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Sen. Rubio defends emerging immigration deal as ‘not amnesty’
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Posted on 04/14/2013 7:36:45 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Sen. Rubio defends emerging immigration deal as ‘not amnesty’ By Cameron Joseph - 04/14/13 09:38 AM ET

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) blitzed all five Sunday shows in his most public pitch yet for the emerging immigration reform bill, arguing that it would control the border, and rejecting conservative criticisms that it provided “amnesty” for illegal immigrants in the country.

"This is not amnesty. Amnesty is the forgiveness of something. Amnesty is anything that says 'do it illegally, it'll be cheaper and easier,'" Rubio, a member of the bipartisan ‘Gang of Eight’ senators set to unveil their immigration bill on Tuesday, said on “Fox News Sunday.”

Rubio said the bill would allow illegal immigrants to stay only after meeting a series of requirements, including having a job and paying fines, and would require them to wait years before applying for citizenship.

Rubio also emphasized that immigrants allowed to stay in the U.S. would get that status only provisionally and wouldn't have access to any government programs, including food stamps, ObamaCare and Medicare.

Rubio, a Tea Party favorite, is a key figure in winning GOP support for the bill. But the contentious politics also place the potential 2016 presidential candidate in a difficult spot, as many conservatives are strongly opposed to offering immigrants who came here illegally a chance to stay in the U.S. and eventually apply for citizenship. The charge is the most potent attack conservatives have lobbed at the bill.

The Florida senator, though, argued that the time was ripe for addressing immigration reform.

"This is an issue that needs to be solved," he said.

He argued that the current system is "de facto amnesty" and that the bipartisan plan would greatly improve control of the border with Mexico, create an "entry-exit" monitoring system to keep immigrants from overstaying their visas, and an "E-Verify" system to make sure companies aren't illegally hiring unauthorized immigrants.

Rubio also pushed back against a report from the conservative Heritage Foundation that immigration reform would be costly to the government. A similar report helped derail immigration reform six years ago by undercutting conservative support for the measure.

"Conservatives love dynamic scoring," he said, arguing the bill's effects should be taken on the whole and not just looked at from what it would cost the government. "This will be a net positive for our country now and for the future."

Former Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), a close Rubio ally who helped get him elected in 2010, is now head of the organization — and has long been a staunch opponent of giving illegal immigrants any legal status.

The Gang of Eight first unveiled their framework in January and have been negotiating details of the pal since then. The measure will include tougher border security measures, a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, as well as new programs for guest workers and high-skilled immigrants.

A House group is working on its own bipartisan immigration overhaul, and leaders from both parties have said they hope to move on legislation soon. President Obama has made immigration reform a top priority for his second term.

Rubio has taken a cautious approach to talks on the bill in the past, and has urged Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) to move slowly, allowing time for senators to build public support for their proposals.


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As if anyone has read the bill............
1 posted on 04/14/2013 7:36:45 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
Not defending Rubio, but he could be the only few who had ‘read’ the bill.

But we all know it is their aides who fill these figureheads on highlights of what is in the bill. These senators are just way too busy. Actually reading the bill gets in the way of things.

Rubio still saying the bill is ‘not amnesty’ tells us one thing - he is not fit to lead.

2 posted on 04/14/2013 7:43:25 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Actually, the E-verify, the sealed borders, et al are already part of Federal Law in one form or fashion.

Rubio naively (I’m hoping its just that) is going back to the same things none of the other legislation assured, although it called for such.

He is also naive in thinking hispanics will vote for Republicans if he engineers this. It didn’t pan out for Reagan in 1986, nor will it now. His heritage is coloring his judgement, at least I hope so.

Finally, If I’m wrong on the above two counts, Rubio is just another effing slick talking politician trying to set him self up and secure, or advance, his position. In that regard, he can go to hell.

Come to think of it, there isn’t anything in his and his compadre’s bill that I want, except for closed borders, and we should have already had that.

In 2016, whoever the Republican Candidate is, it had better not be Rubio, or another with Rubio for VP, because I’m done with him and the Republican Party. I’ll just not vote that box.


3 posted on 04/14/2013 7:45:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Sir Napsalot
Here's my problem with what Rubio's saying: What is Congress HIDING in a 1,500 page immigration bill that's being released to the public only ONE DAY before hearings convene? Any wonder why this Citizen doesn't trust this Congress or President as far as I can throw them?

Don't tell me, let me guess: Congress has to PASS the bill and Obama has to SIGN it before they can tell us what's in it! TRAITORS ALL!!!!

4 posted on 04/14/2013 7:47:38 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Sub-Driver

‘not amnesty’....... I call BS! Do they get to stay here? Yes. Do they eventually (I don’t care how long it takes) get to become citizens? Yes. How is that not amnesty?


5 posted on 04/14/2013 7:48:11 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Sub-Driver
You can always tell the closet RINOs by their Rod Blagojevich hair.
6 posted on 04/14/2013 7:48:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: Gaffer
Actually, the E-verify, the sealed borders, et al are already part of Federal Law in one form or fashion.

Correct, and NEITHER are being enforced! So I guess we have to pass another bill to fix the problem?!

We don't need a single new law in this country. Not for immigration, not for "gun control grabbing, not for anything. Simply enforce the laws already on the books is all that's required.

No more laws!

7 posted on 04/14/2013 7:49:28 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Sub-Driver
I'm sick of the "Gang of eight."

If they are going to make all decisions, the others should go home and save us the expense of a full Congress!...

and close the barber shop!

8 posted on 04/14/2013 7:50:05 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

President Obama has made immigration reform a top priority for his second term.

And so it becomes Rubio’s.


9 posted on 04/14/2013 7:50:25 AM PDT by BushCountry (What does it matter now!!)
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To: Gaffer
it had better not be Rubio, or another with Rubio for VP

He's not constitutionally eligible for either office. But since the Constitution is now ignored I guess it won't matter.

10 posted on 04/14/2013 7:50:52 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: Sub-Driver
immigrants allowed to stay in the U.S. would get that status only provisionally and wouldn't have access to any government programs, including food stamps, ObamaCare and Medicare.

If you aren't just lying through your teeth Rubio then you are a naive fool. There 0.1% chance that the bill you guys pass will have that in it. If the bill passed has that in it there is 0.0% it will be enforced.

11 posted on 04/14/2013 7:51:41 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Sir Napsalot

Rubio is such a fool. He is intentionally misleading everyone without regard to the consequences of adding 30 million poor uneducated people to the welfare roles.

Rubio is is playing the role of an ignorant little patsy for the democrats. In the end, Rubio is no better than Chuck Schumer. Rubio is a Democrat masquerading as a Republican.


12 posted on 04/14/2013 7:52:08 AM PDT by o2bfree (Lindsey Graham is left of South Carolina. Lindsey Graham votes like a Democrat)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You can always tell the closet RINOs by their Rod Blagojevich hair.

SNORT!!! As a citizen trapped in the People's Socialist RepuliK of Illinois that just made me laugh out loud!

Only in Illinois can we have one Governor in-office, one ex-Governor in Federal Prison, and one ex-Governor finally out of jail, but electronically confined to his home for the next two years.

Or as I say: Illinois - Where our Ex-Governors Make Our License Plates!

13 posted on 04/14/2013 7:52:58 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Sir Napsalot

You speak as if there is a bill. What actually gets to the Senate 5 hours before they vote on it could be completely different.


14 posted on 04/14/2013 7:54:23 AM PDT by DManA
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To: usconservative
(Said it on another thread - Sen. Session, but I'll copy and paste it here) some one was wondering the bill looked like exactly what Schumer wanted, so what did the Republicans gain.

I’ve been wondering (about) that too.

What did the Republican side of the Gang of Eight get in return? What do they think (1) it is good for the country, and (2) good for their own party?

Think about it.

15 posted on 04/14/2013 7:54:29 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: ASA Vet

Who knows. The media, Democrats, and Republicans have ignored a multitude of questionable items regarding the Oresident. Regardless, I don’t support him on this and never will.


16 posted on 04/14/2013 7:54:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Sub-Driver

MEXICANS, GO HOME!


17 posted on 04/14/2013 7:55:53 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Senore’ Rubio,
up your pal.
Maybe you think this will enhance your white hut run but you are wrong.


18 posted on 04/14/2013 7:56:32 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Gaffer; DManA; All

Rubio is not naive. He’s surrounded himself with the biggest amnesty pushers out there, including using SPLC talking points against any opposition.

Behind the scenes of Amnesty..

See, Who is Cesar Conda?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3007546/posts


19 posted on 04/14/2013 7:57:48 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Sub-Driver

The only thing “broken” about our current immigration laws is that they are not being enforced.


20 posted on 04/14/2013 7:57:53 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Sub-Driver

George Soros could not have bought a more compliant Senator in La Raza Rubio

When asked about his ties to George Soros....Rubio could not hide the puppet strings


21 posted on 04/14/2013 8:00:40 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Like Obama-care, nothing that's going to be proposed in the Immigration Reform SCREW THE AMERICAN WORKER AND TAXPAYER bill is going to be good for American's.

The time is drawing very close for the Revolution. I hope Freepers are prepared. It's coming... it's like a distant but growing thunder.

22 posted on 04/14/2013 8:00:49 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Sub-Driver
As usual with anything involving Chucky Schumer and Mario Rubio it's your basic sidestep of the Thirteenth Amendment ~ but barely.

I really oppose reinstituting slavery in America.

These two have gotta' be locked up and punished for this sort of cr*p.

Human bondage is NOT anyones definition of Conservativism or Liberalism.

23 posted on 04/14/2013 8:00:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sir Napsalot

And where the H3LL is Jeff Flake?


24 posted on 04/14/2013 8:00:53 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: o2bfree
Rubio is such a fool. He is intentionally misleading everyone without regard to the consequences of adding 30 million poor uneducated people to the welfare roles.

Rubio is is playing the role of an ignorant little patsy for the democrats. In the end, Rubio is no better than Chuck Schumer. Rubio is a Democrat masquerading as a Republican.
_____________________________________________________

Sadly, Rubio even fooled Rush. Good grief, Rush touts this guy as a conservative all the time on his show, and how Rubio will only sign on to this “deal” if border security is a 1st priority.

Me thinks Rush is having a hard time understanding who is, and is not conservative anymore. I find myself listening to him less and less. Oh well.

25 posted on 04/14/2013 8:01:07 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: ought-six
The only thing “broken” about our current immigration laws is that they are not being enforced.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!

26 posted on 04/14/2013 8:01:44 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Sub-Driver

I don’t think any bill that is 1500 pages can be any good!


27 posted on 04/14/2013 8:02:49 AM PDT by texhenry
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To: lonestar
I'm sick of the "Gang of eight."

The Gang of Eight is basically the Gang of Four, but with twice as many running dogs.

28 posted on 04/14/2013 8:05:31 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Marco Rubio is my Senator. I've followed the comments on the threads discussing this bill he's sponsoring. Nowhere have I seen VOTING RIGHTS discussed. Unless these illegal immigrants are prohibited from VOTING until they qualify for citizenship, this bill is a non-starter for me.
29 posted on 04/14/2013 8:07:32 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: muawiyah

>>> I really oppose reinstituting slavery in America.

Some of us won’t go down without a fight.

THEY’ve been busy pushing towards it, and they will get their wish.


30 posted on 04/14/2013 8:09:46 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Ok it is not just amnesty ... it is earned amnesty. what difference does it make?


31 posted on 04/14/2013 8:12:12 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

It’s a step toward slavery.


32 posted on 04/14/2013 8:13:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: shove_it

Marco Rubio is my Senator.....and he proved me smart when I voted for Alex Snitker in the election in 2010...instead of the two GOP liberals running

Marco Rubio has always supported Illegal Alien Amnesty... he did so while Speaker of Florida House and he does as Senator.

Real Conservatives do not support La Raza Rubio


33 posted on 04/14/2013 8:14:54 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Artcore
Always remember he's an entertainer generating "obscene profit."

He's not nearly as smart as he believes, but his act is successful so will continue.

34 posted on 04/14/2013 8:15:57 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: AuntB

I know about Cesar....I was only trying to look at the potential bent of Rubio from an open mind. I find nothing about his latest attempts to sell my country’s sovereignty down the river justified.


35 posted on 04/14/2013 8:16:03 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeminoleCounty

Do you know how voting rights are handled in his bill?


36 posted on 04/14/2013 8:17:49 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: Sub-Driver

If Rubio is thinking of running for the White House, he won’t be doing it on the GOP ticket after this.


37 posted on 04/14/2013 8:18:24 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
rubio lies to us as he slips the knife into our hearts... he is not now nor has he ever been a conservative in the classic sense or a patriot... and he is not a leader for our side... the American side that loves his/her country and to whom “Nationalistic” is not a bad word. AMERICA FIRST! That is not a sin!

America is not a color or party... it was a GOD inspired idea set to law. Those laws are being destroyed by traitors like rubio, mccain, wicker, grahamnesty, collins, boehner and many others... and every rat dim alive and dead... their dead still vote!

Sorry... “no more mister nice guy... no more mister clean” Thanks Alice!

LLS

38 posted on 04/14/2013 8:19:32 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Sorry Rubio.

Right now for the first time, China is exporting more than America.

Let me repeat that. China is now exporting more than America.

What you should do, if you want support, is whatever it takes to bring back American jobs.

Hire Americans. First.

Then once US employment is actually increasing - rather than falling as it has for the last 20 years.

Once US employment is actually increasing.

THEN talk about amnesty.


39 posted on 04/14/2013 8:23:08 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: usconservative
>>What is Congress HIDING in a 1,500 page immigration bill...<<

The last big immigration reform push by Bush, Graham, McCain, Kennedy (notice the R's) would have allowed illegals (after amnesty) would be eligible to apply to bring up to four of their relatives to this country.

Also buried deep in the legal speak was the ability for these new citizens to apply for the “earned income tax credit” if their income fell below the poverty floor as described by the tax code.

Hundreds of millions of our tax dollars in free handouts to the newly made American citizens who broke our laws by entering illegally.

So, fellow wolverines......search the legal jargon down deep in the bill. May just find these lil gems once again.

Just sayin.

40 posted on 04/14/2013 8:24:39 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Sub-Driver; xzins

Any bill which does not prosecute and deport every immigrant who committed document fraud and identity theft is an amnesty bill.

Any bill which grants forgiveness to illegal immigrants for the commission of what would be a felony if committed by an American Citizen is not only an Amnesty bill but an act of treachery against all law abiding Citizens.

When GWB proposed such a “reform” I called for his impeachment. I’m not going to give Rubio a pass on this.

This is treachery. Rubio needs to be recalled.


41 posted on 04/14/2013 8:28:01 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Okay, so before the burning of Rubio in effigy starts, what exactly does the bill say? :)


42 posted on 04/14/2013 8:31:17 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Zhang Fei
I'm sick of the “Gang of eight.”

I am sick of the gang of 535...make that 537 to included the “ass” and “vice-ass” in what was once considered the peoples house...I now refer to it as “the black house of doom”...at least to our rights and freedom and country that was once called America and now amerika!!!!

43 posted on 04/14/2013 8:32:21 AM PDT by ldish (Give me Freedom and Liberty or let's kick some a**!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Let me get this straight.

Since 1986 the borders have been left wide open, they were never controlled as promised in the Simpson Muzolly deal.

Prop 189 was overturned buy a libtard court as unconstitutional.

The borders remain open even after 9/11 (I can only surmise it is a deliberate action to destroy this Country, because no could be so stupid as to not control borders after an attack).

The one man, Joe Arpaio who enforces both Federal immigration and workplace laws is sued by the Feds for doing it.

The Feds have not enforced their own laws for the past 30 years yet I’m supposed to believe they’ll enforce these?

They give illegal invaders a path to Citizenship telling us there is no way to deport them, then they want to destroy the value of my/our American Citizenship by granting them the same status I was born with, all because they did not do THEIR jobs?

FUMR!


44 posted on 04/14/2013 8:33:58 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Gaffer

ALL politicians shy away from any difficult duty. Its just part of their nature. That is why we had the amnesty in 1986 and we will have the larger amnesty in 2013 and then god knows what kind of amnesty in about 20 more years.

The preface to all discussions about immigration reform starts with the words “We cannot round up and deport 11-20 million illegals”. When in fact Ike proved that we certainly can. What they really mean is that they can’t or won’t take the heat from the MSM and La Raza for cracking down and doingwhat is necessary to make these people self deport.

The border between the US and Mexico will never be locked down its not going to happen and actually it doesn’t really need to happen. So no we don’t need a secure border to keep illegal immigration to a minimum.

We already have E-verify in place and it generally works pretty well. Add to that no education for the illegal kiddies, no renting to illegals, no drivers licenses, no welfare of any kind, no using the emergency room for a doctor’s office. Without a work visa you get nothing. Put these things in place and the number of illegals will diminish to minimal level.

So,”Immigration reform” is a false political solution not a real solution. It starts with the promise of securing the border first. WE all know that won’t happen. Then getting in line for citizenship. Getting in what line? They are already here living and working and getting the benefits. Now they will be able to bring their extended families who are still in other countries so immigration will really swell under the “immigration reform” not diminish. Basically the line starts in the front for all the 11-20 million mostly hispanics and their extended families still in other countries.

Studies have shown that only about 20% of hispanics have any interest in becoming US citizens. They are highly natonalistic and proud of their heritage. So that means that about 80% will stay in the shadows and continue to soak up the freebies.

Where does all this leave the millions of Irish, Russian, Romanian, Phillipino, Indonesian, Korean and Indian folks who have been waitig for years for their number to come and be allowed in legally? A high number of these folks have a good educatio and desireable skill sets.

The answer to this question cannot be repeated often enough. Politicians cannot or will not do a difficult job. They are all eager to get this problem behind them. The fact that it will rear its ugly head again in a few years is not important to them. By that time it will be somebody else’s problem.


45 posted on 04/14/2013 8:34:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Headline should read Rubio TRIES to defend Bill. . .


46 posted on 04/14/2013 8:34:40 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Artcore
and how Rubio will only sign on to this “deal” if border security is a 1st priority.

I guess Rubio is too young to remember 1986 and Simpson Muzzoli.

Same crap all over again.

Anyone got that pick of Lucy with the football?

47 posted on 04/14/2013 8:42:00 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Sub-Driver

They wouldn’t have access to government services...So they wouldn’t be able to claim refundable child tax credits or EITC payments?


48 posted on 04/14/2013 8:47:08 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
That is why we had the amnesty in 1986 and we will have the larger amnesty in 2013 and then god knows what kind of amnesty in about 20 more years

Don't forget one important part of that deal, closing the borders!

The dems screwed Reagan on that part just like they did with spending reduction in the TEFRA deal.....wonder if they would ever do something like that again?

49 posted on 04/14/2013 8:47:31 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I agree with your post. The crux of the problem is the instant answer “we cannot.....”.

The underlying reason for this isn’t difficulty; it is the unwillingness of Democrats to deport 20-50 million illegal, yet potential Democrat voters, and 2) the greed of business’ desire for cheap labor.

These people are here to rape our entitlement resources, pay very little (actually nearly no state or Federal income taxes and and only the basic payroll OASDI/Medicaid taxes) or NONE at all for cash only work.

They are automatic criminals upon entering, criminals that rape, rob, murder and DUI maim our citizens. They bring heretofore extinct disease, overburden our emergency rooms, inundate our schools with difficult to educate minors, and a host of other ills. There is no value added by these people at all, except to Democrats and greedy business enterprises.

So, to tell me and others that we can’t round up these criminals and deport their asses back to Mexico is reprehensible and just lazy. Obama wants to put every 4 year old in government education camps. Why can’t he get rid of all these illegals?


50 posted on 04/14/2013 8:48:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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