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Students Told to Take Viewpoint of the Nazis [high school English class]
New York Times ^ | April 12, 2013 | JESSE McKINLE

Posted on 04/14/2013 6:20:00 AM PDT by grundle

ALBANY — High school is full of hypotheticals, like “How does one solve for x?” and “What happens if I skip class?” But this week, students at Albany High School were given an alarming thought puzzle: How do I convince my teacher that I think Jews are evil?

That question was posed to about 75 students on Monday by an unidentified 10th-grade English teacher as a “persuasive writing” exercise. The students were instructed to imagine that their teacher was a Nazi and to construct an argument that Jews were “the source of our problems” using historical propaganda and, of course, a traditional high school essay structure.

“Your essay must be five paragraphs long, with an introduction, three body paragraphs containing your strongest arguments, and a conclusion,” the assignment read. “You do not have a choice in your position: you must argue that Jews are evil, and use solid rationale from government propaganda to convince me of your loyalty to the Third Reich!”

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: New York
KEYWORDS: newyork

1 posted on 04/14/2013 6:20:00 AM PDT by grundle
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2 posted on 04/14/2013 6:22:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: grundle

Hint to Albany HS students. Just lift some rhetoric from Obama about bitter clinging Christian gun owners. Easy A.


3 posted on 04/14/2013 6:26:17 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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This is a poorer than average area. Doubtful the students can read adequately, making this exercise even more suspect.

This apparently was NOT a debate class learning both sides of an argument.


4 posted on 04/14/2013 6:26:32 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: grundle

The students were instructed to imagine that their teacher was a Nazi and to construct an argument that Jews,whites,blacks,asians,mexicans were “the source of our problems”.
An easy way teaching a hate mode so they can grow up to be reporters.


5 posted on 04/14/2013 6:29:29 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: grundle

And, still, American Jews continue to vote for liberal Democrats... even though liberal Democrats are the biggest Anti-Semites around


6 posted on 04/14/2013 6:30:20 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: grundle

I had a teacher with a number tattooed on his forearm. Needless to say, he never asked us to justify the nazi position for him.


7 posted on 04/14/2013 6:32:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grundle
Teacher Asking Students to Think Like Nazis Suspended
8 posted on 04/14/2013 6:34:55 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: grundle

Asking ‘How do you solve for x’ is not a hypothetical question unless x is expected not to in fact exist. The question become hypothetical when it is being asked in the absence of any demonstration the the situation ever has existed or ever will exist. In that sense fantasy novels are huge hypothetical questions. However, a mathematical function which has a determinate answer must in fact generate a result which either does or readily can exist. So the question is not hypothetical.

The author of the piece appears not to have the best grasp of English language. Nor do any of the putative editors (whose existence might be hypothetical).


9 posted on 04/14/2013 7:16:51 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: grundle

Nick Brino, a 10th grader, said he had heard about the assignment from a classmate. “I thought it was wrong,” he said. “But she was flipping out, saying if anyone was going to do it, she wasn’t going to be their friend.”


This may or may not be true, as students often exaggerate. But, if it is, this teacher has other issues.


10 posted on 04/14/2013 7:23:49 AM PDT by rbg81
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Ugh. Nevermind my previous post. I misinterpreted who the student was quoting. Must drink more coffee.


11 posted on 04/14/2013 7:25:29 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Travis McGee

This actually could have a been an excellent thought provoking assignment if, and this is a big if, the teacher included as part of the assignment to also explain how propaganda is used to manipulate people and how people can be taught to recognize it when seen.


12 posted on 04/14/2013 7:31:01 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: grundle

I guess this exercise would have been ok if it had been to write propaganda on how conservatives are evil. I believe I read somewhere that she was going to follow up the exercise with reading a book about the suffering of a Holocaust Jew. Which might have evened out the discussion - “see what this leads to.” I think this is a knee jerk reaction.


13 posted on 04/14/2013 7:32:41 AM PDT by informavoracious (The ancient Greeks and Romans thought they were on the "right side of history.")
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I misinterpreted who the student was quoting. Must drink more coffee.
Not your fault - I couldn't figure who "she" was either.
It was the "journalist's" fault for not defining who "she" was in the quote. (Probably a grad of Albany HS.)
14 posted on 04/14/2013 7:34:30 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Fzob; grundle

I think her whole point was to show how state-controlled propaganda can be used to demonize people and plant ideas in the minds of the public. She was probably considering this to be the classic in demonization and wanted to use it as an actual example to show that propaganda “works” in the real world.

Maybe she didn’t present it very clearly, or perhaps she should have made it less personal - that is, asking the students to write an analytical piece, rather than one putting themselves in the shoes of the German newspaper readers who were the targets for this propaganda and manipulation.


15 posted on 04/14/2013 7:44:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: grundle
Students Told to Take Viewpoint of the Nazis [high school English class]

NAZI ideology is default democrat party philosphy.

There is no viable, arguable difference.

As for the ovens, their position will gradually "evolve".

Let's not give it time.

16 posted on 04/14/2013 7:44:42 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: grundle

Liberal haters think nothing of making groups they consider inferior the target. She probably never thought to make HER ilk the hypothetical target as in, “Write a persuasive argument as to why public school English teachers are evil”.


17 posted on 04/14/2013 7:59:12 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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“How do I convince my teacher that I think Jews are evil?”

I will take David Axelrod, Rahm Emmanuel, Cass Sunsteen and George Soros for 100 Alex.

Jews aren’t evil. Some of them were Communists that Hitler wanted to do away with. The rest of us were collateral damage.


18 posted on 04/14/2013 8:21:44 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: livius
I tend to agree. I had teachers in history and social studies throughout high school who did nutty stuff like this in an attempt to create an atmosphere that made you realize the realities of certain things. I can remember one time our class was re-formed to function as a socialist collective where assignments, homework and tests were done as a collective instead of by the individual and everyone would get the same EXCELLENT and FAIR grade. Well, you can imagine what we all thought of socialism at the end of the experiment. What would people think today if a kid came home and said "guess what!? Our teacher converted our classroom into a socialist setting so we could learn better"?

All in proper context... and I know there are real and threatening problems in the school system, it is undeniable. I just think we need to keep things in perspective

19 posted on 04/14/2013 8:58:20 AM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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NY teacher who gave ‘Jews are evil’ assignment suspended
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3007711/posts


20 posted on 04/14/2013 10:35:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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I think that perhaps she needed to give a little more “public” prep - that is, announce this project to the principal, etc. - because it strikes me as a valuable project in showing how the state can demonize an “out-group” and whip up the citizenry to blame that group for all their problems. (Obama sparodically attempts to do that with Christians, but fortunately he doesn’t quite have the power yet.)

I haven’t seen the name of the teacher, but frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that she was Jewish and was trying to teach a largely non-Jewish student body about the experience of being Jewish (or any hated minority) under a state that needs to have a scapegoat.


21 posted on 04/14/2013 4:27:51 PM PDT by livius
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