... and allow all your permits and licenses to expire.

Buy guns like criminals do.

You are now a criminal.


40 posted on 04/11/2013 4:52:36 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: TigersEye

Well said.


41 posted on 04/11/2013 4:59:29 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: neverdem
This outrage in Missouri needs to be known far and wide, IMHO.

I've been posting it on every Yahoo comments section dealing with the proposed gun laws.

Thanks for the elderly man bit in New York - will somehow work that in as well.

42 posted on 04/11/2013 5:00:48 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: neverdem

Stop playing defense and bring on the offense.

I like it.


43 posted on 04/11/2013 5:12:11 PM PDT by DManA
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To: nomad
"Prosecute the State Patrol involved, put them in jail!"

Why? Did they offend a board member of a bank?


44 posted on 04/11/2013 5:19:06 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: zeestephen; neverdem
Thank you for pinging me to this, neverdem. This **IS** an outrage, and as a Missourian, I intend to ask my state legislators about this.

Our former House member was strongly pro-gun with a good track record fighting the last Missouri law enforcement outrage a few years ago with identifying “extremists” by their bumper stickers supporting certain Republican candidates. Our new House member probably agrees with him on everything, but he's been in office barely three months and has limited influence. Sometimes term limits hurt conservatives, too.

26 posted on 4/11/2013 6:12:39 PM by zeestephen: “I'd be in favor of presumptive diagnoses for criminal behavior. If they disarmed all Black males, America's murder and robbery rate would drop by 50%.”

No, no, and no!

I realize you're probably kidding. But the Second Amendment applies to **ALL** Americans, regardless of race or politics. We need to remember that.

An inner-city black gun owner, regardless of who he votes for, is just as much of an American citizen as any white rural or suburban gun owner.

45 posted on 04/11/2013 5:19:32 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: neverdem
They keep telling you they have noting but good intentions, that to worry about the feds coming for your guns makes you part of “the black helicopter crowd.”

When they start abusing you really hard, you know you must be getting close. When you actually get thrown in jail, bingo, that's because you've finally connected and they need to stigmatize you as a criminal to protect themselves (see "Bill Clinton: Political Career" in Wiki).

Of course, there's one more step. (See "Arkancide".)

46 posted on 04/11/2013 5:26:00 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem

It has become clear my answer to any question coming from government agents of any stripe, or anyone collecting any information which may be reported to any government agent will be, “I have the right to remain silent as anything I say can and will be held against me in a court of law. I have the right to speak with an attorney and to have the attorney present during questioning. If I so desire and cannot afford one, an attorney will be appointed to me before questioning. I am not waiving those rights.” A submission of a document containg that statement, signed and notarized, would fulfill the same purpose.

Remember if you should decide to take this advice that I am not an attorney nor have I played one in any television or film production. (I did tell Joe Pesci to “Get out of the truck.” I have, however, slept at a Holiday Inn or two.


47 posted on 04/11/2013 5:26:32 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: neverdem

My Dad, who is nearly 96 years old and lives with us, shot a wild turkey (with a pistol) in our back acreage yesterday. I’m roasting it this weekend. I will challenge anyone who tries to take his guns away. He can’t remember what he had for breakfast, but he knows and respects his weapons. And so do I.


48 posted on 04/11/2013 5:27:41 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Jack Hammer
Better believe that there’s a plan on the hussein drawing board somewhere to confiscate them ALL.

We never more seriously needed a real patriot to stand up and deliver that document .....

I really miss Breitbart. (And I'll always wonder ... )

49 posted on 04/11/2013 5:29:35 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: chulaivn66

) End parenthesis omitted intentionally to allow criticism by the grammar nazis.


50 posted on 04/11/2013 5:29:40 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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