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Charges against St. Louis County gun instructor put concealed-carry permits in doubt
St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | 04/13/2013 | Christine Byers

Posted on 04/13/2013 10:38:57 AM PDT by aimhigh

A St. Louis County police records clerk was stumped when a concealed-carry permit applicant presented a certificate showing he had received the required eight hours of firearms training that very day.

She looked at her watch. It was about 1:30 p.m. March 5. She asked exactly when he took the class. It started at 10 a.m., he said. She alerted supervisors.

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; governmentmedia; guncontrol; media; propaganda; secondamendment
Good to see the scum being caught. He endangers both the student and the public.
1 posted on 04/13/2013 10:38:57 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

Oh please. Do you drama queen much?


2 posted on 04/13/2013 10:41:39 AM PDT by libertybell
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To: libertybell

Well he should have at least told the Students there was a two day wait period before you could go down to the Cop Shack!
Nothing like an Eager Breaver lol!


3 posted on 04/13/2013 10:48:52 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: libertybell
Oh please. Do you drama queen much?

Lol. Right? FFL's and CCW permit proponents are a BIG part of the problem we find ourselves in today. Since when do free men ask permission? Oh well, gotta make those profits, right? Even at the expense of the very people and industry that you claim to support. Right. Got it.

4 posted on 04/13/2013 10:50:44 AM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: libertybell
Oh please. Do you drama queen much?

Spoken like a true liberal who always ends up supporting the crook.

5 posted on 04/13/2013 10:57:51 AM PDT by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: aimhigh
Drats...too late.

If I could get the permit after a two hour course, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately, Missouri requires 8 HOURS of training, no matter what your background. So, take a day off work or get nothing done on a Saturday or Sunday.

6 posted on 04/13/2013 10:59:43 AM PDT by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: aimhigh

agreed. These short cutters not only let people not really safe to handle a gun, et the permit. - one guy in the NRA class I took was showing off is personal weapon, saving it around, and pointed it straight at my head...he wan’t even reprimanded.

These shortcutters could make it harder to get/keep CC permits available in states.

If they’re collecting the money for doing the job - let them do the job. Don’t give our enemies ‘ammunition.”


7 posted on 04/13/2013 11:05:55 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: aimhigh
It is unpopular to be right FRiend. I do not know you nor do I know if the article is true. Based upon if true ... you know where I stand. AimHigh FRiend.
8 posted on 04/13/2013 11:06:20 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: demsux

8 hours does seem rather stupidly long to me. I think the CCW course I did here in CO was about 3 (no range time). I only learned a few new things since I had read up quite a bit on the subject when I had my PA CCW (which required no course at all and was appreciably cheaper).

I continue to balk at hunting in CO because of the 12 hour hunter safety course. I really don’t need to be taught gun safety by this point (considering I’ve taught those rules to possibly 100 people), and not shooting orange is a pretty simple concept.

As to the trainer in question, he does deserve to get busted for fraud. If he didn’t like the law, he could have worked to have it changed. Putting his students in legal jeopardy does nobody a favor.


9 posted on 04/13/2013 11:07:23 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: maine-iac7
Don’t give our enemies ‘ammunition.'

Amen. We are lied about all the time.
Why give our enemies something real?

10 posted on 04/13/2013 11:08:57 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: aimhigh
The anti-gun St Louis Post Disgrace would jump all over this story like a chicken on a June bug.
11 posted on 04/13/2013 11:15:42 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: demsux
"So, take a day off work or get nothing done on a Saturday or Sunday."

Twenty years ago I had to complete a day long class to obtain a pistol permit in CT. It was attended by a bunch of put out, inconvenienced, mildly angry guys like me. The teacher was good, hard core 4th amendment type, who had to listen to us sarcastic and bitter people for much of a Saturday.

Here in New Hampster, a "shall issue" state, no class is required for a permit. Next week the local CrimeWatch group along with the police department are sponsoring a two hour gun safety course. Nothing hands on, just an informational thingy for people who are interested. A local NRA instructor is leading it. There will be no "attitude" there as everyone in attendance will be present because of their own free choice. Should be a more pleasant evening for us gun nuts.

12 posted on 04/13/2013 11:17:46 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: demsux

In Texas, we have a bill going through our legislature to lower the training hours to between 4 hours and 6 hours. I suppose that is up to the trainer to do the 4 or 6 hours. So, if that passes, one can get a license after a 4 hr. training. We want more people armed.


13 posted on 04/13/2013 11:59:05 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: aimhigh

Oh, please. If this guy had made his class watch TV for 8 hours, you never would have known the difference.


14 posted on 04/13/2013 12:03:12 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Conserev1
Nothing like an Eager Breaver lol!

Personally, I prefer my beavers eager!

15 posted on 04/13/2013 12:23:19 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: drbuzzard
8 hours does seem rather stupidly long to me.

Probably depends on the complexity of the laws in the state, and whether range time is supposed to be included. I could see 8 hours being needed for a total noob in a state with fairly complex laws and range time required.

16 posted on 04/13/2013 12:25:55 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: TYVets
The anti-gun St Louis Post Disgrace would jump all over this story like a chicken on a June bug.

How has their coverage of Kermit Gosnell been?

17 posted on 04/13/2013 12:28:52 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Still Thinking
Personally, I prefer my beavers eager!

Hopefully not too eager.

Beaver Bites Man To Death In Belarus Attack

18 posted on 04/13/2013 2:08:07 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: KarlInOhio

True. In all my dealing with beavers, I can’t say I was ever in danger of being bitten to death.


19 posted on 04/13/2013 2:24:50 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: camle

bft


20 posted on 04/13/2013 2:49:28 PM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Future Snake Eater
How has their coverage of Kermit Gosnell been?

I will go way out on a limb and bet you a cup of coffee that it is buried somewhere in their newspaper or not even reported at all.

21 posted on 04/14/2013 1:16:21 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: Still Thinking
In all my dealing with beavers, I can’t say I was ever in danger of being bitten to death.

Check out this story:

Beaver kills man in Belarus; he wanted to be photographed with it
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/12/science/la-sci-beaver-kills-man-20130412

22 posted on 04/14/2013 8:23:44 AM PDT by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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