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Mo. official resigns amid concealed guns flap after state data shared with feds
Deseret News ^ | April 15 201 | David A. Lieb

Posted on 04/16/2013 11:58:21 AM PDT by neverdem

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — A top official in Gov. Jay Nixon's administration abruptly resigned Monday, becoming the first person to step aside amid a controversy over the way Missouri gathers information about people with concealed gun permits...

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Long and other members of Nixon's administration have said those scanned documents are being kept on a state computer server and not shared with the federal government or other entities. But during a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing last week, the head of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said his agency had twice obtained a separate electronic list of concealed gun permit holders that was based on driver's license information and shared that list with a fraud investigator in the Social Security Administration.

An email a federal agent sent Nov. 17, 2011, to the Highway Patrol said "the purpose for this list is to cross match it to the Social Security Administration database for people who are currently collecting disability for a mental illness." People who have been judged mentally incompetent aren't supposed to be able to get Missouri concealed gun permits...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: banglist; govtabuse; guncontrol; gundata; gundatabase; secondamendment
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1 posted on 04/16/2013 11:58:21 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The bastard will no-doubt retain his pension and bennies he “worked” for.


2 posted on 04/16/2013 12:01:54 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: neverdem

Yeah. Not shared. I’m sure. The state lambs are going to keep out the federal foxes. Sure they will. Bless their hearts. As if a class of gangsters that conspired to launch Fast and Furious (400+ dead) is going to worry about the formalities of permission to view “essential” data bases. Essential for DHS/HSI, that is.


3 posted on 04/16/2013 12:02:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: neverdem

Here’s the dirty truth of our fine Government. They say “we” aren’t doing this or doing that. What they won’t or don’t tell you is that they have contracted whatever they are denying out to a non-government entity.

This is what the DHS, TSA, FBI, ATF, et al are doing - they’ll fight to the death to keep you from finding this out, but that is what is happening. The contracts are let with a minimum of explanation but always involve ‘information’ ‘data basiing’ and the like.

Criminals that equivocate like Bill Clinton’s “the meaning of IS.”


4 posted on 04/16/2013 12:03:22 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Slump Tester

Five bucks says he gets a sweet job with the Fed govt.


5 posted on 04/16/2013 12:06:15 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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6 posted on 04/16/2013 12:09:17 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: neverdem

If he had respected and protected the rights of the citizens of Missouri he would still have his job.


7 posted on 04/16/2013 12:18:51 PM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: neverdem

Yeah, sure. In the future the feds will theaten to withhold or significantly delay some federal program funding unless said information is released to them.

If not an outright threat then the feds will make the state’s ability to get a federal program’s ongoing approval, funding, and quality targets significanly delayed or denied(think Medicaid funding, DOT road funds, etc.). Even delayed funding would potentially wreak havoc on a state’s budget.


8 posted on 04/16/2013 12:19:10 PM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: Free Vulcan
Five bucks says he gets a sweet job with the Fed govt.

I wouldn't even bet a nickel of President You Didn't Build That's personal wealth against that proposition, Free Vulcan.

The job the vermin actually deserves is washing dishes in a prison kitchen. If he does really well, we could think about promoting him to scrap clean up in the license plate division after, say, ten years.

9 posted on 04/16/2013 12:19:24 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Just another Joe; darrellmaurina; greeneyes; DoctorBulldog; UCANSEE2; ez; ronnyquest; ...
This fish rots from the head down. This initiative by the feds mimics how commies in the Soviet Union abused psychiatry to deny civil rights. There's more bad news:

Abnormal Is the New Normal: Why will half of the U.S. population have a diagnosable mental disorder?

FReepmail me if you want off my list.

10 posted on 04/16/2013 12:32:33 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


11 posted on 04/16/2013 12:36:22 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: neverdem
FReepmail me if you want off my list.

What's your list about?

12 posted on 04/16/2013 12:37:23 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: neverdem

Reid: We’re making good progress on that anti-gun legislation
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/04/16/reid-were-making-good-progress-on-that-anti-gun-legislation/


13 posted on 04/16/2013 12:45:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


14 posted on 04/16/2013 12:46:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem; Second Amendment First; 1stMarylandRegiment; 47carollann; A Citizen Reporter; ...
Missouri ping

Low volume ping list

FReepmail me to be on, or off, this list.

Hang 'em high as the nearest branch that goes 15 feet above ground level.

15 posted on 04/16/2013 12:48:53 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: neverdem
Department of Revenue Director Brian Long had been on the job for just four months.

He got the job.
He had clerks "make electronic copies of people's personal documents, such as birth certificates and concealed gun permits".
He sent those copies to the Federal Government via the IRS.
He suddenly resigns because the job "as Director has taken a toll on me and my family."

Traitorous commie bastard or drooling halfwit imbecile?

Both of course, is an acceptable answer.

16 posted on 04/16/2013 12:58:06 PM PDT by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: neverdem

I listen to an internet radio station out of... Joplin, I think.

This has been a real deal over there as it should be. They handed over the entire list - twice.

I would not be at all surprised to find that 25+ states have also done this without telling anyone.


17 posted on 04/16/2013 1:00:15 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: neverdem
Sooo, I've been told I was a tinfoil-hat-wearing-nut-job because I refused to get down on my knees and beg the State to allow me a permit to carry a weapon because I felt it was just another stealth attempt at gun registration. (leading to gun confiscation)

My response: "Any Questions?"

18 posted on 04/16/2013 1:05:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: neverdem

Prison time is certainly appropriate, at a minimum. If this was for those with mental illness, that would clearly prohibit every member of the GLBTP alliance from ever owning a CCW.


19 posted on 04/16/2013 1:10:44 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: neverdem

A neurotic State produces a neurotic populace!


20 posted on 04/16/2013 1:17:25 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
What's your list about?

Stories every body should now about such as this one with the feds matching registered weapons with recipients of mental disability payments, or A sensitive matter (The Economist is stepping back from anthropogenic global warming!)

Stories that if you have an email list, then you should be using it.

21 posted on 04/16/2013 1:23:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

I want to know why the head of the state patrol who gave the info to the feds isn’t being investigated, fired or both.


22 posted on 04/16/2013 1:39:43 PM PDT by falcon99
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To: neverdem

>>This fish rots from the head down. This initiative by the feds mimics how commies in the Soviet Union abused psychiatry to deny civil rights.<<

Even a dead fish can swim downstream. Obama has proven that because we sure haven’t been swimming upstream since he took up residency at 1600.


23 posted on 04/16/2013 1:57:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( There's Two Choices. Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered.)
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To: neverdem

Resigning is not good enough. Prison time is and would serve as an example to others who think they can get off Scott free after providing private information to the Govt.


24 posted on 04/16/2013 2:03:01 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Free Vulcan

He should be about to serve time in Prison


25 posted on 04/16/2013 2:05:31 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: neverdem

Anyone else who violated state law would be in jail...when’s he behind bars?


26 posted on 04/16/2013 2:06:31 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: neverdem

Well I suppose it’s a start. I’d like to see this take that dbag jay nixon all the way down.


27 posted on 04/16/2013 2:07:00 PM PDT by Augie
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To: neverdem
Not good enough... try him and prosecute him to the maximum extent allowed under law.

LLS

28 posted on 04/16/2013 2:21:01 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: neverdem; Sola Veritas
"the head of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said his agency had twice obtained a separate electronic list of concealed gun permit holders that was based on driver's license information and shared that list with a fraud investigator in the Social Security Administration."

The thin thread of Liberty has already unraveled and...
starving the beast is the only way back to liberty.

I'm having lively debates with people like: Sola Veritas about the benevolence of government.

Any government, how poor it may be, is better than no government.

The meme states that according to scriptures, government was foisted onto man by God. Too bad the statists missed the many biblical references that shows it's the other way around - men beseeched God to be placed under the yoke of man's powers.

This ideology seems to be rampant within the so called Christian community (many debates just from my In Forum Posts). It's clearly central to the doctrine of leftist-statists.

This war by statists over the Natural Laws of liberty that God granted to all men will end soon. It is ready to collapse under its own weight of excess and corruption. The proud shall be humbled. Not my words....

29 posted on 04/16/2013 2:54:27 PM PDT by uncommonsense (more laws = more government = more coercive power = more crimes of consequence)
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To: neverdem

The Big Lie:

“The Social Security Administration said Monday that its investigators were unable to read either the original encrypted disk or a subsequent electronic spreadsheet provided this January. In both cases, it said the disks were destroyed.”

Yep, the disc was destroyed, but the data is on their server.


30 posted on 04/16/2013 3:10:09 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Slump Tester

I attended a press conference yesterday in Springfield, MO, which was scheduled by the MO Speaker of the House and our sheriff. A number of state and federal agencies are involved in this along with at least one non-government organization. A company called Morpho Trust was designated to receive some of the information that was scanned from documents presented by individuals applying for drivers licenses (birth certificates, etc..). I don’t know the relationship between Morpho Trust and the Obama administration but I’m guessing it’s not in our best interests. The MO legislature apparently intends to turn the CCW process over to the county sheriffs and get DMV/DOR out of the loop entirely.


31 posted on 04/16/2013 3:24:48 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Slump Tester; neverdem

Sorry, #31 was meant for neverdem.


32 posted on 04/16/2013 3:26:55 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Texas Fossil
and backed up every night since then too...
33 posted on 04/16/2013 3:30:31 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Yes, of course.


34 posted on 04/16/2013 3:36:31 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: neverdem

I’ll take ‘er for a test drive.


35 posted on 04/16/2013 3:44:06 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Ben Hecks
"The MO legislature apparently intends to turn the CCW process over to the county sheriffs and get DMV/DOR out of the loop entirely."

That seems like a good thing - turn over to an elected official versus a state or federal bureaucrat...?

36 posted on 04/16/2013 3:54:31 PM PDT by uncommonsense (more laws = more government = more coercive power = more crimes of consequence)
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To: B4Ranch
"Even a dead fish can swim downstream."

Well said! I hope everyone understands the long term ramifications.

I've been noticing an inordinate number of "government is for our own good" lurkers on FR over the last year or so...

37 posted on 04/16/2013 4:02:55 PM PDT by uncommonsense (more laws = more government = more coercive power = more crimes of consequence)
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To: uncommonsense

We must remember that the Old Testament nation of Israel under the new Covenant is analagous to the invisible Church, i.e., the elect, for the purposes of interpreting what is Biblically mandated concerning generalized or institutional patterns.

The case you speak of, when the ancient Israelites asked God for an earthly King so they could be like other nations, would be analagous to a Church of today assuming the role of a civil government, something clearly not what God’s Word would have us do, even though it clearly calls on nations to bow the knee to Christ, i.e., to be covenant Christian nations.

The Bible clearly recognizes the role of civil government, but there is a clear delineation between the complimentary roles of civil government and Church.

There certainly is no guarantee in the Bible that those persons heading a particular civil government will necessarily effect a “good” governance of the people by Biblical standards; indeed there are examples in the Bible of both good and bad civil government leaders. In fact, in the absence of national covenanting, anything resembling “good” government would most certainly be atypical and relatively temporary, given the fallen nature of man.

Scripture does, of course, clearly exhort all government leaders, like everyone else, to execute their duties and live their lives according to Scripture.

The roles of the Church, civil government and the family are all Biblically sanctioned, different and yet complimentary.

Since the rise of the most recent “power behind the throne” a few hundred years ago (”new world order”, i.e., international banking), we’ve seen much of what was “good” about American governance gradually eroding. This is primarily a result of government being largely controlled behind the scenes by a relatively small group of people which constitute extremely powerful interests.

Only a short 200 years ago, most Americans thought their government was an improvement over that of the British Empire; yet unbeknownst to most, the seeds were already sown for what we see today. European international banking played with the American economy and government like a toy and greatly magnified their wealth as they financed the agricultural south (with their slave trade inevitably set to cause either war or a split into two more manageable nations), the industrial north and railroads connecting everything. They steadily worked (and their business heirs continue to work) towards their goal of keeping “the masses” underfoot through using lies, temptation of sin and debt, which keep “the masses” enslaved.


38 posted on 04/16/2013 4:07:41 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Ben Hecks

Morpho Trust sounds about as good as Mephisto Trust. It’s become Orwellian.


39 posted on 04/16/2013 4:21:38 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Well said....


40 posted on 04/16/2013 4:22:18 PM PDT by uncommonsense (more laws = more government = more coercive power = more crimes of consequence)
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To: uncommonsense

IMHO...

The real “hoot” in this...

a) Long, the MO state tax guy, said they were working to find fraud in disability.

b) the “Federal agent” sent an email on Nov 17, 2011 - they have a quote from the email saying they want to cross match. This is followed by an unquoted statement (so who said it) - “People who have been judged mentally incompetent aren’t supposed to be able to get Missouri concealed gun permits.” (quotes added here are mine)

So the Federal guy appears to be saying the Feds want to cut off the disability payments to anyone who is on both lists.

The Feds appear to have said nothing about sending this gun owner list to other Federal agencies; the old “nobody knows anything” routine.

So why did the State guy, Long, not simply tell the Feds, send me YOUR list, of everyone on disability in MO, let my office do the compare, and then my office will examine any matches and review the cases on a case by case basis, and we’ll get back to you IF we find any that appear to be fraud ? I may be an idiot educated in public schools, but at least I knows that in that case Mr. Long would have been protecting his fellow MO citizens’ a little better from the Feral government. And not as much infringing on their God-given right of self defense. Not to mention that a State official should simply tell any Federal official to take a flying leap if what they ask for is not both Constitutional and required by law duly passed by Congress.
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It would be very “productive” - from the perspective of “real” Americans - if we had a widespread “wakeup” (and consequent vice-like pressure on Congress) of Americans to the fact that new world order gun-grabbing is beginning in earnest, via the Federal government, news and entertainment media, education, many in “big” business, State and local government.

At the grassroots level, people need to understand that the trap is closing, for real, and that they need to get rid of “the trapper” to really fix things. Cuz he keeps setting one trap after another, all over the place.


41 posted on 04/16/2013 4:28:35 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: neverdem
This fish rots from the head down. This initiative by the feds mimics how commies in the Soviet Union abused psychiatry to deny civil rights. There's more bad news:

I know or once knew a couple of guys who were vets and saw combat. One was involved in Central America ops and he had to make a very tough choice once his guys were spotted. The other saw action in Desert Storm and had some hard luck afterward. Both had PTSD. I knew them because I had PTSD from my after military service life. I would target practice, hunt, or trust them with my life. Both liked to shoot and hunt.

government databases being kept on law abiding citizens behavior or life is way out of hand. Very, very, few PTSD patients will ever harm another person except in self defense. They might do harm to themselves but good grief if a person sat down thinking of ways too off themselves they could fill an entire page.

Most mental disorders do not make the person a threat to anyone. Many mental disorders are a byproduct of a physical ailment often undetected.

Only a doctor, a LEO actually witnessing someones serious mental incapacity and prove it in court, or a persons family, should be able to take measures to deny a person firearm ownership on mental health issues. In mental health issues family gets left out of the process. A school shooter in my area had serious long established mental issues. He was hired as a teacher. His family knew he had issues. His family tried to warn both a judge and a school system the man had serious issues. Government has tied the hands of the ones who should have some say and turned the process over to bureaucratic morons with computers.

42 posted on 04/16/2013 6:04:15 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: uncommonsense

>>I’ve been noticing an inordinate number of “government is for our own good” lurkers on FR over the last year or so...<<

They are the ones who won’t mind surrendering a few of their freedoms for some security. I’m sure they’ll be comfortable with turning in their patriotic neighbors to the brown shirts.

I know that’s Unthinkable now. Wait a few years. It’ll be as common as collecting the mail.


43 posted on 04/16/2013 6:04:55 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( There's Two Choices. Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered.)
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To: neverdem

Dana Loesch has helped expose this.


44 posted on 04/16/2013 6:08:15 PM PDT by isom35
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To: neverdem; SkyPilot
Hat tip to SkyPilot:

Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union


45 posted on 04/16/2013 7:57:54 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: isom35

Dana Loesch reported today that the ATF was in on the request for the concealed carry list!!!!

The ATF AND the Social Security Administration agent requested the list. It was given to them THREE TIMES. Twice just this year, January and February. Once they got the list, they allegedly decided against the project and claim they destroyed the discs.

MO employees testified that the data was encrypted and couldn’t be read. Then the SSA spokesperson said it could be read. Then the SSA spokesperson said another day that it could not be read. NOW they again claim that it could be read, was put into a spreadsheet on a disc, and sent through the mail with a letter containing the password for the spreadsheet. But they still claim they destroyed the discs. Not to worry! Nothing to see here, folks.

As someone else commented. They destroyed the discs after downloading them to their computers. They also, however, testified that they didn’t disseminate the information to anyone else. Of course, they also failed to mention the ATF’s involvement. That was discovered by one of the Senators, who subpoenaed all emails and other correspondence between the state agencies and the feds.


46 posted on 04/16/2013 8:08:23 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: YHAOS

A neurotic State produces a neurotic populace!


So true.


47 posted on 04/16/2013 8:13:30 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: FreedomPoster

Thanks for the link.


48 posted on 04/16/2013 8:13:59 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

“Abnormal Is the New Normal: Why will half of the U.S. population have a diagnosable mental disorder?”

I had a call from my healthcare provider today...questions...’Are you ever depressed in the evenings (re this or that)’...my answer...NEVER!

They can all go to HELL...I am NEVER depressed...the only thing in my life is the DEPRESSION of those that have their finger on the nuclear button...He is depressed, I am not...

F’him...


49 posted on 04/16/2013 9:06:39 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

LOL!


50 posted on 04/16/2013 10:47:33 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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