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Bloomington Planned Parenthood attacked with ax; Man tells cops he did it due to religious beliefs
WANE-TV (Fort Wayne, Ind.) ^ | 4/11/2013

Posted on 04/13/2013 10:11:25 PM PDT by darrellmaurina

This is an Associated Press story so due to copyright it must be excerpted. Key items:

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BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (AP) -- Southern Indiana police arrested a man on suspicion of using an ax to smash windows and damage computers at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Bloomington on Thursday.

Benjamin D. Curell, 27, of Ellettsville, was arrested on preliminary burglary and criminal mischief charges, The Herald-Times reported...

The man allegedly attributed his actions to his religious beliefs, saying Planned Parenthood employees murder babies...

Anti-abortion group Indiana Right to Life issued a statement condemning the actions of the vandal.

"Indiana Right to Life strongly denounces the violence reported this morning against the Bloomington abortion facility," said Mike Fichter, president and CEO of the organization. "Responding to the violence of abortion with physical violence is not behavior that Indiana Right to Life condones."

(Excerpt) Read more at wane.com ...


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Before anyone "jumps" me and thinks I support abortion, the man arrested is a deacon at ClearNote Church of Bloomington, Ind., pastored by Rev. Tim Bayly, former head of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, and a key opponent of gender-neutral translations in the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible. Rev. Bayly is also the son of the former head of the David C. Cook Christian book company.

Rev. Bayly has requested prayer and his church obviously will need it. They're already under attack by liberal bloggers, such as this:

http://www.dailykos.com/news/Benjamin%20D.%20Curell

His church has criticized their deacon in a statement here:

http://clearnotebloomington.com/ben-curell-statement

STATEMENT REGARDING THE ARREST OF BENJAMIN CURELL

Yesterday morning the pastors and elders of Clearnote Church learned that Ben Curell, a deacon of the church, had been arrested for vandalizing Planned Parenthood. No one in the church knew about his plans. We are convinced Ben’s actions were not justifiable civil disobedience. The elders and pastors have met with Ben and admonished him.

Throughout history faithful Christians have confessed that from conception children bear the image of God. Therefore, we at Clearnote Church have encouraged and will continue to encourage Christians to peacefully and lawfully witness against the great evil of abortion.

We have counseled Ben to repent and submit to the civil authority that God has placed over us for our good. This authority reflects and points to the judgment of God before Whom we all one day must give an account.

Released Friday, April 12, 2013 Bloomington, Indiana

1 posted on 04/13/2013 10:11:25 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

That “civil authority” which they think “God put over” them for their “”own good” countenances the slaughter of innocent children. I’d say taking an ax to a few computers is a fairly mild act.


2 posted on 04/13/2013 10:14:12 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: darrellmaurina

The church did the right thing. The media will not.

Look, the media has ignored Gosnell. They will blow this up into major proportions...and I won’t be surprised if the clown issues a statement.

Nevertheless, abortions do murder precious innocent children, and that is where the focus should remain.


3 posted on 04/13/2013 10:15:28 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...
PING to the Great Reformed Ping List.

This man is a deacon at Rev. Tim Bayly’s church, a former PCA minister who is well-known in Reformed circles for his fight against gender-neutral language in the NIV and for his former position heading up the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood.

Rev. Bayly is requesting prayer and his church is going to need it.

4 posted on 04/13/2013 10:17:05 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
People have to remain calm. It's hard to sit by while these children are being murdered at these centers. Protest peacefully. I know people want things to change. Just pray sincerely as hard as you can for God to help us to help these children by helping their mothers to love their baby regardless.
5 posted on 04/13/2013 10:21:32 PM PDT by Christie at the beach ( If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"chicken with its head cut off."
6 posted on 04/13/2013 10:29:00 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: darrellmaurina

Just wait for the media to jump ALL over this like they accidentally failed to do when it came to Kermit Gosnell.

Also, this man pretty much sucked at doing anything. He smashed some windows and computers... wooh! scary!


7 posted on 04/13/2013 10:39:33 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Lurker

Mr. Curcell took an axe,
and gave the vacuum aspirator 40 whacks ....


8 posted on 04/13/2013 10:41:53 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: darrellmaurina

They report on this but stay quiet on Gosnell the baby killer.


9 posted on 04/13/2013 11:09:42 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: darrellmaurina

Nut.


10 posted on 04/13/2013 11:10:56 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Christie at the beach
People have to remain calm. It's hard to sit by while these children are being murdered at these centers.

I've never understood that advice. Would you sit by calmly if ax murderers were going through your mother's neighborhood house by house? Would you not feel an obligation to DO SOMETHING??? Why then, should we remain calm and pacified while our babies are being ripped apart? Would Jesus have sat off calmly to the side and allowed this to continue? Is there some aspect of your particular brand of Christian right to life I don't understand?

11 posted on 04/13/2013 11:19:48 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Christie at the beach

The crowning irony is that your own tagline suggest civil disobedience. Monastic prayer alone just doesn’t cut it when your’re faced with a situation like this.


12 posted on 04/13/2013 11:22:02 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: darrellmaurina

God Bless that young man in doing God’s work.


13 posted on 04/14/2013 2:04:30 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: SoFloFreeper
The church did the right thing.

The church did the cowardly, wrong thing.

"Forcing us to pay for the slaughter of newborn babes" didn't make the list of the King's crimes in the Declaration. Yet the people took up arms. Would this church have said they were wrong? Of course.

14 posted on 04/14/2013 3:21:37 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Wpin

God Bless that young man in doing God’s work.
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Getting arrested is never smart ,, and this did NOTHING to stop even one abortion, all it did was get the local PP new computers and new equipment paid for by insurance and ultimately his church... if he wanted results simply cutting their phone lines would have been more productive and wouldn’t have entailed entering the building... if he wanted big results he would fundraise to create a pool to pay lawyers out of and develop contacts at the local emergency rooms and trauma centers.


15 posted on 04/14/2013 3:44:26 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Getting arrested is never smart ,, and this did NOTHING to stop even one abortion, all it did was get the local PP new computers and new equipment paid for by insurance and ultimately his church... if he wanted results simply cutting their phone lines would have been more productive and wouldn’t have entailed entering the building... if he wanted big results he would fundraise to create a pool to pay lawyers out of and develop contacts at the local emergency rooms and trauma centers.

God Bless that young man for in doing God’s work.


16 posted on 04/14/2013 5:41:19 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: darrellmaurina
Before anyone "jumps" me and thinks I support abortion,

Thanks for posting the article. I think this man is MORALLY RIGHT, but LEGALLY WRONG.

17 posted on 04/14/2013 6:41:14 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: steve86
Would Jesus have sat off calmly to the side and allowed this to continue?

Look what he did to the 'money changers' in the temple.

18 posted on 04/14/2013 6:44:21 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2
MORALLY RIGHT, but LEGALLY WRONG.

The "law" is morally wrong. The concept of civil disobedience is to break a lesser law to challenge a greater one. In this case, trespassing and destruction of property is a lesser crime than the legal act of killing the unborn.

19 posted on 04/14/2013 6:50:11 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: darrellmaurina

History has shown that if you make abortions easy to get (legal, gov’t paid, etc) then there will be more abortions (more people being totally irresponsible).

The big issue that EVERYONE keeps is avoiding is WHY do we have so many UNWANTED pregnancies?

GUN abuse... blame the assault weapon.
DRUG abuse... blame the plants.
ABORTION abuse... blame the baby.


20 posted on 04/14/2013 6:50:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: steve86
->The crowning irony is that your own tagline suggest civil disobedience. Monastic prayer alone just doesn’t cut it when your’re faced with a situation like this.

The compassion would be not to hurt anyone else while honoring your conviction on this issue and giving the media the caption of the others are causing the violence.

21 posted on 04/14/2013 7:02:38 AM PDT by Christie at the beach ( If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.)
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To: All

I can understand his frustrations with abortionist, the controlled leftist mass media propaganda syndicate, political whores, NEOCON corporate warmongers, crooked liberal judges and schools, Homeland Security Nazis, environmental communist, etc. I’d like to see him judged temporarily insane and counseled on biting your tongue and coping to behave as acceptably sane people do until this leftist psychotic criminal society can be reformed peacefully or until people overwhelmingly get out their pitchforks and torches to effect the needed changes.


22 posted on 04/14/2013 7:04:43 AM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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To: steve86
"Would Jesus have sat off calmly to the side and allowed this to continue?"

Well since God let the sun rise today, no.

One thing Jesus would of done though is admonished the Christian/Roman Catholic leaders for letting the unrepentant run rampant among their flock (Pick your politician/business leader who denies The power but takes on a form of Godliness among the community, thus corrupting the Gospel).
23 posted on 04/14/2013 7:09:17 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Neidermeyer
Getting arrested is never smart ,

...Unless your goal was to get arrested, in order to bring attention to a moral crime.

, and this did NOTHING to stop even one abortion,

...Well, it probably stopped all the abortions scheduled for that day, what with the police doing their 'investigating' and all.

all it did was get the local PP new computers and new equipment paid for by insurance and ultimately his church

...Good point, but that is not ALL that it did. For instance, it's posted on F.R. and is adding to the wave the Gosnell case is building.

if he wanted results simply cutting their phone lines would have been more productive and wouldn’t have entailed entering the building...

...Yeah. because crawling around the outside of a building on a ladder at night in the ghetto seems like a good plan.

if he wanted big results he would fundraise to create a pool to pay lawyers out of and develop contacts at the local emergency rooms and trauma centers.

... I think the government already outlawed any FORM of protesting around, in, or near Abortion Clinics. Besides, what you suggest has about a MINUS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT chance of success.

24 posted on 04/14/2013 7:09:42 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: HomeAtLast

Oh, let’s use your logic...

So how many abortion clinics have YOU busted into and broken equipment in?

If your answer is “zero”, you are doing the cowardly, wrong thing.


25 posted on 04/14/2013 7:12:06 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: darrellmaurina
ALL pastors should be referencing the Gosnell case in their pulpits this morning; to raise awareness among their congregations.

I wonder if ANY will?

26 posted on 04/14/2013 7:13:02 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: don-o
'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are LIFE, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.'

Without the first, you can't have the second or third...

27 posted on 04/14/2013 7:17:16 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: darrellmaurina

This is pretty much how the 2A Revolution will play out, there won’t be any leadership but the leftists will insist there is one who will be arrested, but of course it will be pretty much 150 million “Lone Wolves” taking a stand to retake control of America from the usurpation and illegally obtained elections that has given America its current despot.

But all the conservative groups will disavow any and all incidents of the “Lone Wolves”.

Just gathering and making noise isn’t gonna cut the mustard anymore, someone will have to cross the line, probably a lot will. Its gonna happen eventually and we should not be so surprised.

This deacon did what he believed was right, I would have done the same, I also know nobody will break down the jail cell to rescue me either.

Something to keep in mind, such should several thousand armed Tea Party member be arrested say at a certain Washington DC area then they should be immediately taken out of incarceration by a superior force. Send the progressives THAT message. A million man march to forcibly release fellow compatriots.


28 posted on 04/14/2013 7:26:13 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: steve86

I don’t appreciate your comments though it’s your right to do as you wish as I was thinking being peaceful though committed to our faith. I can say to you that you are not the only person who is upset and torn about this. I am a mother. I hurt. We cannot go into these buildings and destroy property and too, possible injuries and deaths.. He did, it’s done, now. We have to reach the mother’s thinking through God’s love. I think that’s what Jesus would want us to do as a people. The government has this protected; that’s the problem. I or you alone cannot undo that. The women allowing their children to have no life have got to be turned around in their thinking and come to Christ. Our culture/have sex w/ no responsibility, in the era of Bill Clinton caused more damage than any president on this issue alone. He is the poster child for anything goes, no morality, let’s just do it.


29 posted on 04/14/2013 7:29:02 AM PDT by Christie at the beach ( If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t think you even understand how to form an ad hominem attack, much less understand my point, so I’m just going to ignore you!


30 posted on 04/14/2013 7:35:20 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: VerySadAmerican; darrellmaurina
They report on this but stay quiet on Gosnell the baby killer.

Because of pattern development.

Most women who have abortions like to 'keep it quiet' to begin with, and some are told they better 'keep it quiet' or else. Young women have abortions and EVERYONE wants it kept a secret, especially those responsible for how she got pregnant. Most of the time, unwanted pregnancy is the result of irresponsible or even illegal behavior.

Our government support of PP clinics has only encouraged that kind of behavior.

NOW, here's the real reason the media has (up to now) largely ignored the case: Planned Parenthood Abortion Clinics are run by ORGANIZED CRIME. OC supports and controls politicians. The media is mostly politically organized coverup of crime.

This clinic has been operating for 30 years. Low expenses on sanitation and equipment, high income , no licenses, cheap staff, no limit abortions. One would have to be blind to not see the appeal to an organized crime syndicate. Getting the government(taxpayer) to pay the high fees (guaranteed income) is the big tell.

31 posted on 04/14/2013 7:38:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Christie at the beach
This story has got to be discussed in the main news. Women will read about this. Some instantly would see this is a cruel death. This is a sign for us to use this pain these lives to educate people about the child and let them see it's not a convenience issue as the liberals pound into their thinking. We have to spread this to everyone to where it will even be talked about in the poor neighborhoods. I just don't understand why as a people we have not protested in a majority group and shut this nation down (and to heck with our comfy zones) before it's too late for anyone.
32 posted on 04/14/2013 7:44:23 AM PDT by Christie at the beach ( If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.)
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To: don-o
The "law" is morally wrong.

Many laws are, these days. That does suggests where the problem lies.

33 posted on 04/14/2013 7:51:17 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Christie at the beach
People have to remain calm. It's hard to sit by while these children are being murdered at these centers.

How do you square your tagline with that Good German policy?

Tagline: "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

Disobey how? Once you rule out violence against persons and property, how do you disobey the law? Do you mean, as the liberals say, "If you don't like abortion, don't have one?"

What exactly is one obligated to do, in disobedience to the unjust law?

34 posted on 04/14/2013 7:55:07 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Christie at the beach

http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0419_Atlanta-_Operation_R.html


35 posted on 04/14/2013 8:12:41 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

ping to 35


36 posted on 04/14/2013 8:13:29 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: HomeAtLast

People have to be strong(calm) (reach deep within) because those images are almost impossible to endure from that trial. It is not wise to go into these buildings and take a risk of hurting others or yourself so the media turns the violence story is coming from the people who support life. The violence is the killing of children. My tag line speaks for itself. If a law is wrong, unjust, I don’t support it nor obligated to do. The government cannot force me to support these killings. What part of that don’t you get.


37 posted on 04/14/2013 8:18:21 AM PDT by Christie at the beach ( If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks darrellmaurina.
on suspicion of using an ax to smash windows and damage computers

38 posted on 04/14/2013 8:27:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: UCANSEE2
The big issue that EVERYONE keeps is avoiding is WHY do we have so many UNWANTED pregnancies?

Fornication.

Which has been promoted by the "power behind the throne" of American government for a century.

Look at the themes and plots of early movies from the teens and twenties.

Look at wall street / new world order takeover of schools going back to the Peabody Education Fund, funded by George Peabody (Queen Victoria's "favorite American") with stocks worth several million dollars at that time (not in today's dollar valuation - but in 1867/1869 dollars; today that value would be in the tens of millions).

This was the first large step of new world order's overt but plausibly deniable takeover of American education of children.

One new world order strategy is the spread of vices (making people very easy to control and very distracted), and controlling education is very useful in that regard.

It also allows new world order to expunge their own actions from history that is taught to the general public. Notably George Peabody's role, and consequently role of Great Britain under the financial control of Rothschild interests, in the financing of American farming, industry, railroads and the Gold Rush, several financial panics (which helped the American firms in the orbit of international banking to buy up distressed concerns), the Civil War and the slave trade has been largely wiped clean from history texts that are chosen by public schools.

Of course, control of education also allows for early and constant brainwashing in any thoughts that new world order wishes the public at large to embrace.

The direct financial successor to Peabody, J P Morgan and others in the international banking orbit in America, continued with the new world order program, providing behind-the-scenes control of America at the highest levels, as well as providing key funding for the start of Bolshevism. Thus we see that international communism is nothing but a political front for new world order. This political structure "winds up" being imposed on nations where the population accepts statism relatively easily.

Well, there it is, for all to see and decide what they want to do with the information.
39 posted on 04/14/2013 11:18:00 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Lurker; steve86; Wpin; HomeAtLast; Spartan302; UCANSEE2; don-o; RHS Jr; Neidermeyer; ...
Several people have asked, in various ways, whether there is something in the church's doctrinal position which caused them to call their deacon to repent of his axe attack on the abortion clinic.

Rev. Bayly is a Calvinist. His church is independent but until recently Bayly was an ordained minister of the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) serving “outside the bounds.”

Reformed doctrine has a history of nearly five centuries of teaching on this question. There was a day when these questions were not theoretical. Tens of thousands of people were killed in France and the Netherlands — in some cases literally slaughtered in the streets — for being Calvinists.

According to Romans 13, the power of the sword belongs to the “magistrate,” i.e., the government, not to individuals. It is to be used to protect people under their governance. While John Knox taught that lesser magistrates can protect their people by rising up in revolt against higher powers, that authority does not belong to the individual. Individuals have the right to self defense, but do not have the right to vigilante justice.

It is not irrelevant to our own American history that Rev. John Witherspoon, president of what is now Princeton, was a member of the Continental Congress and argued that the thirteen colonies had the right to protect their people against unjust abuse by the British Parliament and King George III. This teaching of the right to revolt by lesser magistrates was used in our own American history to justify the American Revolution. In addition to his political activism in the Continental Congress, Witherspoon was the moderator of the First General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, a member of the New Jersey legislature, and a key advocate of ratifying the Constitution.

Yes, abortion clinics should be shuttered. But not this way. This deacon has taken unto himself the sword of the civil magistrate with no authorization to do so, and that is fundamentally wrong.

Here is a link to a letter by Gary North to Paul Hill, an excommunicated former OPC and PCA pastor in Florida who killed an abortionist back in the 1990s, which may be helpful.

http://www.reformed.org/social/let_2_paul_hill.html

Here is a link to a discussion of that letter on Free Republic after another abortionist, Dr. Paul Tiller, was killed:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2270334/posts?page=1#1

I'm not endorsing Gary North's theology in general, but I think North is spot on with this letter written to Paul Hill while he was in jail awaiting his murder trial for killing an abortionist. We have no right as private individuals to take the sword into our own hands which belongs to the state.

If people want to disagree and say that this deacon had the right to do what he did, that is their choice. But it is contrary to the church's doctrine for private individuals to take the law into their own hands, and it is very important that it be understood that this deacon was acting in direct contradiction to the teachings of the church he served as a deacon.

40 posted on 04/15/2013 4:13:25 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

Thanks for the ping and for taking the time to present these thoughts. However, I am not sure that they are relevant in this case.

This deacon did not commit murder. Nor did he foment an insurrection against the power. He did vandalize a death chamber in which murder is done and the natural right to life is violated as a matter of course.

Perhaps this faith tradition does indeed make what the deacon did wrong. And, it is certainly legitimate for that tradition to require its adherents to form their consciences in obedience.

However, I do not see how this act of property destruction which halts, even for a short time, the greater evil, can be made to fit as violating the sword power of the state.


41 posted on 04/15/2013 4:43:42 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: darrellmaurina

A counterargument to the Romans 13 argument is presented by Constitution Party’s Chuck Baldwin. You’ll have to search “Romans 13” and “Chuck Baldwin,” I don’t know why the Mod expunged the link post and haven’t time to find another.


43 posted on 04/15/2013 5:45:29 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Lurker
I’d say taking an ax to a few computers is a fairly mild act.

It's a baby slaughterhouse, so, yeah. No tears here.

44 posted on 04/15/2013 5:47:09 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

An ax is appropriate, given what happens inside


45 posted on 04/15/2013 5:48:26 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: don-o
Thank you for your note.

We certainly agree that felony property damage and capital murder are not on the same level of seriousness, and that is recognized in both secular law and church doctrine. Based on what I’ve seen so far in news media reports, it looks like the axe attacker didn’t manage to get into the part of the facility where abortions were performed and only attacked walls, windows, computers, and office equipment.

A key issue here is that this man is not just a private member but a deacon in the church. If the church does nothing or fails to speak clearly, it will be accused, rightly so in my view, of either supporting or failing to clearly state its stance on the deacon’s actions.

In theory that applies to any church member, but the general public understands that people may be members of a church and actively involved in it without their actions carrying the endorsement of the church. That case is far harder to make when a deacon, elder or pastor does something like this.

Rev. Bayly is a fairly well-known figure in the evangelical world. To paraphrase his church’s name, if ClearNote Church does not sound clear message with the trumpet they’ve been handed, bad things will happen, and happen quickly.

It probably should be noted that the local Right-to-Life organization also condemned this attack on Planned Parenthood.

46 posted on 04/15/2013 6:05:44 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: GeronL

He must have had a question.


47 posted on 04/15/2013 6:08:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: HomeAtLast; Admin Moderator; Religion Moderator

Thank you for your note.

While I cannot speak for the moderators, Free Republic’s policy is to forbid advocacy of violence. I agree with that policy for a number of reasons.

Having said that, I wasn’t aware of Chuck Baldwin’s view on this issue and I will do the research on my own.


48 posted on 04/15/2013 6:13:11 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Christie at the beach
People have to be strong(calm)...What part of that don’t you get.

Commandment 6a, quite so, I forgot!

VI. Thou shalt not kill.
VIa. Nevertheless, thou shalt be calm.

They can slaughter one-sixth of the US population, but we mustn't break any windows. Yes, I see what you're saying.

49 posted on 04/15/2013 6:23:15 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: darrellmaurina; Admin Moderator

The gist of Baldwin’s argument in the expunged link was that the Constitution is the lawful authority, not the official, in our country. He was saying that citing Romans 13 as an excuse to do nothing but submit, is lame. I don’t think he was advocating violence. Although if someone were to bomb Pearl Harbor tomorrow, I believe he might.

More than two thousand died at Pearl Harbor. Some 50 million Americans have been slaughtered by abortionists. I would call any violence against that an act of national defense, but...

(Mod, can you tell me why the post was removed so I won’t make that mistake again? Thanks.)


50 posted on 04/15/2013 6:33:23 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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