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Mo. official resigns amid concealed guns flap after state data shared with feds
Deseret News ^ | April 15 201 | David A. Lieb

Posted on 04/16/2013 11:58:21 AM PDT by neverdem

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — A top official in Gov. Jay Nixon's administration abruptly resigned Monday, becoming the first person to step aside amid a controversy over the way Missouri gathers information about people with concealed gun permits...

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Long and other members of Nixon's administration have said those scanned documents are being kept on a state computer server and not shared with the federal government or other entities. But during a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing last week, the head of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said his agency had twice obtained a separate electronic list of concealed gun permit holders that was based on driver's license information and shared that list with a fraud investigator in the Social Security Administration.

An email a federal agent sent Nov. 17, 2011, to the Highway Patrol said "the purpose for this list is to cross match it to the Social Security Administration database for people who are currently collecting disability for a mental illness." People who have been judged mentally incompetent aren't supposed to be able to get Missouri concealed gun permits...

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: banglist; govtabuse; guncontrol; gundata; gundatabase; secondamendment
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
What's your list about?

Stories every body should now about such as this one with the feds matching registered weapons with recipients of mental disability payments, or A sensitive matter (The Economist is stepping back from anthropogenic global warming!)

Stories that if you have an email list, then you should be using it.

21 posted on 04/16/2013 1:23:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

I want to know why the head of the state patrol who gave the info to the feds isn’t being investigated, fired or both.


22 posted on 04/16/2013 1:39:43 PM PDT by falcon99
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To: neverdem

>>This fish rots from the head down. This initiative by the feds mimics how commies in the Soviet Union abused psychiatry to deny civil rights.<<

Even a dead fish can swim downstream. Obama has proven that because we sure haven’t been swimming upstream since he took up residency at 1600.


23 posted on 04/16/2013 1:57:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( There's Two Choices. Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered.)
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To: neverdem

Resigning is not good enough. Prison time is and would serve as an example to others who think they can get off Scott free after providing private information to the Govt.


24 posted on 04/16/2013 2:03:01 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Free Vulcan

He should be about to serve time in Prison


25 posted on 04/16/2013 2:05:31 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: neverdem

Anyone else who violated state law would be in jail...when’s he behind bars?


26 posted on 04/16/2013 2:06:31 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: neverdem

Well I suppose it’s a start. I’d like to see this take that dbag jay nixon all the way down.


27 posted on 04/16/2013 2:07:00 PM PDT by Augie
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To: neverdem
Not good enough... try him and prosecute him to the maximum extent allowed under law.

LLS

28 posted on 04/16/2013 2:21:01 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: neverdem; Sola Veritas
"the head of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said his agency had twice obtained a separate electronic list of concealed gun permit holders that was based on driver's license information and shared that list with a fraud investigator in the Social Security Administration."

The thin thread of Liberty has already unraveled and...
starving the beast is the only way back to liberty.

I'm having lively debates with people like: Sola Veritas about the benevolence of government.

Any government, how poor it may be, is better than no government.

The meme states that according to scriptures, government was foisted onto man by God. Too bad the statists missed the many biblical references that shows it's the other way around - men beseeched God to be placed under the yoke of man's powers.

This ideology seems to be rampant within the so called Christian community (many debates just from my In Forum Posts). It's clearly central to the doctrine of leftist-statists.

This war by statists over the Natural Laws of liberty that God granted to all men will end soon. It is ready to collapse under its own weight of excess and corruption. The proud shall be humbled. Not my words....

29 posted on 04/16/2013 2:54:27 PM PDT by uncommonsense (more laws = more government = more coercive power = more crimes of consequence)
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To: neverdem

The Big Lie:

“The Social Security Administration said Monday that its investigators were unable to read either the original encrypted disk or a subsequent electronic spreadsheet provided this January. In both cases, it said the disks were destroyed.”

Yep, the disc was destroyed, but the data is on their server.


30 posted on 04/16/2013 3:10:09 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Slump Tester

I attended a press conference yesterday in Springfield, MO, which was scheduled by the MO Speaker of the House and our sheriff. A number of state and federal agencies are involved in this along with at least one non-government organization. A company called Morpho Trust was designated to receive some of the information that was scanned from documents presented by individuals applying for drivers licenses (birth certificates, etc..). I don’t know the relationship between Morpho Trust and the Obama administration but I’m guessing it’s not in our best interests. The MO legislature apparently intends to turn the CCW process over to the county sheriffs and get DMV/DOR out of the loop entirely.


31 posted on 04/16/2013 3:24:48 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Slump Tester; neverdem

Sorry, #31 was meant for neverdem.


32 posted on 04/16/2013 3:26:55 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Texas Fossil
and backed up every night since then too...
33 posted on 04/16/2013 3:30:31 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Yes, of course.


34 posted on 04/16/2013 3:36:31 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: neverdem

I’ll take ‘er for a test drive.


35 posted on 04/16/2013 3:44:06 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Ben Hecks
"The MO legislature apparently intends to turn the CCW process over to the county sheriffs and get DMV/DOR out of the loop entirely."

That seems like a good thing - turn over to an elected official versus a state or federal bureaucrat...?

36 posted on 04/16/2013 3:54:31 PM PDT by uncommonsense (more laws = more government = more coercive power = more crimes of consequence)
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To: B4Ranch
"Even a dead fish can swim downstream."

Well said! I hope everyone understands the long term ramifications.

I've been noticing an inordinate number of "government is for our own good" lurkers on FR over the last year or so...

37 posted on 04/16/2013 4:02:55 PM PDT by uncommonsense (more laws = more government = more coercive power = more crimes of consequence)
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To: uncommonsense

We must remember that the Old Testament nation of Israel under the new Covenant is analagous to the invisible Church, i.e., the elect, for the purposes of interpreting what is Biblically mandated concerning generalized or institutional patterns.

The case you speak of, when the ancient Israelites asked God for an earthly King so they could be like other nations, would be analagous to a Church of today assuming the role of a civil government, something clearly not what God’s Word would have us do, even though it clearly calls on nations to bow the knee to Christ, i.e., to be covenant Christian nations.

The Bible clearly recognizes the role of civil government, but there is a clear delineation between the complimentary roles of civil government and Church.

There certainly is no guarantee in the Bible that those persons heading a particular civil government will necessarily effect a “good” governance of the people by Biblical standards; indeed there are examples in the Bible of both good and bad civil government leaders. In fact, in the absence of national covenanting, anything resembling “good” government would most certainly be atypical and relatively temporary, given the fallen nature of man.

Scripture does, of course, clearly exhort all government leaders, like everyone else, to execute their duties and live their lives according to Scripture.

The roles of the Church, civil government and the family are all Biblically sanctioned, different and yet complimentary.

Since the rise of the most recent “power behind the throne” a few hundred years ago (”new world order”, i.e., international banking), we’ve seen much of what was “good” about American governance gradually eroding. This is primarily a result of government being largely controlled behind the scenes by a relatively small group of people which constitute extremely powerful interests.

Only a short 200 years ago, most Americans thought their government was an improvement over that of the British Empire; yet unbeknownst to most, the seeds were already sown for what we see today. European international banking played with the American economy and government like a toy and greatly magnified their wealth as they financed the agricultural south (with their slave trade inevitably set to cause either war or a split into two more manageable nations), the industrial north and railroads connecting everything. They steadily worked (and their business heirs continue to work) towards their goal of keeping “the masses” underfoot through using lies, temptation of sin and debt, which keep “the masses” enslaved.


38 posted on 04/16/2013 4:07:41 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Ben Hecks

Morpho Trust sounds about as good as Mephisto Trust. It’s become Orwellian.


39 posted on 04/16/2013 4:21:38 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Well said....


40 posted on 04/16/2013 4:22:18 PM PDT by uncommonsense (more laws = more government = more coercive power = more crimes of consequence)
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