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Sen. Mike Lee blasts ‘closed-door backroom deals’ on gun bill; demands full text
The Washington Examiner ^ | April 11, 2013 | 10:47 am | Charlie Spiering

Posted on 04/11/2013 8:16:44 PM PDT by Red Steel

On the Senate floor moments ago, Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, reminded his colleagues that they still didn’t have the full text of the gun control bill they were about to vote on.

Lee explained that the text of the background check compromise proposed by Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., and Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., on Wednesday had still not been revealed.

“As of this morning, as of this very moment, not a single senator has been provided with the legislative text of that very provision.” Lee stated, reminding his colleagues that the provision was the “heart” of the bill.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News
KEYWORDS: banglist; banlist; guncontrol; secondamendment
So where is it Toomey and Manchin? Idiots in the Senate vote on things that they haven't even read.
1 posted on 04/11/2013 8:16:44 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

If this thing passes on the basis of “I don’t know what it says but the Party is behind it so it’s OK” then we will, at last, have arrived at a dictatorship.


2 posted on 04/11/2013 8:20:02 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Red Steel; Joe Brower; marktwain; neverdem; Nachum; MestaMachine

Liars, traitors, whores and fools.


3 posted on 04/11/2013 8:29:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Billthedrill

Our so-called legislative process has been hijacked and corrupted by secretive language, rushed schedules, and “gangs” of like-minded politicians instead of being conducted in an open and transparent process through hearings and votes. The Founding Fathers must be rolling over in their graves.


4 posted on 04/11/2013 8:29:56 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Red Steel

Well, we already know why the text is not available. They are hiding it and these azzholes are going to vote on it anyway.

After they pass it so we can see what is in it, and we find out the betrayal, they will cry foul. But it will be too late. The creeps think that will cover their treachery.


5 posted on 04/11/2013 8:30:35 PM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: Travis McGee

“We’ll have to pass it to see what’s in it.”


6 posted on 04/11/2013 8:33:45 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Billthedrill

If this thing passes on the basis of “I don’t know what it says but the Party is behind it so it’s OK” then we will, at last, have arrived at a dictatorship.


I think we’re already there. The Republicans are simply going through the motions to make it appear otherwise.

They’ve all been threatened and are compromised. They can make worthless noises but they’d better not cross the line. IMO


7 posted on 04/11/2013 9:01:18 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Red Steel

So, Senator Lee, are you going to call people out by their names and call them traitors? If not, I don’t wanta’ hear it.


8 posted on 04/11/2013 9:12:50 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Red Steel
Idiots in the Senate vote on things that they haven't even read.

They aren't idiots. They know its a disarmament law and they want to disarm the American people. They are hiding the bill from the American people.

9 posted on 04/11/2013 9:19:25 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Billthedrill
Looks like we may very well have to do this thing after all.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

10 posted on 04/11/2013 9:39:18 PM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! www.7161.com/streamer.cfm?dt_track_id=21356)
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To: Red Steel
The Toomey-Manchin Kill The Bill of Rights Bill.

TITLE ONE: GETTING ALL THE NAMES OF PROHIBITED PURCHASERS INTO THE BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM

Summary of Title I: This section improves background checks for firearms by strengthening the instant check system.

- Encourage states to provide all their available records to NICS by restricting federal funds to states who do not comply.

By "all their available records" just what records are they blackmailing states for with that statist bilge water? "All" is a pretty big word when only a very few records are applicable to denying someone their right to keep and bear arms.

- Allow dealers to voluntarily use the NICS database to run background checks on their prospective employees.

Does that means dealers can run NICS checks on prospective employees without their knowledge or consent? I have no idea what the word 'voluntarily' means there. Does it mean dealers will be allowed to not run NICS checks if they prefer not to?

- Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).

Submissions of mental health records? Since when has it been legal to deny any American their rights without due process? Isn't it required that a person be adjudicated mentally deficient by a court of law to do that? Mental health records are entirely irrelevant except to those court proceedings. This bill sounds like Stalinist purge material.

- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.

Is that an admission that the Bill of Rights doesn't cover veterans or an admission that it doesn't cover anyone anymore?

This bill is worse than any ban on some specific models or types of guns. It's a huge foot in the door to trash the 4th Amend., the 5th Amend. and the 10th Amend. as well as the 2nd Amend. Was all of this gun control demagoguery really just a Trojan Horse to sneak this Bill of Rights killer into law?

11 posted on 04/11/2013 9:43:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Travis McGee

God be with you my senator!

Mike Lee is our gift. Would there be more like him? Hell yes. I can see 2014 from Utah!


12 posted on 04/11/2013 9:47:06 PM PDT by glock rocks (No, the game never ends, when your whole world depends, on the turn of a friendy card.)
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To: Red Steel

It’s not yet written.

Wait till we see the monstrosity.

1500 pages? More?


13 posted on 04/11/2013 9:53:34 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: glock rocks

You have one of the best, glock!

Ted Cruz of Texas is the other.


14 posted on 04/11/2013 9:54:18 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Red Steel

Good for Lee. Toomey has drunk the kook-aid.....may his punishment be appropriate. What the heck is it about the so called republicans in Pennsylvania????


15 posted on 04/11/2013 9:57:45 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Red Steel
This was what outraged me early this morning when I heard. It was bad to see the ones cross over with the democrats; then once we knew they had not even read the bill nor had the bill been presented to all of the senators, making me see they are ruling with arrogance. Those Georgia boys got a lot of explaining to do.
16 posted on 04/11/2013 10:38:40 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Red Steel

Why do any of you doubt the GOP and their spokesmen? Don’t you know that they are doing their best for America?

Okay, that was just a joke, the GOP is a major part of the problem but you have to realize that to understand it.


17 posted on 04/11/2013 10:43:30 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: Deagle
My take on this is that the Dems are expecting to produce something, but they want to take a lot of time getting there, and they want to be able to appear to have made concessions (to support those in tough re-election fights in 2014), and they want to rack up a lot of floor debate time. Absent a Tsunami or a major celebrity death, this is going to be front and center in the news for the next 10 days. So, I would recommend that the GOP withdraw all amendments, sit on their hands and let the entire amalgam pass with only Dem and Rino votes. The issue gets out of the spotlight fast and then the House can reject it, Game over.
18 posted on 04/11/2013 11:01:43 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Excellent reply! I just hope you are right but I have much more negative thoughts, not uncommon for me.

I’d guess that you bank your outcomes on the GOP actually doing what they are expected to do - a major fault!

Otherwise, your statements are correct. If this outcome becomes other than I’d expect, I will be not only amazed but flabbergasted!

And not to any thanks to the GOP and their limited understanding of their actions. They seem to not know any better...


19 posted on 04/11/2013 11:09:40 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: Red Steel
Well the language is available.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/posted-full-text-public-safety-and-second-amendment-rights-protection-act_716249.html

My view is there is conflicting language the will allow judges to determine what the law means. Considering how liberal many judges are, I see potentially bad news for those that hold the second amendment dear.

In particular there is a lot of confused language regarding transfers. (more on this later). I am certain that Toomey and his staff hoped that the following language would solve and bad language.

“...SEC. 129. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.
Nothing in this subtitle, or an amendment made by this subtitle, shall be construed-
(1) to extend background check requirements to transfers other than those made at gun shows or on the curtilage thereof, or pursuant to an advertisement, posting, display, or other listing on the Internet or in a publication by the transferor of the intent of the transferor to transfer, or the transferee of the intent of the transferee to acquire, the firearm; or
(2) to extend background check requirements to temporary transfers for purposes including lawful hunting or sporting or to temporary possession of a firearm for purposes of examination or evaluation by a prospective transferee....”

One of the things that I find troubling is that firearms transported interstate must be unloaded and not accessible to to the driver. If a concealed carry holder has a valid license in two neighboring states, he should be allowed to carry while driving, but this federal law could trump state laws.

I am also concerned that the temporary transfer exemption for safety training, shooting competitions, hunting and trapping is really not well spelled out.

Another problem I see is the potential price of the transfer check. I don't trust the AG to be reasonable.

I will urge my legislators to oppose passage.

20 posted on 04/11/2013 11:20:10 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Robert357

Oh yeah, in this day and age, I depend upon my judges to make the rational decision...where have you been lately?


21 posted on 04/11/2013 11:49:25 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: Red Steel
We can't allow the Senate to approve a bill they haven't read. The bastards are trying to do that with the gun and immigration bills. They didn't learn the hard lesson that is "Obamacare" today. Don't repeat the error. Better yet, take both bills to the shredder. We have enough laws on the books already.
22 posted on 04/12/2013 12:08:21 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Deagle

Heh, maybe a bit left of center? Out future is in the balance and these judges think far left. Where does that leave us? Screwed comes to mind.

Our Constitution is only as valid as we are able to defend it and it seems that it is coming faster than I would have ever thought. Good luck to us - the remaining folks that will actually defend the Constitution. Seems to be getting smaller these days.


23 posted on 04/12/2013 12:09:15 AM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: Travis McGee
Where are the Somali pirates when you need them?
24 posted on 04/12/2013 12:11:53 AM PDT by kitchen (Make plans and prepare. You'll never have trouble if you're ready for it. - TR)
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To: kitchen
“Idiots in the Senate vote on things that they haven't even read.”...

Seems that was going around when “OdumboCare” got railroaded through too. Hmmmmmmmmm?

25 posted on 04/12/2013 3:06:59 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for HONEST government)
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To: Nifster

What is it about the Republicans everywhere? They stand for NOTHING. Oh, they pay lip service to “principles” but they a) don’t believe in them and b) never really defend them. They are too busy currying favor with their “good friends across the aisle”.

Outside of a few who (so far) have not sold out the people, the whole bunch of them are traitors. I do not use that term lightly. Anyone who does not uphold the oath of office is a traitor.

“We’re surrounded. That simplifies the problem!” CHESTY PULLER, USMC


26 posted on 04/12/2013 3:32:52 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Progov

Progov ~:” “Idiots in the Senate vote on things that they haven’t even read.”...
Seems that was going around when “OdumboCare” got railroaded through too. Hmmmmmmmmm? “

Legislate without reading the bill.
Agreed ,.. that’s how OdumboCare got passed , and look at what an unworkable disaster that is now !
It got passed to reduce medical costs..
INSTEAD , premiums are expected to be RAISED 32 % nationwide.

The “Devil is in the details” concept resulted in a 12 foot high pile of administrative ‘guidance’
that was never in the OdumboCare bill.


27 posted on 04/12/2013 4:27:35 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ("Political correctness is tyranny with manners." - Charlton Heston)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Even spineless John McLame said that the Senate should debate pending legislation ,
but how do you debate an argument when you don’t even know what the legislative argument is about ?

All that I care to know is :
The Second Amendment protects ‘God-given rights’
How dare anyone in the Senate legislate against those ‘God-given rights’ ??
Do they consider themselves above God ?


28 posted on 04/12/2013 4:36:13 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ("Political correctness is tyranny with manners." - Charlton Heston)
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To: Red Steel

Mike you crazy kid don’t you know you have to vote for the bill in order to see what’s in it?


29 posted on 04/12/2013 8:41:30 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Robert357
Thanks for the link. I've scanned the Toomey/Manchin proposed text and it appears to be watered down vs. Dingy Harry's garbage.

One of the things that I find troubling is that firearms transported interstate must be unloaded and not accessible to to the driver. If a concealed carry holder has a valid license in two neighboring states, he should be allowed to carry while driving, but this federal law could trump state laws.

Right, and many states have open carry and people can have loaded firearms in their vehicles.

30 posted on 04/12/2013 9:28:58 AM PDT by Red Steel
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31 posted on 04/12/2013 9:50:18 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: NTHockey

no disagreement here....


32 posted on 04/12/2013 3:04:55 PM PDT by Nifster
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