Skip to comments.Religious Freedom & ‘Gay Marriage’ Cannot Coexist
Posted on 04/15/2013 7:29:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Therefore pride is their necklace; they clothe themselves with violence. Psalm 73:6
Gay pride necessitates anti-Christian hate. It must. Gay marriage and other sexual orientation-based laws do violence to freedom and truth. They are the hammer with which the postmodern left intends to bludgeon bloody religious liberty and the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic.
According to the unequivocal moral precepts of the Judeo-Christian tradition explicit throughout both the Old and New Testaments homosexual behavior is a sin. Sin is evil. Homosexual behavior is the central, defining characteristic of so-called gay marriage. Therefore, gay marriage is evil. Christians are obligated to avoid sin to do no evil.
I know; its not popular to speak such simple truths in todays politically correct world. But Im not out to win a popularity contest.
Neither is Ms. Barronelle Stutzman. Ms. Stutzman is the Christian owner-operator of Arlenes Flowers in Richland, Wash. She is, by all accounts, a lovely, sweet, elderly woman who both employs and regularly serves open practitioners of the homosexual lifestyle. Sadly, she has become the latest victim in a fast-growing string of secularist attacks against Christians and other morally minded people. If same-sex marriage becomes the law of the land, I can assure you that we will soon see a virtual explosion in the same kind of anti-Christian persecution Ms. Stutzman now suffers.
Recently, one of Ms. Stutzmans frequent homosexual customers requested that she provide flower arrangements for his same-sex wedding. She politely declined, saying that her Christian conscience and relationship with Jesus Christ prevented her from any involvement with counter-Christian same-sex marriage. She was, quite simply, a Christian being Christian. The two hugged and parted ways.
Unfortunately, in our ever-progressive culture, being Christian has fast become a most dangerous proposition. As each homofascist demand is checked from liberals sin-centric wish list, it only gets worse.
As a result of her constitutionally guaranteed religious free exercise, Washington States newly elected Attorney General Bob Ferguson filed charges against Ms. Stutzman, seeking both a monetary judgment and an injunction to physically force her to violate her Christian conscience. He would compel her to either lend her artistic expression in support of counterfeit gay marriage something Christianity steadfastly recognizes as mortal sin or face further charges.
Speaking of steadfast, to her credit, Ms. Stutzman has stood firm. She has refused to cave under Fergusons tyrannical torment. Ferguson, on the other hand, has revealed himself a creep and a coward a progressive bully who apparently gets off on abusing elderly women. Hes a disgrace to Washington State and should be thrown out of office and disbarred.
Still, this type of government persecution must be expected. Ferguson is a liberal. The liberal viewpoint is that any viewpoint, save the liberal viewpoint, must be criminalized and prosecuted.
Like many of us, Joseph Backholm, with the Family Policy Institute of Washington, has long warned about the consequences of radically deconstructing the institution of natural marriage. Now that the law says marriage is genderless, he recently wrote of Ms. Stutzmans ongoing abuse, those who think otherwise [must] conform or be punished. Now liberals believe they are legally entitled to someone elses labor.
To homosexuals I say this: Yes, you are equal in Gods eyes. You are loved. These things are true, not because of your homosexual lifestyle, but, rather, they are true in spite of it.
Most homosexuals know intuitively, I think, that their lifestyle is unnatural and immoral and that the oxymoronic notion of same-sex marriage is a silly farce. Thus, they must force others to affirm both their self-destructive lifestyle and their mock marriages under penalty of law. They must physically compel everyone to engage their emperors new clothes delusion, so they can feel better about bad behavior.
Well, my friend, making everyone else call evil good and good evil wont fill that dark void in your soul. Only repentance and redemption through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ can do that.
When we give deviant sexual conduct preferred status in law, Christian morality becomes illegal. If you think government-recognized gay marriage is harmless to society, youre playing the fool. It places the Christian sexual ethic and free exercise of religion in direct conflict with law. Its my sense that many liberty-minded people are finally coming awake to this disturbing reality.
Although we all sin, Christians are commanded to neither support nor engage in evil. Hence, Christians true Christians cannot engage in nor condone the unrepentant practice of homosexual behavior. Neither can we support sin-centric gay marriage.
This rudimentary equation is built upon the natural laws of moral physics. Christianity is magnetically charged truth. Homosexual behavior is a magnetically charged lie a spiritual and biological falsehood. Christianity and homosexual sin are as north to south. Polar opposites cannot occupy the same position in time and space. They repel one another. Its physically, spiritually and legally impossible for religious freedom and preferred legal status for sexual sin to coexist in harmony. Ms. Stutzmans persecution is just the latest example of this timeless reality.
Why are Christians so afraid to call sin sin? Its time for invertebrate believers to grow a backbone. Truth, in love, is the balance. Yes, the world will hate you, because it first hated Christ. So what? Count it a blessing even unto death.
Heres my recommendation: When those who are lost to the world hate on you, laugh at them. Then cry for them. Then pray for them. Follow Christs example and ask, as did He, that God forgive them, for they know not what they do.
Then get up, dust yourself off and get back in the fight.
Albert Einstein once said, Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it.
He was right.
Barronelle Stutzman followed this advice and though she currently faces government persecution for her choice she has also become an accidental hero. Pray for her. I know God will surely bless her faithfulness.
Still, know this: If you are a Christian in todays America, you too will almost certainly find yourself with a similar decision to make. When mans law violates Gods law, you will have to choose which to obey. Choosing God can mean persecution.
Ive made my choice.
How will you choose?
Also from Michael Brown at Townhall:
Consider Illinois Senator Mark Kirk, who on April 2nd announced his support for same-sex marriage. He explained that Same-sex couples should have the right to civil marriage. Our time on this earth is limited, I know that better than most. (Senator Kirk recently had a serious stroke.)
Then, for his intended coup de grace: Life comes down to who you love and who loves you back government has no place in the middle.
What? These are the words of an elected U.S. senator?
Does Kirk not understand that the government does not get involved with the question of who you love and who loves you back but rather with the institution of marriage?
Does he not understand that the reason society conveys benefits on marriage is because marriage conveys benefits on society, namely, the ability (as a rule) to produce children for the next generation and to join those children to their mother and father? (Newsflash: It still takes a man and a woman to produce a child, and that is why it has always taken a man and a woman to constitute a marriage.)
And does Kirk really believe that the government should redefine marriage based on who you love and who loves you back? If so, then the government needs to recognize any loving relationship as marriage, regardless of age, number, or gender. But this is what Senator Kirk proudly declared.
Behold the effects of drinking the same-sex marriage Kool-aid!
“Choosing God can mean persecution”
American Christians. The next Coptics.
Jim Wallis of Sojourners, had argued that justice requires us to support (and even bless) same-sex unions, he also stated clearly that, I dont think the sacrament of marriage should be changed. Some people say that Jesus didnt talk about homosexuality, and thats technically true. But marriage is all through the Bible, and its not gender-neutral.
Now, Wallis has declared his support for the radical redefinition of marriage, explaining, I think we have to talk about, now, how to include same-sex couples in that deeper understanding of marriage. I want a deeper commitment to marriage that is more and more inclusive, and thats where I think the country is going.
What? These are the words of a noted Christian leader?
How seriously can Jim Wallis be taken when he tells us in 2008 that marriage is all through the Bible, and its not gender-neutral and then in 2012 wants to make it gender-neutral? And how can he imagine that by removing the most essential components of marriage, namely one man and one woman, marriage will be made stronger? This would be like suggesting that, since car sales are down, well say that bicycles and motorcycles are cars. (This is not meant to be a precise analogy but rather illustrative.)
And if Wallis truly wants to make marriage more and more inclusive, then he needs to embrace polygamous marriage and polyamorous marriage and more. Does he really mean what he says?
And has Wallis forgotten that as Christians, we do not determine our values by looking at where the country is going? Instead, as followers of Jesus, we are called to swim against the conformist, worldly tide of the age, calling society back to the timeless ways of God. Yet Jim Wallis wants to redefine marriage and make it gender-neutral based on where the country is going.
Behold the effects of drinking the same-sex marriage Kool-aid!
Well there you have it! Gay marriage is trending. What else are politicians to do?
Revolt is coming.
Right after revulsion.
> Religious Freedom & Gay Marriage Cannot Coexist
This has been my argument against it the WHOLE TIME!
Again! America has looked EVIL in the face and embraced it. I look for more and more “Christian” leaders to capitulate to the other side.
If two homosexuals want to call themselves married and live accordingly, they are allowed to do so anywhere within the United States. Thus, if its not illegal, its legal.
What is being debated is the ability to force third parties to provide them with benefits based on that status.
If people were allowed to interact or not interact as they chose, then gay marriage would be a non-issue.
homosexual marriage and science can not exist together
Atheism believes in science
Atheism and homosexual marriage can not exist together.
>> Religious Freedom & Gay Marriage Cannot Coexist
> This has been my argument against it the WHOLE TIME!
And this means the END of legally preaching the whole Gospel, because if you can’t identify SIN, then you don’t need a Savior!
As Billy Graham said, before you can get people saved, you need to get them lost, first. And you can’t get them lost, if you’re not allowed by law to tell them what sin is.
I read a Freeper post where she described her feelings as homo-nasium. Perfect description, right?
I do not care what the gays want to do to each other in private. Just keep it out of my family's face and pay for it yourselves.
And they can call it anything they like, but its not marriage. Just like a donkey wearing a saddle is not a Mustang.
Jim Wallis is a socialist first. Keep that in mind.
The whole “gay rights” thing is just a façade and a tool of the left to criminalize Christianity.
It’s not about tolerating them...
There’s another agenda.
If taking a round to the head for having a relationship with Jesus Christ is my destiny, I can't think of a more honorable way to leave this world.
And there are a startling amount of child predators when you look behind the veil.
America's Founders expressed in our Declaration of Independence, and throughout their writings and speeches, a "reliance on Divine Providence."
After decades of neglect, censorship, and outright attempts to obliterate their ideas of liberty from the minds of America's citizens by the enemies of freedom, technology suddenly has brought about a revival of those ideas. The movement known as the Tea Enough Already party groups is proof that the so-called "progressives'" 100+-year effort to impose a counterfeit set of ideas is encountering and engaging an informed "remnant" in defense of liberty.
Perhaps this Nock piece may serve to remind today's citizens of some things they need to consider, especially the implications of paragraphs five and seven.
The seedbed of ideas which produced the Declaration of Independence may yet yield its harvest, as it is kept alive in the minds of citizens.
When an elected band of ideologically-opposed officials begin to impose their will on the rights of conscience to the degree we see today, perhaps the enlightened "remnant" who have read and understand the Constitution's protections will articulate those protections to new generations.
Our church pastor spoke about it Sunday. He said we can choose to follow the "God we want" or the "God that is." The God That Is, through Paul, very clearly states His position against homosexuality (Romans 1:26-27).
“Religious Freedom & Gay Marriage Cannot Coexist”
Yup, and only one of them is mentioned in the constitution.
“I disagree. Most Christians are simply to apathetic to care. God has always worked with a remnant.”
That and keep a close eye on the growing “global south” Christians, who are or will send missionaries to the west to do what the west did years ago to the global south, send missionaries to bring the good news of the Gospel of Jesus.
The “god we want” is simply an idol.
And this is the “for this reason” mentioned in Romans 1.
The belief of all the pro-homosexual marriage people is that homosexuality is the equal of heterosexuality...just a different kind of sexual choice. If that were true, then nobody would be upset if their children were homosexual. If they could have a choice whether their child was a homo or a hetero, how many heteros would choose homo? How about zero percent would choose that. And if like a number of researchers say homosexuality is determined in the womb by the overproduction of male or female hormones, then correcting that overproduction would eliminate homosexuality.
In short, you are then saying homosexuality is a medical condition/disorder that is correctable. And if you have a disorder and are able to correct it, why wouldn't you? But what you don't do is to say it is a desirable condition and promote it by allowing messed up people i.e. homosexuals to "marry" or adopt children.
An important history told in the (Sophie Scholl) movie shows how people were persecuted for their beliefs....Ms. Stutzman is sort of a parable to Sophie Schull and those times, now beginning to appear in America from the left....'perverts' come in many guises including Attorney General Bob Ferguson.
Roland Freisler (Attorney General Ferguson) was a prominent and notorious Nazi lawyer and judge.
RE: What if you’re like me and believe homosexuality is a mental disorder?
According to the latest PC definition, YOU are the one who has a mental ( and a moral ) disorder, not the homosexual.
And the liberals will defend it by citing the fact that the American Psychiatric Association has taken it off their “disorder” list.
Yes, I know...that was more than forty years ago. I didn’t agree with it then either. Nobody is going to convince the human anus was designed for sexual intercourse, the main method of sex for male homosexuals. Not even a roomful of shrinks...especially not a roomful of shrinks.
It all started BIG TIME, when the sodomite in chief, Mr. bathhouse himself, said he had “evolved” on sodomite “marriage”. Like it or not, Americans still look to the president to set the example, to set the tone of the nation. When the president of the United States REFUSES to enforce the Federal Law, mandated by the US Congress, called the Defense of Marriage Act, which says marriage is an institution of one man and one woman, he should have been impeached. No president can pick and choose what laws he’s going to enforce. But he’s treated like a king, so he gets by with any thing he feels like doing. He even had the gall to say his “God” (what God???), compelled him to come to his decision on queer “marriage”. That is the crux of the problem folks. Elections have consequences and we now four more long years, of a Bible-hating socialist setting the “example” for the the rest of the nation. If that SOB had not been reelected, this queer “marriage” garbage would have gotten no where. His four and a half years as “president” of this country have been a nightmare and will only get worse.
Don’t forget, they just wanted government out of their bedrooms when this all began.
Exactly. Sodomy has been the efficient tool in a so-called democratic republic for encroaching upon Christianity. It’s noticeable that no Islamic business has yet been subject to one of these lawsuits.
Homofascist Washington ping (since the article refers to Washington AG Ferguson subverting the power of the state to punish a Christian for practicing her faith).
2 Timothy 4:3 is apropos:
For the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires.
The APA has ZERO credibility on anything.
Believing you are multiple people trapped in the body of one person is a mental disorder
Believing you are a woman trapped in a man’s body is not a mental disorder.
Rush Limbaugh might call these - low information Christians.
While the article is morally and religiously correct, the “magnetic” analogy is 100% wrong. Opposite poles attract each other, identical poles repel.
“He explained that Same-sex couples should have the right to civil marriage. “
so sodomites have a superior right to redefine marriage than the rest of us? What about Zoophilia, or poligimany, or you going to extent the same ‘right’ to refashion the tool of ‘marriage’ to suit thoses folk’s desires?
Isent anyone concerned about the people who actually need marriage to be a marriage?
Why can’t the state simply let theses people fashion their own institution for whatever sinful propose they have? Why must the State facilitate their efforts to hijack anther institution designed for a very specific propose which they obviously have as little interest in as their coupling has capability?
It is quite obviously theses people who desire to violate our rights by hijacking and refashioning our institution to suit their needs as apposed to ours.
RE: so sodomites have a superior right to redefine marriage than the rest of us?
If it were only limited to them, this would not be a problem. The problem lies in the HUGE non-homosexual populace who are willing to placate them and support their cause ( see Portman, Rob and Olson, Ted for instance ).
This is exactly the goal. Gay marriage is not illegal in this country and if one wanted to keep the government out of it then that is exactly what DOMA does it keeps the federal government from recognizing gay marriage. Its not an equality issue its a deconstruction issue. Deconstruct the church, deconstruct the family, deconstruct what is deemed to be normal sexuality and replace these institutions with bigger government. Why a government is big enough to redefine marriage it is big enough to do anything and it has proved it will. Where SSM takes root you see lgbt indoctrination being forced into classrooms, grade school kids are educated on multiple sexualities and encouraged to hold mock same sex marriages and that its ok for princesses to marry other princesses and princes to marry princes. They also use this to deconstruct maleness.
Those that embrace ssm and gay activism are not conservatives they are traitors.
Well then perhaps the court should just make it clear that if they do this then marriage as we know it is dead to the Federal Government. Its just a contractual relationship that no more represents marriage than any others.
That to uses the name marriage for this contractual relationship is itself an paramount to reasoning and an assault upon the culture & institution of others.
Meanwhile good christian & others would be wise to be looking to recreate the real institution of marriage in their own institutions.
Base this recreation upon the original definition, bounds & limits of marriage. No divorce, and centered upon children.
Hopefully the majority of us should be able to avoid persecution such as other good christian are being made subject to in liberal states for not embracing sodomy.
When the republican party ran the Governor who gave the nation “gay marriage”, and who has campaigned for almost 20 years to homosexualize the military and the Boy Scouts, and who ran pro-choice ads in some states, then we knew that 2012 was a year of moving the entire political discussion left.
“For some voters it might be enough for me to simply match my opponents record in this area. But I believe we can and must do better. If we are to achieve the goals we share, we must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern. My opponent cannot do this. I can and will.
We have discussed a number of important issues such as the Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which I have agreed to co-sponsor, and if possible broaden to include housing and credit, and the bill to create a federal panel to find ways to reduce gay and lesbian youth suicide, which I also support. One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clintons dont ask, dont tell, dont pursue military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nations military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share.
As we begin the final phase of this campaign, I need your support more than ever. By working together, we will achieve the goals we share for Massachusetts and our Nation.
W. Mitt Romney”
Nobody is going to convince the human anus was designed for sexual intercourse, the main method of sex for male homosexuals.Joseph Sciambra (former gay man) would agree with you: "Satan Loves Anal Sex" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTYbHWGQME4
I have said this many times, and I wish conservatives would shout it from the rooftops. The left has been able to spin "gay marriage" as "giving gays the same freedoms as everyone else", rather than as a "forbidding people's right to voluntarily offer benefits to those they like without forcing them to offer such benefits to those they don't."
I'd like to see some "gay marriage" advocates asked a relatively simple three-part question:
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