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Mile High City bracing for epic 4/20 in wake of legal pot
Daily Caller ^ | 04/15/2013 | Greg Campbell

Posted on 04/16/2013 8:49:41 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

Last year, the University of Colorado-Boulder made national headlines for its efforts to stamp out what has historically been one of the most popular days on campus — the 4/20 marijuana smokeout, which in the past has drawn up to 11,000 pot smokers who toke up on the university’s quad at 4:20 p.m. on April 20.

Determined to see an end to the tradition, university officials took the unusual step of closing the campus to nonstudents and hosing down the lawn with a fish-based fertilizer that made the quad smell as appealing as an Alaskan pier.

Activists were outraged, but the school’s efforts paid off so well that they’ve announced a repeat of the measures this year (minus the fish fertilizer).

But with the passage in November of Amendment 64, which legalized recreational marijuana use by those 21 and older, people might not even notice that CU is largely pot-free.

That’s because practically every other corner of the state will be Rocky Mountain High with the celebratory toking of locals and visitors alike as this year’s 4/20 celebration is likely to dwarf anything seen in the past.

Colorado is bracing for thousands of out-of-state tourists who will take advantage of the new law, with 50,000 people expected for a smoke-out at Civic Center Park near the state capitol in Denver Saturday, and thousands more to attend the High Times’ Cannabis Cup competition, the first such non-medical event to be held in the United States.

Although it’s still illegal to smoke in public, police are expected to follow the same protocol as they have during past outdoor 4/20 celebrations and largely look the other way. The sheer numbers of pot smokers give officers little choice.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; drugwar; libertarian; marijuana; potheads; prodope; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
Dopeapalooza.
1 posted on 04/16/2013 8:49:41 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

I could celebrate earth day 4-22 and 4-20 at the same time by burning a tire for earth day, the great smoke in and also put some CO2 in the atmosphere to help melt my 16” of global warming.


2 posted on 04/16/2013 8:54:22 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Just wait until they figure out they can tax it to death like tobacco. The whining from the stoners will be loud and long.

But not loud enough and long enough to drown out the "need" for new revenue.

3 posted on 04/16/2013 8:55:04 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Why should CU officials bother?

With the science/engineering/math departments excepted, the rest of the university is a cookie cutter collection of samo-samo liberal losers incapable of holding a job in the real world. Of course, CU is not different than other large universities - the sad part is that it is very much the same.

Want an example? Think Ward Churchill. Full Professor. Head of Department. No academic credentials whatsoever. faked copied books. Soooooo very fits the place. (Yes, he was fired....but only after CU was shamed into it.)


4 posted on 04/16/2013 8:57:01 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Responsibility2nd

I was going to post this but I really couldn’t think of anything to say. It is the “new NORML” now in kolorado. Maybe keeping guns out of the hands of a bunch of dope loaded dumbasses ain’t such a bad idea after all. Regrets to all the gun owning law abiding victims. We may all feel your pain if we’re not careful. Keep the pressure on the asshats in d.c.


5 posted on 04/16/2013 8:57:53 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Responsibility2nd

Libertarians, rejoice.


6 posted on 04/16/2013 8:59:42 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: rktman

You can bet they wouldn’t just look the other way if a lot of gun owners openly carried their arms in a similar demonstration.


7 posted on 04/16/2013 9:05:12 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Vigilanteman
Just wait until they figure out they can tax it to death like tobacco. The whining from the stoners will be loud and long.

Libertarians hardest hit...

8 posted on 04/16/2013 9:06:30 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
You kidding? Their own political party is so impotent they're flooding into the Republican party. Them, and gun loving demoRATs.

And thanx to Jorge Busho, conservatives really have no place left to go.

9 posted on 04/16/2013 9:06:48 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: Responsibility2nd

April 20 Hitlers birthday.


10 posted on 04/16/2013 9:16:25 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Vigilanteman

The politicians have it figured out. Here in Washington the tax man will levy a 25% tax on pot at every level of transaction. Grower-25%-Wholesaler-25%-Retailer-25% + any sales and B & O tax on top of that. (We don’t have an income tax so many cities enact a much hated B & O tax, Business and Occupation at around 8% and the average sales tax is about 9%) The law prohibits a grower from being a wholesaler-retailer, each level must be a stand alone entity. Can’t short-cut the tax stream dontcha know!

92% tax on pot!!! The State is already revising their once sky high estimates of tax revenue down because even those greedy bastards know with taxes that high, legal pot will never be profitable. Also, the Fed’s will not allow any business deductions so who will grow pot for the legal market for free or rather it will cost a grower to produce for the state. LOL!


11 posted on 04/16/2013 9:53:38 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Vaduz

Columbine too


12 posted on 04/16/2013 9:58:53 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Responsibility2nd
Stay out of the snack foods aisle at the convenience store and you'll be fine...

CC

13 posted on 04/16/2013 10:02:58 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Hey liberals, what part of "unalienable" don't you understand?)
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To: bigfootbob
with taxes that high, legal pot will never be profitable.

Nonsense - pot is produce, and even at a 92% tax rate only the most exotic legal produce costs as much as illegal pot, for which many are willing to pay.

14 posted on 04/16/2013 10:22:48 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: bigfootbob
The politicians have it figured out. Here in Washington the tax man will levy a 25% tax on pot at every level of transaction. Grower-25%-Wholesaler-25%-Retailer-25% + any sales and B & O tax on top of that. (We don’t have an income tax so many cities enact a much hated B & O tax, Business and Occupation at around 8% and the average sales tax is about 9%) The law prohibits a grower from being a wholesaler-retailer, each level must be a stand alone entity. Can’t short-cut the tax stream dontcha know!

92% tax on pot!!! The State is already revising their once sky high estimates of tax revenue down because even those greedy bastards know with taxes that high, legal pot will never be profitable. Also, the Fed’s will not allow any business deductions so who will grow pot for the legal market for free or rather it will cost a grower to produce for the state. LOL!

 

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You bring up very interesting points about the government taxing the crap out of marijuana. Lets look what happens when Bloom-ing Idiot taxes cigarettes in New York City. I'm told US cigs are $5 a carton when not taxed. That is right, 50 cents a pack. But a carton in NYC is $140. That is $135 in tax, or $13.50 a pack.

So what is the obvious solution for smokers? That's right. The Black Market. And when New York sends smokers to the Black Market, who benefits? That's right. Terrorists.

60% of cigarettes sold in New York are smuggled: report - CNN Money

Black-market cigarettes costing NY $20M a month - New York Post

3 Out of 5 Cigarettes Sold in State With Highest Cigarette Taxes are ...

Large scale cigarette smuggling networks in New York State are dominated by tight knit nationality-based networks, primarily families through blood or marriage of Lebanese, Yemeni, Jordanian and Palestinian descent.

Federal and New York State law enforcement officials estimate that nearly 60 percent of all convenience retail outlets in New York City are now Arab-owned, and with the Arab networks compartmentalized by ethnicity and family ties, the risk of infiltration by law enforcement is minimal.

In total, law enforcement officials in New York State estimate that well-organized cigarette smuggling networks generate between $200,000 – $300,000 per week. A large percentage of the money is believed to be sent back to the Middle East where it directly or indirectly finances groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas and Al Qaeda.

more...

Back to marijuana. Legal or illegal; its quite clear the Cartels are going to profit here. If a state is stupid enough to legalize it they will have to subsidize it. If they are stupid enough to tax it - you can be sure the Cartels will funnel more and more drugs to idiot tokers at a lower cost.

There are a million reasons to keep marijuana illegal. This is just one.

15 posted on 04/16/2013 10:26:47 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
If a state is stupid enough to legalize it they will have to subsidize it.

Why? Nothing in your post supports this bizarre claim.

16 posted on 04/16/2013 10:42:33 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Responsibility2nd
This is nothing new. For several years Civic Center Park has been full of stoners openly smoking on 4-20. Police are all over the place, but don't arrest for pot.

CU is a different story, but not because they are prudes about pot. It's well known that CU and Boulder police will try to break up any large gathering of students, usually calling it a "riot," whether there is any misbehavior or not.

17 posted on 04/16/2013 10:45:59 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

They would have to subsidize it to undercut the Cartels. Naturally - that won’t happen - the State will tax it. Like cigarettes.

But faced with a choice of paying $15 for a (legal easy to get) joint or $5 for a (illegal easy to get) joint, what will people do?


18 posted on 04/16/2013 10:51:51 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
They would have to subsidize it to undercut the Cartels.

No, they merely have to refrain from taxing it out the wazoo. Moonshine is a negligible part of the alcohol market despite no subsidies for legal alcohol.

19 posted on 04/16/2013 10:59:28 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

During Prohibition we had illegal booze coming in through Canada. After the 21st, suddenly illegal manufactorers and distillers were now legal corporations. Paying taxes and everyone’s happy.

During marijuana prohibition we have illegal dope coming accross the border from Mexico or even grown here in the states by the Cartels. If we legalize it, suddenly the Cartels will become legal corporations paying taxes.

Is that what you want?


20 posted on 04/16/2013 11:08:56 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
During Prohibition we had illegal booze coming in through Canada. After the 21st, suddenly illegal manufactorers and distillers were now legal corporations. Paying taxes and everyone’s happy.

Not the same actors, and not performing the same violent criminal acts. Thanks for the pro-legalization argument!

"The lush traffic in alcohol beverages during the violent years of 1920 to 1933 had laid the base of organization for a number of criminal gangs. The termination of the ban on liquor deprived these gangs of their most lucrative source of money" - Special Committee to Investigate Organized Crime in Interstate Commerce

21 posted on 04/16/2013 11:11:47 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

You (intentionally) miss the point. The issue is taxes. And answer the question: Would a doper spend $15 for a $5 joint?

Back to the issue in real life: 3 out of 5 cigarettes in NYC are sold through the Black Market which funds terrorism.

Why? Cigarettes are legal, right?


22 posted on 04/16/2013 11:19:27 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
You (intentionally) miss the point. The issue is taxes.

I addressed that issue two posts ago: "they merely have to refrain from taxing it out the wazoo."

And answer the question: Would a doper spend $15 for a $5 joint?

No. If a frog had wings, would it drag its posterior on the ground?

Back to the issue in real life: 3 out of 5 cigarettes in NYC are sold through the Black Market which funds terrorism.

Why? Cigarettes are legal, right?

Because in NYC they're taxed out the wazoo. But nowhere else in the USA is this the case, and nowhere in the USA is it the case for the legal drug alcohol - so there's no reason to assume it would be true of legal marijuana.

And if SOME of the marijuana market was overtaxed and thus funded terrorism, that's still an improvement over the status quo in which ALL of the marijuana market funds terrorism

23 posted on 04/16/2013 11:36:42 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Back to marijuana. Legal or illegal; its quite clear the Cartels are going to profit here. If a state is stupid enough to legalize it they will have to subsidize it. If they are stupid enough to tax it - you can be sure the Cartels will funnel more and more drugs to idiot tokers at a lower cost.


Nonsense. If it's legal, it'll be grown here (like it already is.)

I live in northeast Florida. Potato fields as far as the eye can see. I'm pretty sure some of the old crackers here would be more than willing to trade out some of their land if there's good money to be made.

No need to involve them outside people.
24 posted on 04/16/2013 11:40:00 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Sorry but in Washington’s case that just isn’t true. Besides 92% taxation the state is going to control the THC content to somewhere around 7%. Street pot now routinely tests much, much higher.

With the medical pot being seperate and given our state being close to the famous BC Bud and Washington’s big clandestine pot growers, the state will not see their pipe dream come true.


25 posted on 04/16/2013 11:57:46 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: bigfootbob
with taxes that high, legal pot will never be profitable.

Nonsense - pot is produce, and even at a 92% tax rate only the most exotic legal produce costs as much as illegal pot, for which many are willing to pay.

Sorry but in Washington’s case that just isn’t true.

In Washington many kinds of legal produce are almost as expensive as illegal pot? Evidence?

Besides 92% taxation the state is going to control the THC content to somewhere around 7%. Street pot now routinely tests much, much higher.

As of 2009, the University of Mississippi's Marijuana Potency Monitoring Project found an average of 13% - higher but not "much, much higher." And you can get just as high on 7% as on 13% or 30% just as you can get as drunk on beer as on liquor - it just takes more consumption to get there.

26 posted on 04/16/2013 12:07:16 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

You know what they say about arguing with idiots...

“produce”? You have no idea about what you speak, nor do you have any clue about reality as your responses show.

I am a 10 year medical patient who has doctors routinely offer me advice on pot as an alternative medicine and have tried it on occasions when standard medicine failed. Whether I chose to be or not, I am at ground zero for this legalization movement. I can assure you, as the law is written in Washington, it will fail just the the Federal program has failed the 12 or 13 patients left in the program. Everyone of them throw their government pot away and either grow their own or buy it from the grey market. So will the people here as soon as they experience the bad legal product and sky high taxes on crap. Nobody will pay it when other better, cheaper outlets are available, quit being stupid.


27 posted on 04/17/2013 7:50:02 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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