Skip to comments.Feinstein reintroduces AWB as amendment to Manchin/Toomey bill
Posted on 04/12/2013 10:30:14 AM PDT by backpacker_c
While most in the media have harped the bipartisan compromise concerning universal background checks by manchin and toomey, little notice has been given to the fact that feinstein has reintroduced her assault weapon ban as amendments to the manchin/toomey bill.
To see the amendments, go to thomas.loc.gov at the url posted. Then go to 'amendments'. Next, click on each amendment (e.g.711), then 'text of amendment as submitted' to see text of the amendment.
Well of course she does. She wouldn’t be doing her masters bidding if she didn’t. No surprise here. Can you order up a security detail whenever you feel the need? I can. Llama .38 super. Boo yah!
Did Feinswine pass the sixth grade yet?
Manchin/Toomey sounds simple, but has some real unintended consequences (actually probably intended). Now we start adding amedments and we will be doubly screwed.
We don’t have a gun problem. We have a criminal management problem. The 2A wasn’t written to be contingent on future crime statistics.
The pubbies should vote yes on it. That way the bill will be unpassable when voting on the full bill. There are too many dumbocrats (including Joe Manchin) who could not vote for an AWB without being unemployed the next time they are up for re-election.
No more laws, period.
Its not about safety, its about control.
Good strategy idea. Maybe they should have tried this with O'CommieCare.
opps... did search and it didn’t come up. thanks for the info.
Anyway, I think it’s important to spread the word to other firearm forums, so it doesn’t surprise anyone that feinstein is trying to do an end run around the legislative process.
Long live .38 Super/Comp. Yeah baby!
Gee, this is such a surprise! /s
This post is more concise, it’s not really a dupe.
Good for her. It ensures that the whole thing will go down in flames!
It shakes, rattles, makes all kind of funny noises but man does it shoot. Only problem is that it is so old that it’s hard to find additional mags for it. Me likey!
Kill it with FIRE!!!!
if we’d simply take care of armed violent criminals the way we did not too long ago, we’d never have repeat offenders. was extremely cost effective as well. rope. tree. a bullet. little electricity.
I was not complaining, just providing a link to the actual language of the amendments. The language matters, and what the press is reporting is somewhat different that what the actual amendments say.
Feinswine’s AWB will be the killer amendment & the senile commie doesn’t even realize it.
At least I hope so.
I’ll need to re-post the text as more amendments come in. Unlless someone beats me to it!
The management is criminal, that is right.
Good. That will absolutely prevent it from passing at all.
It is clear to me that the enemy within sees us as clawless, toothless lions.
We make noise, we even roar, but they see us as harmless and they know that we will eventually find our way under a tree and take a nap.
They may be right.
That'll never pass.
Never underestimate the radical left wing extremist demokkkrat scumbag socialst pigs to sneak something in during the dead of night. Just like rust never sleeps, RLWEDSS never sleep either. Remember having to pass it so we can find out what’s in it? After the vote on filibuster, how many republicrats can you count on?
Actually, it has a better chance of passing now.
The blood dancer’s guild is going non stop right now, and the GOP in the Senate is going to fold.
Feinswine never misses a beat, does she? The old hag should just retire.
where are the poison pill amendments?
where is the amendment to prohibit record keeping?
where is the amendment to mandate due process?
where is the amendment to prevent prohibiltion by shutting down the check system.
I’m really surprised. She must really think that it should be passed.
Most folks understand that it was the matador’s cape to make us accept a “lesser” bill that still made a step towards their goal of confiscation.
Agreed. I think we have to wake up and admit we are dealing with the early stages of a real ugly dictatorship. I know most of us are still in one stage or another of denial, the normalcy bias thing, but I sure hope that somewhere along the way we start developing a proportionate response.
The AWB is added. Many Democrats and Republicans can’t vote for that. The entire bill collapses and it’s the repubicans’ fault.
Those were all procedurally blocked by Reid, his so-called amendment tree maneuver. They’re playing for the whole bag of marbles and most on our side are either asleep or collaborating.
This is exactly why gun owners are defending the Second Amendment from attacks by the DemocRATS. Nazis like Feinstein just don’t know when to quit. It is the total confiscation of all guns or nothing to piggies like Feinstein. The terms “common sense” and “gun control” being used in the same sentence is offensive to most Americans.
Tom Coburn is an idiot.
If you think this won’t pass, I think you’re fooling yourselves. We already know there are enough RINOs to get 60 votes. We also know that Boehner will bring it to the floor with enough RINOs in the House.
Manchin/Toomey sounds unnecessary.
It simply targets the law abiding. Take a look at the stats for NICS prosecutions currently:
76,142 individuals failed a gun purchase background check in 2010.
19 percent of the denials (13,862) were based on the applicant being a fugitive from justice.
Another 2.5 percent (1,923) involved felons and unlawful firearms possession.
Only 13 of the 76,142 failed background checks resulted in guilty pleas.
Nothing could be easier to prosecute than a felon attempting to purchase a firearm. Youve got at least one witness, plus its on film, the perp filled out the paperwork and signed it - its an orgy of evidence.
Worse, you don’t just have federal charges, but state charges. If the feds don’t prosecute, the state can.
That so few ever get prosecuted tells the entire story.
Criminals will get guns - theyre criminals.
China Calls for No Delay on Gun Controls in U.S.
nytimes.com ^ | December 15, 2012
Sen. Feinstein to introduce gun-control bill next year
LA Times ^ | 12-16-12
Surprised???? This is how she got the AWB passed in 1994. The plan all along with Harry Reid was to recreate that situation giving the yeah votes cover for an unpopular AWB........Its all BS to me....
Now, if you vote against the bill you’ll be demonized as being against background checks to prevent criminals from owning “assault weapons.” None of the stuff they do in DC is what it appears to be.......Congress should have to live up to it’s own “Truth in Advertising” laws!
Funny how the Dems are now saying that the Affordable Health Care Act was never intended to reduce Healthcare costs......This after premiums are skyrocketing and people are losing the plans.....
Different subject, but they’re using the same type tactic to deny you your 2nd Amendment Rights and make it seem like “Common Sense” to Mr. and Mrs. Joe Six Pack.....like I said its all BS.
When the history of the American Holocaust is written Dianne Feinstein’s picture will be included as one of it’s main Architects......either that or the prime motivator for CWII........she always complains about Harvey Milks blood on her hands......wait till the blood of millions are on her hands.....
Mostly Collaborating. They see a lot of reward by being king, well until the whole thing crumbles which is what the left wants, and who do you think they will trod out against the wall for taking the blame?
That is if there will be anybody left who can read and write about it. The rate we are going will be like those ancient ruins that we see from humanities past where we know virtually nothing about them.
According to NewsMax.com:
“Obama-backed Gun Control Bill Unlikely to Pass
Friday, 12 Apr 2013 09:08 AM
President Barack Obamas bid to enact even a scaled-back version of his gun-safety agenda needs support from many of the 16 Senate Republicans who showed theyre at least willing to debate it.
He also must hold onto almost all of the 52 Democrats and independents who joined yesterdays 68-31 vote to advance the measure for debate.
The White House already may be losing Democratic Senator Max Baucus, who voted yes for debate though said in an interview later that he has trouble with the legislation.
I oppose the bill, I just cannot support it, said Baucus of Montana, who faces re-election in 2014. Im just not going to block debate on it.
Several Republicans said they voted yes for the same reason — to allow the measure to advance — though they probably wont back it in a final vote.
Its a debate we ought to have, said Republican Senator Johnny Isakson of Georgia. I dont think I am going to support the legislation.
The Senate agreed yesterday to move to debate on the legislation, S. 649, which would expand background checks of gun purchasers, increase funding for school safety and set new penalties for gun trafficking.
The bill, should it clear the Senate, faces an uncertain fate in the House, where Speaker John Boehner, an Ohio Republican, said he wont make a blanket commitment to bring a gun measure to the floor.
The debate over gun control was reignited by the Dec. 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 semiautomatic rifle to kill 20 children and six school employees. Just weeks later, Obama proposed a package of measures to curb gun violence that included renewing a ban on assault weapons and setting size limits for ammunition magazines.
Those proposals were dropped from the Senate bill amid opposition from the National Rifle Association. The president campaigned this week to preserve momentum for whats left of the measure, bringing families of Newtown victims to Washington on Air Force One to ask senators to support it.
Baucus was one of the Democrats who met with Newtown victims relatives. He called it a heart wrenching and emotional meeting that, nevertheless, didnt change his position on the legislation.
Senator Mark Begich of Alaska, who said he met twice with the Newtown families, voted yesterday to block consideration of the measure.
The base bill, I still had problems with it, Begich said.
Democratic Senator Mark Pryor of Arkansas also voted against moving forward with the bill.
Begich and Pryor — the only 2 Democrats to oppose bringing the measure up for debate — are up for re-election next year.
The 16 Republican votes to advance the bill signaled that at least some in the party will support the legislation. Still, one of those Republicans, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, said he wont back the measure.
A number of Republicans think that voting to allow debate gives them the freedom to vote against the bill, said Stu Rothenberg, editor of the nonpartisan Rothenberg Political Report in Washington.
I think its at the least embarrassing, and more than that, a bit of a problem, that Democrats cant get every Democrat, Rothenberg said. It becomes easier for Republicans to just to say look at Pryor or Begich.
Democrat Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who is up for re- election next year in a state that Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney won in November, wouldnt say whether she supports the legislation.
I am going to be a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, Landrieu said. The constitutional amendment protects Americans right to bear arms.
The political concerns of these Democrats are weighing on party members heading into next weeks vote.
This is that big issue that the nation faces that you need to stand up and vote on, said California Senator Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat who unsuccessfully sought to include an assault-weapon ban in the legislation. It always surprises me when some people, the first thing they think of is getting re- elected.
Democratic defections may extend beyond those facing re- election. Senator Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, a freshman lawmaker, said she hasnt formed any opinions on the background-check compromise.
Way of Life
North Dakota has a strong gun culture, Heitkamp said. You need to understand in our part of the country, this isnt an issue, this is a way of life, this is how people feel, she said.
Yesterdays bipartisan vote followed a compromise by Republican Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Joe Manchin of West Virginia, a Democrat, to require background checks for gun sales over the Internet and between private parties at gun shows.
Mandatory background checks for most gun purchasers are supported by 91 percent of U.S. voters, including 96 percent of Democrats, 88 percent of Republicans and 88 percent of gun- owning households, according to a Quinnipiac University poll conducted March 27-April 1.
The Manchin-Toomey proposal will be offered as the first amendment to the Senate bill. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said debate and votes may stretch into the week of April 22.
The push for legislation by the Newtown families and other groups supporting it has been an offsetting force to the influence of the NRA, the nations biggest gun lobby.
Nine of the Republicans voting to move to debate on the bill received at least an A-minus rating from Gun Owners of America, a gun-rights group based in Springfield, Virginia.
The political landscape in America on gun safety is changing before our eyes, said Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat. Four months ago gun safety and gun violence were thought to be politically untouchable in America.
Republicans including John McCain of Arizona will be crucial to the success of the legislation. In an interview yesterday, he stopped short of endorsing the legislation.
Im certainly favorably disposed but Ive got to look at all the details, he said. The Internet aspect of the issue is something I have concerns about.
Another Republican being pressed on the issue is Susan Collins of Maine, who is sponsoring a separate bill to set penalties for firearms trafficking. She said the compromise between Manchin and Toomey addressed many of her concerns about the legislation.
It takes care of many of the problems that are in the underlying bill, she said. Its certainly a positive development.
Democratic Senator Charles Schumer of New York predicted a challenge to gain votes in the coming days.
Make no mistake about it; we have a tough fight to pass the gun measure, Schumer said. The NRA will try and throw all kinds of amendments at us.
Nothing they decide or do makes any difference here at my house. Here we follow the Bill of Rights and let the silly politicians pretend they are making a difference. Someday they will shoot me dead, and God will sort it all out, but someday I will die anyway. I’d rather do it standing for what’s right than waste away to cancer or alzheimers. The Second Amendment lives in the hearts of patriots.
In any scenario I think that the forces of evil will be defeated...(Dems lose)
Surely among the Conservative winners someone will be able to read/write! lolol
It’s coming....hope I live long enough to see it too....
Well put ez..!!! Thank you..!!
You nailed it! Bravo.