Skip to comments.GM, Ford to collaborate on new transmissions
Posted on 04/15/2013 7:37:00 AM PDT by Abathar
DETROIT (AP) General Motors and Ford are putting aside their longstanding rivalry to work together to develop a new generation of fuel-efficient automatic transmissions.
The companies said Monday that their engineers will jointly design nine- and 10-speed transmissions that will go into many of their new cars and trucks.
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I hope it’s not this one.............
Funny !!! But seriously, from a technical standpoint, a 10 speed trans would keep the engine in the peak torque range and deliver great gas mileage.
Government Moters and government approved Moters to collaborate on new transmissions
Probably is a better headline.
The Big Three is starting to remind me of the German auto/motorcycle industry around 1935.
Difference between a 1937 BMW and 1937 Zundap?
Hope it’ll be an auto shift, manual would be a beoch.
Well, if they do manage to design something worthwhile, maybe they can sell it to Chrysler? Chrysler has the worst transmissions.
My old Saturn with an automatic transmission got an averaage of 35 mpg, but my newer Corolla with a manual transmission averages the same mileage.
But there is a huge difference in pick-up. The Corolla has much better acceleration. It's like night and day.
Well, if they didn’t let their assy. mechanics smoke pot and drink booze during the lunch break it might help in the area of product quality.
Fiat will beg GM to give it to them for free, and in bipartisan friendship they will...
Will the casings flex and pop, and will they have plastic pieces in them designed to break at 30K miles so that they will be replaced with a metal part for $500 or higher?
[Way to go GM, way to go.]
And put those 10 speed transmissions in the Fiat 500!
Something you might already know, IIRC the Toyota Corolla has been on the market longer than any other model by any other make. I bought a 1980 model brand new, to this day it is the best built car I ever owned.
9-10 speeds? Chortle.
You can thank the idiot CAFE standards for this.
It’s a transmission that constantly shifts gears and fools you into thinking you are really moving.
I don't think anything out today will get an honest 47 mpg.
Most impressive is hill climbing. I live on a very steep hill. My 2006 Nissan Altima was a great car. It had tremendous power for a 2.5 liter, 4 cylinder. It still struggled a little climbing our hill. Nowhere near as much as my Chevy van 6 cylinder does.
Our new 2013 Nissan Altima (2.5 liter, 4 cylinder) with CVT, just GLIDES up the hill. It's amazing actually. It climbs the hill effortlessly. The engine/transmission performance is no different than driving on a level highway.
I know this sounds like a car commercial, but I have no affiliation with Nissan, directly or indirectly. I just love our new car. So if you are excited about this new GM Ford transmission collaboration, you need not wait. The technology is here right now.
Question. Would you want to be the first to buy a car with this new GM Ford transmission?
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That will be like Richard Hendrick, Jack Rousch and Joe Gibbs teaming up in NASCAR. (That would one hell of a team in NASCAR!!)
I never buy any vehicle until it has been around for a couple of years after a major change.
Grew up just outside Detroit, too many friends whose dads were engineers.
Still, anything with real, physical gears beats a CVT. Every time I end up in an Altima rental car, it reminds me of the 3.5 hp go-kart that I had as a kid. There's a definite "centrifugal clutch" sensation to the constant-variable design.
Chrysler now has the best auto transmissions in the world. ZF 8 and 9 speeds.
Ford and GM already jointly produced the 6 speed transmission they are currently using.
I have said it many times before (but who pays attention to me...)
Obama did not have to take over the ENTIRE auto industry all at once..., only ONE company. Then use the power of tax dollars to price the others out of existance.
There is no way Ford could produce a ‘Volt’ and sell it (neither can Chevy, without the $$$$ payout you get from the Govt. if you buy one)
And right after they took over GM they closed all the REPUBLICAN-OWNED dealerships.
Then they went after Toyota for a fictional throttle control problem.
“Chrysler now has the best auto transmissions in the world. ZF 8 and 9 speeds.”
Well, they should have put them in their vans. Maybe it would have helped keep them out of the toilet.
The transmissions in the mini vans were so bad that the first question they asked me when we traded in our mini van was: “How is the transmission”.
A neighbor had a similar mini van, the transmission self terminated at 77k miles.
So what happened? The cars are lighter. Is it emission controls?
We rarely have significant issues with them. But we've had irritating, chronic, minor issues with power windows and door locks.
Overall, it's a worthwhile trade.
I agree. The Charger SRT8 has a 5-speed auto when it should have an 8-speed auto.
I have the 5 speed Allison in my 2002 Silverado dually, best transmission I have ever seen as a mechanic for over 4 decades. The Tow/haul button comes in handy when loaded up. Its a shame though they dropped the 8100 Vortec engine.
Its a torque beast, 496 cubic inches, originally designed as a marine engine, rock solid bottom end, fuel injected at 340hp or so depending on after market chip tweeks.
The new ZF transmissions were only available from 2012 onwards.
They are incredible. BMW uses them as well.
No, the sperling bearings are obsolete when the dingle arms are periodically actuated.
The Grand Cherokee SRT8 has been spotted with the 8HP70 8 speed trans, so the trans can definitely handle the 6.4L.
Yeah, I’ve got a 2009 tacoma that was assembled in Baja California. Not sure it’s quite as well built as the 1980 corolla that was completly manufactured in Japan was, but its still better than my 1987 gmc S10 was.
...The big boys in passenger car automatic transmission design are: ZF, GM, Aisin, Mercedes, Jatco and Hyundai.
Why am I not including Chrysler and Honda? Chrysler is easy: they have chosen to license/tweak transmissions from ZF rather than developing their own
Ford cant make up their mind co-developing a 6-speed transaxle with GM, then licensing ZFs 6-speed RWD swapper. All indications seem to point to Ford licensing the 8-speed RWD box from ZF while splitting development costs with GM on new xx-speed transaxles for smaller cars.
Honda doesnt tend to sell its in-house transmissions to other companies and if the rumor mill is correct, Honda will be buying ZFs 9-speed transaxle while they shift R&D dollars to CVT development.
What does that mean to you as a consumer? And why are we talking Volvo and Lexus? Because companies tend to stick with a transmission maker for the long haul.
BMW has a history of buying GM and ZF. Luxury car companies (and now Ford and Chrysler) typically use ZF cog-swappers. Ford Europe and Renault are in bed with Jatco. Chrysler likes Hyundais FWD transaxles. Toyota, Lexus, Volvo, MINI, VW, Mitsubishi and Porsche order from Aisins transmission catalog.
Consequently when a new Euro sedan comes out with ZFs latest widget, you know that sooner-or-later every ZF customer have it. (There is usually a delay because companies will pay extra to have a period of exclusive access to new technology.)...
>Its a transmission that constantly shifts gears and fools you into thinking you are really moving.<
And of course with all of that constant hunting, these things will never need a rebuild. Noooo. < /S>
And rebuilding the things won’t cost any more than rebuilding current ATs.
GM had the best transmission for sure, but it is hard to beat the Cummins engine.
A mating of those two would have totally dominated the heavy truck line for decades.
This is an automatic.
GM and Ford have historically done their automatics in house.
The 6 speed fwd for medium size cars has been a joint venture of Ford and GM since 2006.
We built a bunch of Dodge Rams with the Cummins/Allison for development.
After the Germans took over, they scuttled the Allison program, 1999 maybe? They wanted to dump the Cummins in favor of their in house engine but never got around to that, and then in 2007 they were gone.
Yes, I figured it was an automatic. As you said, those are historically very proprietary. However, Ford has been involved in a joint venture with Getrag to design a modular dual-clutch automatic that can be scaled to a number of applications, both FWD and RWD. The Powershift series is moving in the direction of Volkswagen’s DSG - more like a manual than a traditional automatic.
It’s all the smog crap and the corn gas regulations.
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