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GM, Ford to collaborate on new transmissions
Google.com/AP ^ | 04/15/2013 | TOM KRISHER

Posted on 04/15/2013 7:37:00 AM PDT by Abathar

DETROIT (AP) — General Motors and Ford are putting aside their longstanding rivalry to work together to develop a new generation of fuel-efficient automatic transmissions.

The companies said Monday that their engineers will jointly design nine- and 10-speed transmissions that will go into many of their new cars and trucks.

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Perhaps the Lions will win the Super Bowl this year too, considering hell just froze over in Detroit...
1 posted on 04/15/2013 7:37:00 AM PDT by Abathar
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To: Abathar

I hope it’s not this one.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o


2 posted on 04/15/2013 7:38:30 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: V_TWIN

Funny !!! But seriously, from a technical standpoint, a 10 speed trans would keep the engine in the peak torque range and deliver great gas mileage.


3 posted on 04/15/2013 7:42:33 AM PDT by refermech
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To: Abathar

Government Moters and government approved Moters to collaborate on new transmissions

Probably is a better headline.

The Big Three is starting to remind me of the German auto/motorcycle industry around 1935.

Difference between a 1937 BMW and 1937 Zundap?


4 posted on 04/15/2013 7:43:33 AM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: refermech

Hope it’ll be an auto shift, manual would be a beoch.


5 posted on 04/15/2013 7:45:27 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: Abathar

Well, if they do manage to design something worthwhile, maybe they can sell it to Chrysler? Chrysler has the worst transmissions.


6 posted on 04/15/2013 7:46:12 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Abathar
Supposedly automatic transmissions are so good now that manual transmissions don't offer any fuel savings.

My old Saturn with an automatic transmission got an averaage of 35 mpg, but my newer Corolla with a manual transmission averages the same mileage.

But there is a huge difference in pick-up. The Corolla has much better acceleration. It's like night and day.

7 posted on 04/15/2013 7:48:53 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: brownsfan

Well, if they didn’t let their assy. mechanics smoke pot and drink booze during the lunch break it might help in the area of product quality.


8 posted on 04/15/2013 7:49:50 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: brownsfan

Fiat will beg GM to give it to them for free, and in bipartisan friendship they will...


9 posted on 04/15/2013 7:50:31 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

Will the casings flex and pop, and will they have plastic pieces in them designed to break at 30K miles so that they will be replaced with a metal part for $500 or higher?
[Way to go GM, way to go.]


10 posted on 04/15/2013 7:52:33 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Abathar

And put those 10 speed transmissions in the Fiat 500!


11 posted on 04/15/2013 7:54:41 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Something you might already know, IIRC the Toyota Corolla has been on the market longer than any other model by any other make. I bought a 1980 model brand new, to this day it is the best built car I ever owned.


12 posted on 04/15/2013 7:55:59 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: Abathar

9-10 speeds? Chortle.

You can thank the idiot CAFE standards for this.

It’s a transmission that constantly shifts gears and fools you into thinking you are really moving.


13 posted on 04/15/2013 8:08:36 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
I had a 1986 ford escort sta-wgn with the largest 4 cyl they made with a 6 speed on the floor that got 47 mpg on the highway. And that was able to tow a boat.

I don't think anything out today will get an honest 47 mpg.

14 posted on 04/15/2013 8:11:45 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Abathar
Nissan CVT video, no spoof. I have one, 2013 Altima, and I can tell you everything they say in this video, is TRUE.

Most impressive is hill climbing. I live on a very steep hill. My 2006 Nissan Altima was a great car. It had tremendous power for a 2.5 liter, 4 cylinder. It still struggled a little climbing our hill. Nowhere near as much as my Chevy van 6 cylinder does.

Our new 2013 Nissan Altima (2.5 liter, 4 cylinder) with CVT, just GLIDES up the hill. It's amazing actually. It climbs the hill effortlessly. The engine/transmission performance is no different than driving on a level highway.

I know this sounds like a car commercial, but I have no affiliation with Nissan, directly or indirectly. I just love our new car. So if you are excited about this new GM Ford transmission collaboration, you need not wait. The technology is here right now.

Question. Would you want to be the first to buy a car with this new GM Ford transmission?

15 posted on 04/15/2013 8:13:10 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: nascarnation
ping...
16 posted on 04/15/2013 8:14:43 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: faucetman

oops forgot the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLNqzn7WgDQ


17 posted on 04/15/2013 8:15:32 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Abathar

That will be like Richard Hendrick, Jack Rousch and Joe Gibbs teaming up in NASCAR. (That would one hell of a team in NASCAR!!)


18 posted on 04/15/2013 8:21:45 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Rand Paul/Ben Carson should be the 2016 Ticket!)
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To: faucetman

I never buy any vehicle until it has been around for a couple of years after a major change.

Grew up just outside Detroit, too many friends whose dads were engineers.


19 posted on 04/15/2013 8:24:12 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: faucetman
I'd be more comfortable with an acknowledged transmission specialist such as Borg-Warner, Tremec or Getrag spearheading this design. That's the way it's worked in the past; the gearbox company designed the majority of the unit, then the various manufacturers specified input and output shaft dimensions, shifter locations - the details to make it fit their applications.

Still, anything with real, physical gears beats a CVT. Every time I end up in an Altima rental car, it reminds me of the 3.5 hp go-kart that I had as a kid. There's a definite "centrifugal clutch" sensation to the constant-variable design.

20 posted on 04/15/2013 8:31:43 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: brownsfan

Chrysler now has the best auto transmissions in the world. ZF 8 and 9 speeds.


21 posted on 04/15/2013 8:34:01 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Abathar

Ford and GM already jointly produced the 6 speed transmission they are currently using.


22 posted on 04/15/2013 8:35:22 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Tupelo

I have said it many times before (but who pays attention to me...)

Obama did not have to take over the ENTIRE auto industry all at once..., only ONE company. Then use the power of tax dollars to price the others out of existance.

There is no way Ford could produce a ‘Volt’ and sell it (neither can Chevy, without the $$$$ payout you get from the Govt. if you buy one)

And right after they took over GM they closed all the REPUBLICAN-OWNED dealerships.

Then they went after Toyota for a fictional throttle control problem.

now this...


23 posted on 04/15/2013 8:36:07 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: ltc8k6

“Chrysler now has the best auto transmissions in the world. ZF 8 and 9 speeds.”

Well, they should have put them in their vans. Maybe it would have helped keep them out of the toilet.

The transmissions in the mini vans were so bad that the first question they asked me when we traded in our mini van was: “How is the transmission”.

A neighbor had a similar mini van, the transmission self terminated at 77k miles.


24 posted on 04/15/2013 8:42:29 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Beagle8U
I had a 1986 ford escort sta-wgn with the largest 4 cyl they made with a 6 speed on the floor that got 47 mpg on the highway. And that was able to tow a boat. I don't think anything out today will get an honest 47 mpg.

So what happened? The cars are lighter. Is it emission controls?

25 posted on 04/15/2013 9:00:55 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: V_TWIN
We have three Toyotas now. Got sick of our cars constantly being repaired.

We rarely have significant issues with them. But we've had irritating, chronic, minor issues with power windows and door locks.

Overall, it's a worthwhile trade.

26 posted on 04/15/2013 9:02:40 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: brownsfan
Chrysler has the worst transmissions.

I agree. The Charger SRT8 has a 5-speed auto when it should have an 8-speed auto.

27 posted on 04/15/2013 9:06:33 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Abathar

I have the 5 speed Allison in my 2002 Silverado dually, best transmission I have ever seen as a mechanic for over 4 decades. The Tow/haul button comes in handy when loaded up. Its a shame though they dropped the 8100 Vortec engine.
Its a torque beast, 496 cubic inches, originally designed as a marine engine, rock solid bottom end, fuel injected at 340hp or so depending on after market chip tweeks.


28 posted on 04/15/2013 9:16:33 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: brownsfan
Well, they should have put them in their vans. Maybe it would have helped keep them out of the toilet.

Chrysler's had plenty of trans problems with their transverse transaxles, to be sure.

However, there's a significant bit of consumer fault - i.e. not RTFM'ing.

I have an 02 Sebring with the revised version (41TE) of the A604.

Whenever I've changed the fluid, the bottles I buy at the parts store are dusty - indicating to me that, despite thousands of Chryslers in my area, nobody is putting the right fluid (ATF+4) in their cars/vans.

Most are apparently putting in Dexron/Mercon, which has different friction and lubrication properties and will eventually kill the transmission.

Likewise, I can't even find a parts store that carries the Chrysler-spec coolant, which is different from the green stuff and the orange Dexcool stuff. I have to order it online or go to the dealer. Also leading me to believe that no one is using what Chrysler specified in their cooling systems. How much of that contributes to water pump failure in Chryslers is anyone's guess.

On the Chrysler-specific boards I frequent, these are common problems with people who buy used Chryslers and no doubt contribute to some of their otherwise still well-deserved reputation for problems.
29 posted on 04/15/2013 9:22:24 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Abathar
I never buy any vehicle until it has been around for a couple of years after a major change

That used to be standard common sense in Michigan. My sister bought a first year Lumina and that was a disaster.
30 posted on 04/15/2013 9:44:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: brownsfan

The new ZF transmissions were only available from 2012 onwards.

They are incredible. BMW uses them as well.


31 posted on 04/15/2013 9:53:25 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: V_TWIN

No, the sperling bearings are obsolete when the dingle arms are periodically actuated.


32 posted on 04/15/2013 10:00:01 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: SVTCobra03

The Grand Cherokee SRT8 has been spotted with the 8HP70 8 speed trans, so the trans can definitely handle the 6.4L.


33 posted on 04/15/2013 10:00:35 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Yeah, I’ve got a 2009 tacoma that was assembled in Baja California. Not sure it’s quite as well built as the 1980 corolla that was completly manufactured in Japan was, but its still better than my 1987 gmc S10 was.


34 posted on 04/15/2013 10:13:49 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: brownsfan

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/04/read-between-the-lines-volvos-8-speed-automatic/#more-484240

...The big boys in passenger car automatic transmission design are: ZF, GM, Aisin, Mercedes, Jatco and Hyundai.

Why am I not including Chrysler and Honda? Chrysler is easy: they have chosen to license/tweak transmissions from ZF rather than developing their own

Ford can’t make up their mind co-developing a 6-speed transaxle with GM, then licensing ZF’s 6-speed RWD swapper. All indications seem to point to Ford licensing the 8-speed RWD box from ZF while splitting development costs with GM on new xx-speed transaxles for smaller cars.

Honda doesn’t tend to sell its in-house transmissions to other companies and if the rumor mill is correct, Honda will be buying ZF’s 9-speed transaxle while they shift R&D dollars to CVT development.

What does that mean to you as a consumer? And why are we talking Volvo and Lexus? Because companies tend to stick with a transmission maker for the long haul.

BMW has a history of buying GM and ZF. Luxury car companies (and now Ford and Chrysler) typically use ZF cog-swappers. Ford Europe and Renault are in bed with Jatco. Chrysler likes Hyundai’s FWD transaxles. Toyota, Lexus, Volvo, MINI, VW, Mitsubishi and Porsche order from Aisin’s transmission catalog.

Consequently when a new Euro sedan comes out with ZF’s latest widget, you know that sooner-or-later every ZF customer have it. (There is usually a delay because companies will pay extra to have a period of exclusive access to new technology.)...


35 posted on 04/15/2013 10:16:22 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: headstamp 2

>It’s a transmission that constantly shifts gears and fools you into thinking you are really moving.<

And of course with all of that constant hunting, these things will never need a rebuild. Noooo. < /S>

And rebuilding the things won’t cost any more than rebuilding current ATs.


36 posted on 04/15/2013 10:43:10 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Eye of Unk

GM had the best transmission for sure, but it is hard to beat the Cummins engine.

A mating of those two would have totally dominated the heavy truck line for decades.


37 posted on 04/15/2013 12:41:38 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Charles Martel

This is an automatic.
GM and Ford have historically done their automatics in house.
The 6 speed fwd for medium size cars has been a joint venture of Ford and GM since 2006.


38 posted on 04/15/2013 5:35:35 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Abathar

We built a bunch of Dodge Rams with the Cummins/Allison for development.

After the Germans took over, they scuttled the Allison program, 1999 maybe? They wanted to dump the Cummins in favor of their in house engine but never got around to that, and then in 2007 they were gone.


39 posted on 04/15/2013 5:40:49 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

Yes, I figured it was an automatic. As you said, those are historically very proprietary. However, Ford has been involved in a joint venture with Getrag to design a modular dual-clutch automatic that can be scaled to a number of applications, both FWD and RWD. The Powershift series is moving in the direction of Volkswagen’s DSG - more like a manual than a traditional automatic.


40 posted on 04/15/2013 6:12:11 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

It’s all the smog crap and the corn gas regulations.


41 posted on 04/16/2013 4:05:41 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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