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WSJ/NBC poll: Majority once again thinks abortion should be illegal in most or all circumstances
Hotair ^ | 04/13/2013 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 04/13/2013 10:18:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Blogworthy not just because it complements the Gosnell coverage but because this old post kicked off two days of arguments in the comments about whether Americans really were becoming more pro-abortion over time. That trend fit with various other trends towards social liberalization, starting with gay marriage, and with post-election claims that the long-touted Democratic realignment had arrived.

False alarm:

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Good news and bad news there for pro-lifers. The bad news: The new numbers are in line with most of the other data over the last 10 years. Americans aren’t becoming more pro-choice but they’re not really becoming more pro-life either. (If the Gosnell story breaks out in a big way, that may change in the next round of polling.) The good news: The January numbers showing 54 percent in favor of legal abortion in most or all circumstances looks like an outlier. Either it’s statistical noise or the Akin/Mourdock backlash from last summer finally faded and left pollsters with the pre-2012 status quo. At the very least, you can take the new numbers as a sign that Republicans’ efforts to limit abortion at the state level aren’t generating a backlash (yet).

Still, though, 45 percent support abortion rights in most or all circumstances. What does that mean specifically? WaPo answers:

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You can see vividly in that second column why Akin and Mourdock were such a liability for the GOP. There’s good news and bad news in this data too, of course. The good news is that abortions for reasons of personal convenience draw majority opposition, even in cases where the mother says she can’t afford the child. The bad news is that there’s more than 40 percent support for abortion under every circumstance here, even when you phrase it as blithely as “for any reason.” (Oddly, “for any reason” appears to have more support than “Don’t want to marry the man,” which I would think falls under”any reason.”) I often hear pro-lifers say that future generations will look back in horror at what America permitted over the last 40 years in the name of “women’s health”; I wish that were true, but I’m not sure what they expect to see happen between now and, say, 2050 to move these numbers dramatically. You’ve got 40 percent of the public, and probably 80 percent of the media, willing to bless fetal neck-snipping on demand as some sort of civil-libertarian triumph. What’s going to dissolve those numbers? If the facts of the Gosnell case don’t do it, what?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; obamacare; poll; zerocare

1 posted on 04/13/2013 10:18:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Murder is illegal....Why is abortion legal at all?? It defies reason.


2 posted on 04/13/2013 10:20:20 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

yes it does


3 posted on 04/13/2013 10:21:56 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Sacajaweau

murder is not health care either


4 posted on 04/13/2013 10:22:03 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Sacajaweau

It doesn’t defy liberal logic.... AKA no logic


5 posted on 04/13/2013 10:29:41 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Sacajaweau

Exactly. Murder. There is no statute of limitation on murders, similarly abortionists and the “mothers” should be prosecuted for first degree murder. Send the signal by prosecuting the mothers, not just abortionist doctors.


6 posted on 04/13/2013 10:36:13 AM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

Next thing will be to do away with old folks.


7 posted on 04/13/2013 10:38:59 AM PDT by True Grit
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To: Sacajaweau
Murder is illegal....Why is abortion legal at all?? It defies reason.
You're 100% correct, of course, but there are still those online (had one commenter just yesterday) that was arguing with me that abortion isn't murder. I asked the person if she was hiding the 55 million plus babies that have disappeared through abortion, but were not murdered.
8 posted on 04/13/2013 10:42:15 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s entirely understandable why the mainstream media would want to suppress the Gosnell story. How could any American with a soul hear about those child murders and not ask themselves: What the hell has this country become??? (hint: the answer is in the question)


9 posted on 04/13/2013 10:45:36 AM PDT by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: SeekAndFind

http://theweeklyworldview.com/podcast/2013/201304/20130412WWV171EarlyDistantWarning.mp3


10 posted on 04/13/2013 10:47:01 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the weakness of polling on moral issues. The majority decides what is right.


11 posted on 04/13/2013 11:03:14 AM PDT by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind

This info could be why the Compost was avoiding covering the Gosnell trial. It will only make those pro-life numbers even higher!


12 posted on 04/13/2013 11:09:55 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SeekAndFind

How interesting that so many people believe a baby should be murdered because it exists inconveniently. How very, very sad that AMERICANS think this!!


13 posted on 04/13/2013 11:10:34 AM PDT by redhead (NO GROUND TO THE DEVIL! Use Weaponized Prayer)
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To: SeekAndFind

bookmark


14 posted on 04/13/2013 11:10:44 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Sacajaweau

Agreed. Taking a life without due process is illegal. Outside of abortion, it has always been in this country that taking a life was considered on a case-by-case basis and the 'criminal' was afforded representation. Abortion of convenience is not only disgusting, but un-American.


15 posted on 04/13/2013 11:40:50 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t matter, as long as the majority of the media supports it.

Same goes for gay marriage, condoms to kids in schools, guns, obamacare, etc.


16 posted on 04/13/2013 11:47:34 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: SeekAndFind

OK, then why did Akin lose his election? Always remember that the liberals biggest fear is that there will be too many people. When it comes right down to baby killing time, the liberals will vote for a smaller population out of fear for themselves and their children.


17 posted on 04/13/2013 11:48:56 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

Doc Gosnell gonna move that needle even more to our side in this one...and Planned Parenthood knows it .....and they’re frightened. Awful awful price to pay, but the enemy overplayed his hand on this one...


18 posted on 04/13/2013 12:08:43 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: blueunicorn6

OK, then why did Akin lose his election?

Because the GOPe stabbed him in the back instead of defending him. Thanks go to Romney, Priebus, Rove, Coulter, etc, etc, etc.


19 posted on 04/13/2013 12:22:07 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: All

Liberals go nuts over pit bull fighers. I hate them, too. But liberals say a woman should have a choice as to whether or not to kill her baby. Why shouldn’t she have a right to kill her dog?

By the way, did anyone see the video of the black dude in Baytown, Texas beating the hell out of a 5 month old pit bull puppy? His punishment COULD be 6 months to 2 years. I say put him in a cage with a bunch of pit bulls.

I’m afraid if I had been there I’d be in jail for murder. The poor puppy was “pleading” and the guy kept hitting him and kicking him then hung him over the railing by the neck lease. God, it makes me mad just thinking about it.


20 posted on 04/13/2013 1:19:28 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Sacajaweau

It defies reason because it is a liberal invention. America has sunk to the depths of depravity and deserves an Old Testament judgement.


21 posted on 04/13/2013 1:26:54 PM PDT by 21st Century Crusader (August 26, 1191)
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To: Sacajaweau

That is changing as states start to realize their power I’m seeing votes moving towards defining life, if we go slowly enough we will sway and reeducate the state population into seeing abortion as just anther form of murder as well.

The key is making exception to murder for the life of the mother, and possibly rape & defect.
If we do that first then in 20 years as people accept that abortion is murder those exceptions might become more controversial.


22 posted on 04/13/2013 5:48:09 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: 21st Century Crusader
“It defies reason because it is a liberal invention. America has sunk to the depths of depravity and deserves an Old Testament judgement.”

I don't know about that, I think this is quite encouraging.

Look at the three exceptions life, rape, and defect. Theses would all be perfectly acceptable exceptions as apposes to what is currently going on. (mere leisure.)

We need to capitalize on theses 3 exceptions and define abortion as murder with theses 3 exceptions to said murder.

Then in time we can start working on diswadeing people against theses exception.

We can work with these exceptiosn ONCE we have firmly defined abortion as murder in law with theses 3 exceptions. Then its quite simplely campaining on the moral question of:

1: Is it right to kill someone simply because their defective? (against the birth defect exception).

2: Is it right to kill someone because of the crime of a 3rd person? (Against the Rape exception).

I don't think we can ever fight against the health exception because if the mother dies then so too does the child, and if we have to choose between the two of them. The Mother having had 15 to 40 years invested in her is clearly more valuable. Frankly I agree with the health exception provided the health risk is serous.

23 posted on 04/13/2013 6:08:20 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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