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Kentucky U.S. Senators square off with Army Corps of Engineers over Cumberland River Dams
cn|2 Pure Politics ^ | 4/15/2013 | Nick Storm

Posted on 04/15/2013 7:43:15 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat

Top Kentucky and Tennessee officials rallied over the weekend to urge the Army Corps of Engineers Nashville District to halt plans to erect barricades to 10 dams along the Cumberland River because of hazardous conditions near the dam.

Republican U.S. Sen. Rand Paul and U.S. Sen. Mitch McConnell joined up with Republican U.S. Rep. Ed Whitfield of Hopkinsville and Tennessee Republican U.S. Sen. Lamar Alexander push back against the decision, which would prevent boaters from getting near the dams.

The Army Corps of Engineers want to restrict access near the 10 dams along the Cumberland River because of powerful currents that can capsize boats and drown fisherman. Since 2009, three deaths and ten near deaths have been reported at the dams, according to the Corps.

But the members of the federal delegation say the issue has more to do with the division of power between the state and the federal government. And McConnell called it an example of an out-of-control “nanny state.”

“They’re trying to tell us what we can do. Where we can do it. How often we can do it. As if they’re smarter than all the rest of us,” McConnell said.

Paul echoed McConnell’s statements, saying it’s more of an issue of how out of touch Washington is with Kentucky.

“It’s not that the federal government is inherently stupid. Although it’s a debatable question. It’s that they’re just too far away,” Paul said. “That’s why we wanted a division of government.”

Whitfield filed the Freedom to Fish Act in the House in February as a measure to stop the Corps from erecting the barricades. The group said they would do everything in their power to allow fisherman to boat near the dams.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: cumberlandriver; mcconnell; paul

1 posted on 04/15/2013 7:43:15 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
“It’s not that the federal government is inherently stupid. Although it’s a debatable question.

LOL! I wonder what his FR screen name is.

/johnny

2 posted on 04/15/2013 7:54:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Growing up in Indiana I learned early how foolhardly kain-tuck-eh boaters, et al, are. If it hadn't been for that state's citizens who snuck over to our side we could have gotten rid of 60% of our court system and almost all our jails

I really do believe they want to be able to boat close to the dams ~ 'cause they don't care!

3 posted on 04/15/2013 8:08:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Republican Wildcat

Wellll, there was a case in Pa. a few years ago when a tugboat lost control of it’s barges and went over a dam. Two or three tugmen were drowned. Of course, it all depends on how much of the river will be off limits to fishermen. Either way, I can see it’s a state’s issue.


4 posted on 04/15/2013 8:13:46 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

Not a state issue. All navigable waterways in the United States fall under the jurisdiction of the US Army Corps of Engineers and have for over a century.


5 posted on 04/15/2013 9:06:53 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Republican Wildcat

Their right public safety is the Provence of the state and individual. Washington has no business butting in.

Let the State or its citizens decide what risk is acceptable.


6 posted on 04/15/2013 9:08:36 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: stormer

“Not a state issue. All navigable waterways in the United States fall under the jurisdiction of the US Army Corps of Engineers and have for over a century.”

If its dammed it anti exactly navigable, and even if it were its still inside the State, and Not under Federal jurisdiction.

I’m sorry I don’t see that in the Federal Constitution. I see interstate commerce but their anti no commerce here and even if there were the federal safety regulation has nothing to do with commerce!


7 posted on 04/15/2013 9:12:16 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: Amberdawn

“Wellll, there was a case in Pa. a few years ago when a tugboat lost control of it’s barges and went over a dam. Two or three tugmen were drowned. Of course, it all depends on how much of the river will be off limits to fishermen. Either way, I can see it’s a state’s issue.”

You know to “regulate Commerce” means to make regular not to obstruct or to prohibit or to make safe. Just to make regular as in abolish state barriers to commerce. Washington over the last 100 years has run away with that clause to justify everything under the sun.

This act which concerns safety has nothing to do with commerce, nor any regulations there of.


8 posted on 04/15/2013 9:16:17 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: stormer

I see. My mistake.


9 posted on 04/15/2013 9:26:19 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Monorprise

You may be under the mistaken impression this government stays within its constitutional boundaries. It hasn’t since Washington was President. It’s been one encroachment after another for over 200 years.


10 posted on 04/15/2013 9:27:41 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Monorprise

If there’s a boat on it, it’s navigable. Navigable also include any waters that have been traditionally navigated and USACE also administers waters that have a significant physical, biological, or chemical nexus with and navigable waters.


11 posted on 04/15/2013 9:46:36 PM PDT by stormer
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To: muawiyah

As a “foolhardy” kain-tuck-eh”ian who happens to live within “spitting” distance of that dam and lake, I can tell you that our _main_ problem with it, is out-of-town boaters, mainly from the northern states....like Ohio, Indiana and Michigan. From the first of April until the last of September, the locals usually stay off the lake and out of the way. After putting up with the hassle from out-of-towners with that kind of attitude, no, we really don’t care how close to the dam y’all get. :-)


12 posted on 04/15/2013 9:52:50 PM PDT by calicoblaze
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To: muawiyah

Well a mans got a right to be stupid, he just don’t got a right to injure others.


13 posted on 04/15/2013 10:13:37 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: stormer

“If there’s a boat on it, it’s navigable. Navigable also include any waters that have been traditionally navigated and USACE also administers waters that have a significant physical, biological, or chemical nexus with and navigable waters.”

I know what the Federal employees in black robes said about their own power.
I simply can’t accept such a ridiculously broad power grab, whether it happen yesterday or a 100 years ago.


14 posted on 04/15/2013 10:23:23 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: stormer

“If there’s a boat on it, it’s navigable.”

That’s not entirely true. I worked for a CA company and we were discharging some clean cooling water from a press into a local creek. One day the Coast Guard showed up and asked us for our “discharge permit.” It seems that the creek flows into a non-navigable river, which, in turn, flows into San Francisco Bay ( sometimes). Since, at times water flows through this “collection,” the creek is, by definition, “navigable,” One of our engineers said we didn’t know because they hadn’t parked their Cutter out back! Someone should have put the Army Corps of Engineers out of business right after WWII. They are just an arm of the EPA.


15 posted on 04/15/2013 10:48:07 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

Yeah - that’s the “significant nexus” aspect. But USACE doesn’t make the rules - congress does.


16 posted on 04/15/2013 10:58:45 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Monorprise
I simply can’t accept such a ridiculously broad power grab, whether it happen yesterday or a 100 years ago.

And the heck of it is, the States gave their power away a hundred years ago. The 17th Amendment was an invite to consolidated power the national government couldn't refuse.

17 posted on 04/16/2013 1:27:45 AM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: calicoblaze
You do know those wild visitors are down there 'cause they's daddys and they's daddy's daddys, and sometimes theys daddy's daddy's daddys CAME fum they'are ~ 'en they never changed, or nothin'.

Those kay-wackians ~

18 posted on 04/16/2013 2:56:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Republican Wildcat

It’s not that the USACE is being “smarter than the rest of us”, in this case it is McConnell being dumber than Ashley Judd, or pandering to those who are. It’s their dam, and their responsibility to set safety rules. Are they being over-cautious? Of course. Is the dams’ main purpose to create fishing spots? Of course not. May as well bitch that the FAA doesn’t let air passengers walk in front of jet engine intakes on the apron. Isn’t that a violation of our right to go wherever we damn please also?


19 posted on 04/16/2013 3:25:24 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot (Communism - a social experiment which, for ethical reasons, should not be performed on live humans)
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To: muawiyah

Sure, we know it.....and to us, they have been gone from our wonderful state for too long and have been indoctrinated with the liberal “nawthern” agenda for so long, that they think they know more than us poor old white trash hillbilly folks, and therefore have a “better than us” attitude. It all boils down to personal responsibility. I mean, if you can’t see a 700 foot dam looming in front of you and aren’t cognizant enough to be aware that it can have a heck of an undertow.....well, we just figger you’re on your own. The “local yokels” just try to stay out of their way and hope summer is over fairly quick. LOL (I have “kin” in those states and I’m not vilifying what I don’t have personal knowledge of....just what we’ve encountered on a personal level.)


20 posted on 04/16/2013 5:03:35 AM PDT by calicoblaze
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To: calicoblaze

Glad you unnerstan ~ BTW, roughest bunch we had in third grade were the kids from Harlin and Hazzard ~ they’d already gotten 10 years work experience in the mines.


21 posted on 04/16/2013 5:06:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jacquerie

Not every state, but your right we are fighting to reclaim the freedom past generations have thrown away, and our children & grandchildren will have to fight this fight too.

Right now and for the foreseeable future the most important thing we can do is educate. We must preserve & instill into each generation the memory of freedom. For they must know what it is that they lost and what it is that they must fight to reclaim.


22 posted on 04/16/2013 12:47:57 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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