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Second bridge connecting Windsor and Detroit approved
Toronto Sun ^ | April 12, 2013 | Kelly Pedro & Jessica Hume

Posted on 04/13/2013 8:57:33 AM PDT by Squawk 8888

LONDON, Ont. — Plans for the new Detroit-Windsor bridge cleared another hurdle Friday when it got a much-anticipated presidential permit.

“A lot of people are very excited. We’ve been in this region waiting for some time for this announcement,” said Windsor Mayor Eddie Francis.

“We all knew the presidential permit wasn’t a question of if, it was a question of when.”

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder made the announcement in Detroit with politicians on both sides of the border in attendance.

But trouble could be brewing as Ambassador Bridge owner and billionaire Manuel (Matty) Moroun filed a civil lawsuit this year to block the permit — which clears the way for construction on the publicly owned bridge to begin — claiming he has exclusive rights to operate the Windsor-Detroit crossing without competition.

The claim is based on an opinion from a law professor at Wayne State University, said Roy Norton, a Canadian consul-general based in Detroit who was a key player in forging the deal to construct the new bridge.

“No legal scholar not in the pay of the Moroun’s seems to share that opinion,” Norton said.

Moroun has been trying to hold up the second bridge, spending millions to block the approvals.

Francis said the decision over whether a second bridge was a go was put to rest last June when Snyder and Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced a deal.

“From my perspective that was the green light and everything else was a matter of process and steps that needed to be followed,” he said.

But he did add the presidential permit was a “key” step.

“It is very positive news that the presidential permit has been issued because now if there were naysayers out there, if there were doubters out there, that puts it all to rest today. The permit’s been issued, the work’s going to begin, the bridge is going to be built and everybody can move on and focus on jobs and the economy.”

Snyder called it a good day, saying the permit is about much more than a bridge, but jobs and the future of Michigan.

“We have a $70-billion relationship with Canada. We are best partners and friends in terms of international relations,” he said. “In the short term, the construction will provide thousands of jobs to Michiganders and Canadians. It’s a win for all, long- and short-term.”

Labour Minister Lisa Raitt said the priority now is to start construction as soon as possible.

The bridge, she added, will be good for the auto industry.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Foreign Affairs; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: canada; detroit; eddiefrancis; lisaraitt; manuelmattymoroun; manuelmoroun; mattymoroun; michigan; roynorton; stephenharper; windsor
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1 posted on 04/13/2013 8:57:33 AM PDT by Squawk 8888
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To: Squawk 8888

Why in the world would Windsor agree to this?


2 posted on 04/13/2013 8:58:15 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Squawk 8888
A little off topic, but can't we just give Detroit to Canada?

5.56mm

3 posted on 04/13/2013 8:59:18 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: cripplecreek; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

4 posted on 04/13/2013 9:00:41 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: skeeter

Auto trade. It’s our busiest crossing because the auto industry of both countries has been integrated since the 1960s.


5 posted on 04/13/2013 9:02:10 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: skeeter

Agree to it hell, they’re paying for it.


6 posted on 04/13/2013 9:03:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
I personally see some serious good coming out of this. I read that Alro steel in Jackson is favored in bidding to provide at least some of the steel.

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7 posted on 04/13/2013 9:06:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

only as long as the new bridge is not located anywhere near the Ambassador - I will never go into that area again even if it adds more hours to go up to Port Huron. Toooo scary.


8 posted on 04/13/2013 9:13:00 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Squawk 8888

The Ambassador bridge is a Matty Maroun’s choke hold on north American trade.

Personally I question the constitutionality of one man owning a border crossing.


9 posted on 04/13/2013 9:15:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sioux-san

The new bridge will be at Zug Island to the south.

http://partnershipborderstudy.com/maps.asp


10 posted on 04/13/2013 9:16:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Squawk 8888

Another bridge?
How fast do people need to escape Detroit?


11 posted on 04/13/2013 9:18:13 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: cripplecreek
Personally I question the constitutionality of one man owning a border crossing.

I wondered how that ever happened? I'll have to do some research on that bridge I guess.

12 posted on 04/13/2013 9:18:34 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Lancey Howard
How fast do people need to escape Detroit?

Rocket speed wouldn't be fast enough for me.

13 posted on 04/13/2013 9:21:27 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Sioux-san; cripplecreek

Zug Island. And Souix-san thought the Ambassador area was scary!

Dude, I worked at the RenCen for a while and down-river is way worse. Around RenCen the panhandlers don’t have pistols!


14 posted on 04/13/2013 9:24:38 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Squawk 8888
And for those who don't know what kind of scumbag Matty Maroun is he was conspiring with Kwame to seize control of the tunnel as well.

Wikileaks release raises suspicions of backroom Detroit-Windsor Tunnel deal between Kwame Kilpatrick, Matty Moroun
15 posted on 04/13/2013 9:24:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Squawk 8888
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16 posted on 04/13/2013 9:27:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Squawk 8888
The area must need the bridges.

The greater San Francisco Bay Area has seven bridges at last count. Wikipedia lists only five but there are a ton of waterways that feed into the bay.

1. San Joaquin River
2. Sacramento River
3. Napa River
4. Sonoma Creek
5. Guadalupe River
6. Coyote Creek
7. Petaluma River
8. San Pablo Creek
9. Wildcat Creek
10. Oakland Estuary
11. Russian River
12. San Lorenzo River
13. San Lorenzo Creek
14. Gulf of the Farallones
15. Alameda Creek

Remembering my California history, the first ENGLISH explorers MISSED seeing the bay. Obviously they visited the area during the foggiest time, the summer, and missed seeing the entire region INSIDE the narrow bay entrance

17 posted on 04/13/2013 9:31:20 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

The Delray neighborhood is about as bad as it gets in Detroit but the lucky few who remain will get the best possible deals they’re going to get for their homes. The approaches to the new bridge will wipe that neighborhood off the map.

If you look across the river you can see that Canada has been prepping for the new bridge for at least 30 years. Its mostly open space and industrial with a highway extension already built.


18 posted on 04/13/2013 9:32:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: skeeter

The current bridge dumps traffic in downtown Windsor onto surface a street before connecting to the 401. The new bridge will be freeway to freeway. Delays should be reduced with three crossings in Detroit. Can’t forget about the tunnel.


19 posted on 04/13/2013 9:35:43 AM PDT by jack1165
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To: cripplecreek

Ahhh yes, Zug Island. Once home of the blast furnaces of the mighty Great Lakes Steel Corp (closed down long ago). I used to be employed there as a time study tech 50+ years ago. It was a wonderment to me that the management of the company welcomed Japanese engineers into our, at that time, state of the art computerized rolling mills. They even let them take photos of the operation. It took no time at all for the Japanese to take the steel production business away from us. Management yielded to the Steel Workers’ union demands for unbelievably generous pay and benefit packages which added to the uncompetitiveness of American steel. I suppose the remnants of those blast furnaces, if any, will be demolished to make room for this magnificent bridge.


20 posted on 04/13/2013 9:42:44 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: jack1165
The approach on the Detroit side is going to eliminate the Delray neighborhood which is a serious slum and connect to the EC Row Highway.

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21 posted on 04/13/2013 9:48:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: M Kehoe
A little off topic, but can't we just give Detroit to Canada?

No way, haven't you heard? We are broke, there is no way we could afford to borrow from China what Canada would charge us for taking it.

22 posted on 04/13/2013 9:51:17 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: skeeter
Why in the world would Windsor agree to this?

Why not just fly everyone to Mogadishu?

It's probably safer than Detroit.


23 posted on 04/13/2013 10:00:17 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: 1rudeboy

Obambalam signed the approval for the new Detroit bridge.

What do ya think the chances are that he’ll claim credit for jobs created?


24 posted on 04/13/2013 10:02:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Squawk 8888

Doesn’t make sense. There is no need for a bridge now that the Democrats have destroyed health care in America. Soon, Canadians will find that American health care has become just as crappy as Canadian health care. Why wait in line to see a Detroit doctor when you can wait in line back at home, eh?


25 posted on 04/13/2013 10:17:17 AM PDT by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
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To: Hoodat

Actually, most crossings for medical care are done over the Niagara. A client of mine was an MRI clinic in Buffalo that had more Canadian patients than American.


26 posted on 04/13/2013 11:31:58 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: cloudmountain
The first Spanish explorer, Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo, exploring in 1542, seems to have missed San Francisco Bay (but was enthusiastic about Monterey Bay). Where exactly Sir Francis Drake explored is debated--I've seen one book which argues that he was much further north (Puget Sound area).

Cabrillo has traditionally been labeled a Portuguese (sailing for Spain) but that is based on one source--apparently the "Portuguese" label belongs to another man in a list of names, not to Cabrillo. Most likely he was a Spaniard.

27 posted on 04/13/2013 12:09:50 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: M Kehoe
The British captured Detroit in the War of 1812. Our ambassadors in Ghent should have insisted that they keep it.

Hindsight is 20/20.

28 posted on 04/13/2013 12:11:22 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: cripplecreek

This is the neighborhood where I was born. My grandfather bought a house on Lisbon just a couple of years after arriving from Ireland (legally), and my dad pounded a beat in the 4th Precinct. At the time, Delray was solidly Hungarian, just as Hamtramck was Polish. The area around the base of the bridge was Greektown and Corktown. It is almost exclusively Mexican now. I’ve been gone many years, but I left my heart in old Detroit.


29 posted on 04/13/2013 12:21:45 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Ax

Yep, I once remarked after I crossed the Ambassador Bridge, that we must have skipped right over the US, and wound up in Mexico.


30 posted on 04/13/2013 12:22:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Oh, dear - I was hoping more like Grosse Ile- HA HA HA HA HA - what was I thinking....


31 posted on 04/13/2013 12:29:00 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: cripplecreek

Not being a lawyer and knowing absolutely nothing about the previous agreement, I would tend to agree with you. How can a private citizen dictate something which is basically an international affair between two government? Maroun is maron er moron.


32 posted on 04/13/2013 12:38:32 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Ax

My great grandfather became a citizen in Detroit as well after immigrating from Austria. Delray is a mess these days but on the bright side, the bridge will bring long term jobs in warehousing and freight handling.

Those who lose their homes to eminent domain will probably get a better deal than they would trying to sell on the open market due to Michigan law.


33 posted on 04/13/2013 12:39:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: driftless2

Warren Buffet used to be the Canadian half of the ownership partnership. Even that seems a little iffy to me. Believing he has a right to operate without competition is ridiculous on its face.

The other lawsuit brought by the democrat doesn’t stand much chance either since we voted to allow Rick Snyder the authority in November.


34 posted on 04/13/2013 12:53:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

How many neighborhoods in Detroit proper aren’t a serious slum ?


35 posted on 04/13/2013 1:03:09 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: cripplecreek

Will be an industrial view rolling into town. Wonder if we will be able to see the Rouge green roof from the bridge.


36 posted on 04/13/2013 1:25:20 PM PDT by jack1165
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To: Squawk 8888

Sure, why not build another route for the Obama fascist regime to invade Canada?

After all, Canada is polluting the world with the Tar Sands in Alberta, and we need an second bridge so Obama can build his bridge heads twice as fast.

Canada will get payback for trying to invade the USA with a pipe line!


37 posted on 04/13/2013 3:16:43 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: cripplecreek

I’m just laughing at the sheer gall of some private citizen claiming only he can authorize the construction of travel connections between countries. That takes a lot of nerve. Whatever “legal agreement” he claimed to have signed isn’t worth the paper it was printed on.


38 posted on 04/13/2013 3:24:45 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Candor7
Why do you think we're paying for it?.


39 posted on 04/13/2013 3:28:58 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Squawk 8888

Lets just do it!!!!


40 posted on 04/13/2013 3:30:25 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: cripplecreek

Is the tunnel still in service?


41 posted on 04/13/2013 3:39:43 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Yeah, the tunnel is the primary automobile crossing. Cars can and do cross the bridge but most don’t because of the endless backup.


42 posted on 04/13/2013 3:45:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

There’s one thing, and only one that matters. Is the Ambassador (and tunnel if it’s still there) congested? Yes? Then build the bridge. I don’t care why there’s commerce, enable it.


43 posted on 04/13/2013 3:48:10 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: driftless2
A lot of the photos you see of collapsing industrial buildings in Detroit are also owned by Matty Maroun. For instance the train station belongs to him. He doesn't take much better care of his bridge.

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44 posted on 04/13/2013 3:50:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I don’t care why there’s commerce, enable it.

That's my attitude on infrastructure funding. If there is a real need, do it and it will pay for itself in time.
45 posted on 04/13/2013 3:51:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

They need more bridges in Detroit so they can get out of town faster.


46 posted on 04/13/2013 3:56:02 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: cripplecreek
It's curious, but I crossed the Ambassador Bridge fifty years ago on a trip to Detroit to visit my grandparents and other relatives who lived there at the time. They're all dead or gone away now.

p.s.I also got hit by a car in Detroit when I was five years (1955) old visiting my grandparents. When I got older, I wish I had asked my parents the name of the guy who slammed on his brakes in time to avoid killing some idiot kid who ran out in the street after getting his teddy bear out of the car. Don't remember a thing except seeing some headlights and then waking up the next day in my grandparents living room with my foot heavily bruised. Fortunately, my head is too hard to sustain serious damage even from an automobile. I wish I knew the guys name so I could send him a thankyou card.

47 posted on 04/13/2013 4:00:42 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

I’ve never crossed the border at Detroit. The times I’ve gone to Canada I’ve crossed at Port Huron.


48 posted on 04/13/2013 4:03:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: M Kehoe
A little off topic, but can't we just give Detroit to Canada?

I think you've tried this before on other threads, and the answer is still, "no". We will, however, consider a trade if you will take Quebec.

49 posted on 04/13/2013 4:05:15 PM PDT by Dartman (Mubarak and Gaddafi are going to look like choirboys when this is over)
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To: Lancey Howard

“Another bridge? How fast do people need to escape Detroit?

LOL! I was thinking along similar lines! I heard on the news that most of the remaining residents of Detroit are unemployable for a number of reasons. So, if they want to migrate to Canada I think it would be fantastic. Then, Detroit could be bulldozed and the land used for farming. Just had a thought; we need to make sure that the bridge is built so that traffic can only flow north. We don’t want any returns in this deal... :)


50 posted on 04/13/2013 4:14:37 PM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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