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Gold-sucking technique dredges up California controversy
Fox News ^ | April 14, 2013 | Michelle Macaluso

Posted on 04/14/2013 7:53:19 PM PDT by Ron C.

A legal battle is brewing over whether California gold miners should be allowed to vacuum up the bottoms of rivers.

The controversy is about a process called suction dredge mining, a practice popularized on the Discovery Channel show "Bering Sea Gold" but banned for the last four years in California, as state courts continue to weigh new environmental regulations.

"Suction dredging is the best way to extract gold from the environment," said Craig Lindsay, a former dredger and president of the Western Mining Alliance, an advocacy group working to protect mining rights in Western States.

Suction dredge mining is a process in which prospectors look for gold by diving underwater using a 4-inch wide hose to vacuum dirt and gravel to find gold.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; gold; government; idiocy
What a crock!! I've been closely associated with mining gold along the Merced river coming out of Yosemite National Park for at least 60 years. My foster grandfather mined the banks of the river in the late 19300's and I panned for gold along the river just below Briceberg for several years between 1950 and 1960.

At the same time I was along the river 5 to 8 miles below Briceberg, there were several different people who used suction to pull up material trapped behind large rocks in the river - successfully finding hundreds of ounces of gold behind those rocks. It was hard work, but well worth the time.

No evidence of mercury in those deposits were ever identified, nor was there ever any documentation of Mercury ever being used there or above that point along the river above.

This is just another government intrusion prohibiting the freedom to search for gold along the rivers of the US.

1 posted on 04/14/2013 7:53:20 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.

The benefits to the local area were great - without the dredging you wouldn’t have the levies along the Feather River to prevent flooding.


2 posted on 04/14/2013 8:11:55 PM PDT by Cribb (Home of Conservatism - America's middle class.)
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To: Ron C.

Dredging by individuals was in full swing in the 70’s when I got to hang out in Gold Country in the 70’s.


3 posted on 04/14/2013 8:16:27 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Ron C.

I believe that any mercury that is in those gold bearing waters is so loaded with gold that is quickly falls into the riffles of the sluice box. A real prospector recognizes what it is and keeps it. Not quite sure why a gold miner would not try to trap those small amounts of mercury to extract the gold from and reuse in their own gold recovery efforts.


4 posted on 04/14/2013 8:17:38 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: Ron C.

People in Ca have been dredging forever.


5 posted on 04/14/2013 8:30:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Yeah...CA sucks


6 posted on 04/14/2013 8:46:07 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: spokeshave

It does now.


7 posted on 04/14/2013 8:47:09 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: spokeshave

Oh.. that’s a joke LoL


8 posted on 04/14/2013 8:47:42 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ron C.

Gold sucking?

Sounds like they have experience.

Been married?


9 posted on 04/14/2013 9:42:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Ron C.

In past years one could dredge Idaho waterways with a permit from Idaho agencies. Guess what? This year the EPA has determined that they need to permit this activity as well. Gold prospectors in Idaho aren’t going to go along with this.

America was nice while it lasted.


10 posted on 04/14/2013 9:48:51 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Ron C.

I did this for diamonds in my youth

Venezuela. ;Brazil....Sierra Leone

Only real issue was war and violence


11 posted on 04/14/2013 10:47:11 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Ron C.

Suction dredging REMOVES it (mercury) two. It’s majorly environmentally beneficial.

If you follow the money, there are something like 5 companies who are going to get to “remediate” mercury via suction dredging, and they will keep the gold they get with it, and I’d speculate they will do this as the claims are allowed to go fallow.

My idea on this has always been, a mining claim is TANGIBLE PROPERTY and EVERY CLAIM HOLDER needs to assess their unit (very liberally!) and sue the state over the law as being a “taking” without recompense.


12 posted on 04/14/2013 10:56:06 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Cribb

These are tiny dredges, not the old drag-line self channel creating monsters of yore...


13 posted on 04/14/2013 10:57:08 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: 43north

Under 1866 and 1872 mining law the minerals of the west on public lands were deeded to the people. Any non amended regulatory impingement of existing individual means (not corporate) is a taking IMO.


14 posted on 04/14/2013 10:59:03 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: mylife

Why don’t we use Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer as dredges? They’ve sucked for decades and have the mouths to prove it.

I once showed a picture of Pelosi to a Grouper fish and he died on the spot. Couldn’t take the competition as the biggest sucker around.


15 posted on 04/14/2013 11:03:00 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Touche


16 posted on 04/14/2013 11:19:46 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ron C.

Allowed? Allowed?

I have a question, should “liberal” judges be allowed to breath?


17 posted on 04/15/2013 12:09:48 AM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Ron C.
Government will never allow it again until they figure away to do it and keep all the profits for themselves. Kind of like the Waffen-SS selling the hair shaved from gas chamber victims to be used for stuffing mattresses.
18 posted on 04/15/2013 12:33:13 AM PDT by Lockbar (Quality Factory Loaded Ammunition ------- The New Gold)
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To: spokeshave

Moonbeam Jer says ‘America...do not muddy the water around us, you may have to drink it soooon’

i.e. watch closely as an entire country magically tragically becomes Cali for lorn ja...in the blink of an eye on a piece of paper titled ‘AMNESTY’ Coming soon to a town and city near you....


19 posted on 04/15/2013 1:56:14 AM PDT by jimsin
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To: Ron C.

What happens to clear water rivers downstream? Does dredging cloud a clear water river? If so, how does that affect fish, animals, & people downstream?


20 posted on 04/15/2013 6:25:31 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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Does dredging cloud a clear water river?

Flooding does...

21 posted on 04/15/2013 7:02:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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"Does dredging cloud a clear water river?"

Not hardly at all. Yes some clouding does occur, but in the overall that clouding is extremely miniscule compared to the whole river.

I fished, quite successfully immediately below (80-90 feet) from where they were working at the base of large rocks in the midst of the river. No visible amount of 'clouding' of the river even rose to the surface.

You have to remember - the amount of water coming down the river is probably something like many hundreds of thousands of cubic feet of water - extremely greater than the amount of matter and water that is proceeding up through the dredging operation.

22 posted on 04/15/2013 8:15:48 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.
Indeed!

Dredging is NOT the same as Hydraulicing!


23 posted on 04/16/2013 4:00:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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