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Boston IED bomb devices with ball bearings are used by terrorists in Afghanistan
The Daily Mail - UK ^ | 4-16-13 | Daniel Bates

Posted on 04/16/2013 2:33:27 PM PDT by tellw

The two bombs that killed three people and injured at least 176 at the Boston Marathon on Monday were made from six-liter pressure cookers crammed with shards of metal, nails and ball bearings and stashed in black backpacks, police sources revealed today.

The cruelly-designed bombs have 'frequently' been used in Afghanistan, India, Nepal and Pakistan, according to a 2010 Homeland Security Department pamphlet - hinting at the origins of the bombers behind the worst terrorist atrocity in the U.S. since 9/11.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bomb; boston; bostonmarathon; bostonmarathonattack; ied; marathon; pressurecookerbomb; terroristattack
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1 posted on 04/16/2013 2:33:27 PM PDT by tellw
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To: tellw

Hmmmm......


2 posted on 04/16/2013 2:35:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: tellw

Pakistani Tea Partiers!!! I knew it.


3 posted on 04/16/2013 2:35:45 PM PDT by ez (Laws are for little people. Criminals, politicians, police, and David Gregory are exempt.)
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To: ez

Must have been Right-Wing Afghanistan, India, Nepal and Pakistan people then.

/sarc


4 posted on 04/16/2013 2:36:56 PM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: tellw

Chris Matthews, Peter Bergen, Michael Moore go to hell.


5 posted on 04/16/2013 2:37:02 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: tellw

Don’t jump to any conclusions. Just because it walks like a duck, has a bill and quacks like a duck, doesn’t mean it is a duck.

Pray for America to Wake Up


6 posted on 04/16/2013 2:38:06 PM PDT by bray (Surviving to spite Obama)
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To: tellw

This is breakthru data because most other groups stuff their bombs with nerf balls and noodles.


7 posted on 04/16/2013 2:39:43 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: tellw

Over the dead bodies of 5000 Americans,
the undocumented BenGhazi Hussein Obama
made “peace” with his people.

As a result, there are only the pieces
of these 140 Americans left.
The MSM will now do their role: PR Reps for Corruption.


8 posted on 04/16/2013 2:40:09 PM PDT by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: nascarnation

bttt


9 posted on 04/16/2013 2:40:48 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: tellw

Whoever did this may have been trained in Afghanistan, but is not necessarily Afghan.

Plus, there is lots of information out there on how to make IEDs.

I wonder if these were typical WalMart cookers or if they were imported?


10 posted on 04/16/2013 2:41:24 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: tellw

American MSM is going to hold off on reporting this because they can’t figure out how to keep up the “TEA Party is behind this” narrative at the same time that they’re reporting that this type of bomb is used in Afghanistan.


11 posted on 04/16/2013 2:42:25 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: tellw

Looks like the work of an motivated, diligent but unskilled amateur based on al Qaeda cookbooks. A pro can simply drive up to any skyscraper in a McVeigh-style U-Haul with fuel-oil explosives, park, detonate the bomb with a cell phone call and kill hundreds, if not thousands, depending on the amount of destruction wreaked on the building.


12 posted on 04/16/2013 2:44:07 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tellw

I don’t get how you can profile based on the use of ball bearings.

It’s the same premise as Claymore mines. If you want to cause large amounts of maiming besides the blast, you add things that will turn into shrapnel.

All it proves is somebody is really sick and wanted to kill and incapacitate as many people as possible.


13 posted on 04/16/2013 2:45:58 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: tellw

Yeah, maybe.

We can’t put too much into the use of shrapnel. Form follows function, so any man-portable bomb intended to cause mass casualties is going to have shrapnel.

The pressure cooker angle is more interesting. That is getting into the tradecraft, and it isn’t something that I think the average basement mad bomber would reach for first as a vessel. Selection of firing train components, initiating mechanism, etc., all tend to form a sort of ‘signature’ of a bomber. Once they find a formula that works for them, they tend to stick with it, making incremental, evolutionary changes to the design.

OTOH this knowledge is passed on, nowadays through web pages and forums that almost anybody may have access to and so elements of the design could be copied by people far removed geographically and ideologically from the original bomb builder. I have no doubt that Timothy McVeigh’s design was inspired by, copied from or directly taught to him by middle eastern devices. The tamping to direct the blast, etc. was an indicator for me.

Let us not forget the trips that his alleged co-conspirator Terry Nichols took to the Philippines. It may not have been (just) for sexual tourism. He may have made contact with JI types who taught him the ropes. I don’t know that angle was ever explored in the investigation because it ran counter to the Clinton administration’s meme that Rush Limbaugh was responsible.


14 posted on 04/16/2013 2:46:38 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: ez
...similar devices were used in the failed 2010 attempt to bomb Times Square by Faisal Shahzad, who admitted he had undergone bomb-making training at a militant Islamist faction camp in Pakistan.

I wonder what "President" Hussein learned, when he was in Pakistan as a young man.

15 posted on 04/16/2013 2:47:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: DBrow
I wonder if these were typical WalMart cookers or if they were imported?

If you were Achmed Fookin Mohamtard, would you fly to the U.S. luggin two pressure cookers from Achmed's (not the same Achmed) Kitchen Wares, or you just pick up a couple at WalMart?

16 posted on 04/16/2013 2:48:58 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Sirius Lee

http://www.walmart.com/ip/14321124?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227009560494&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=&wl3=18129614110&wl4=&wl5=pla&veh=sem


17 posted on 04/16/2013 2:50:26 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: skeeter
Chris Matthews, Peter Bergen, Michael Moore go to hell.

How would that jerk Chris Matthews feel if every time a mass killing took place, the MSM mussed it must be a 'Catholic organization' behind it...

Or how would CNN feel if other "news' outlets speculated the monsters might be 'the gays' again? Every time - and every time wrong...

Conservatives in this country are afraid one of these times the killers will get away - and the MSM will be ready and willing to hurt us.

18 posted on 04/16/2013 2:50:50 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: tellw

How does one get a pressure-cooker to explode? What was the explosive?

I assume the terrorist didn’t have a long electrical cord for it, with a pot-roast cooking on the sidewalk....


19 posted on 04/16/2013 2:52:12 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: DBrow
But Usama is dead...There are no more terrorists.

Ever notice that Usama's followers were silent when he was killed. Cuz....he was retired and useless!!! That fort was their idea of Senior Housing.

20 posted on 04/16/2013 2:52:23 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: BenLurkin

This is Obama’s doing, he squandered resources trying to attack his own political enemies instead of keeping his eye on the ball.

Indeed the last 2 near misses should have waken him up to this threat. Instead DHS still focuses its efforts on watching TEA paryers instead of the proven Islamic terrorist threat.


21 posted on 04/16/2013 2:54:04 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: tellw

NPR is going all black knight ala monty python to blame a domestic group at the exclusion of terrorists.

the medium is the message.

if npr says it then it must be “it”.


22 posted on 04/16/2013 2:54:44 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: tellw

In related news...

UM Coach: Bomb Sniffing Dogs, Spotters on Roofs Before Explosions
http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx


23 posted on 04/16/2013 2:56:06 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: PGR88

Gunpowder (black powder) or smokeless powder. Electrically fired, so there’s a battery and a short circuit/hot wire in there somewhere.


24 posted on 04/16/2013 2:57:06 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: SargeK

OBTW - Hello to the boys and gals at NSA. (Enough key words in that last post that there is probably a satellite over my office about now.)


25 posted on 04/16/2013 2:58:27 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: tellw

And readily available to any individual who reads the instructions and has a Home Depot near by.........


26 posted on 04/16/2013 3:01:17 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: GOPJ

You’re right - a successful terrorist attack where the bomber gets away will do as well for our news media as if the perp were a little old white male tea partier in an american flag sweatshirt sporting a GOP campaign button.


27 posted on 04/16/2013 3:01:54 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Steely Tom

Well, tea partiers can tomatoes.


28 posted on 04/16/2013 3:03:17 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: tellw

So if millions of folks headed down to their local Wally World and picked up their cheapest pressure cooker for less than $30, as well as a few ball bearings, the lib heads would explode.

P_resident Pressure Cooker would wet his pants.

I wonder if we could force Janet Napolitano into a nation wide buying frenzy trying to get control of all the pressure cookers.

Our country is lead by idiots, corrupt idiots.


29 posted on 04/16/2013 3:05:57 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: Gator113

Who really needs one of these high capacity pressure cookers anyway? /s


30 posted on 04/16/2013 3:10:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GOPJ

“..How would that jerk Chris Matthews feel if every time a mass killing took place, the MSM mussed it must be a ‘Catholic organization’ behind it... ..”

He’s Catholic in name only. He’s a liberal apparatchnik first, a Democrat second, and everything else a far distant third.


31 posted on 04/16/2013 3:11:05 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Gator113

Pressure cooker hording to offset the lack of ammo on the shelves.


32 posted on 04/16/2013 3:15:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: NFHale

I suspect you’re 100% right NFHale...


33 posted on 04/16/2013 3:19:16 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: BenLurkin
I wonder what "President" Hussein learned, when he was in Pakistan as a young man

How about which co-religionist friends he came to know and whether he has in the last four and a half years seen to their currency needs--indirectly, of course.

HF

34 posted on 04/16/2013 3:19:36 PM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: cripplecreek

Gonna paint mine black and bolt a knife to it.


35 posted on 04/16/2013 3:22:14 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: tellw

A pressure cooker bomb is just an odd-shaped pipe bomb. Any pipe bomb works by containing the blast from a low explosive (e.g. gunpowder) long enough to build up to the equivalent lethality of a high explosive (e.g. TNT).


36 posted on 04/16/2013 3:26:01 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Shadow44

>I don’t get how you can profile based on the use of ball bearings.<

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I agree, ball bearings come from rotating equipment and that is a rarity in Afghanistan. You just don’t use ball bearings unless they’re plentifull. Now, buckshot would be a different matter.

In WWII we sent B-17s just to demolish Hitler’s ballbearing manufacturing plants, that’s how important they are.

Even in the US, ballbearings are not easy to come by unless you visit a dump and go looking for them.


37 posted on 04/16/2013 3:49:47 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: tellw

Once again the UK and Canadian press has better reporting than the US “media.”


38 posted on 04/16/2013 4:10:49 PM PDT by matt04
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To: PGR88
A pressure cooker has a large volume, (6 liters is 1.5 gallons), is cheap and readily available, and seals tightly.

From the amount and color of the smoke, and the orange flash, I'd wager strongly that the explosive was old-fashioned black powder, the nitrate, sulfur, charcoal mixture you can buy in up to 50 lb kegs from any good reloading store.

You don't need a blasting cap to detonate the stuff, a spark will do, and it has a faster burn rate than normal smokeless pistol and rifle powders. It deteriorates fairly quickly, (Short self life), and it's highly hygroscopic.

I'm guessing a simple electrical timer wired to nichrome wire as an initiator.

39 posted on 04/16/2013 4:22:20 PM PDT by jonascord (Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a Single Star!)
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To: tellw

Shrapnel bombs had their start long before Afghanistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Village_townhouse_explosion

The Chicago ‘just a guy in the neighborhood’ liked them.


40 posted on 04/16/2013 4:24:27 PM PDT by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: 353FMG

I’ve seen steel balls sold as slingshot ammo.Available at Walmart and other places.


41 posted on 04/16/2013 4:26:06 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: PGR88

It more than likely had a cell phone or timer on it.

I tried a little research on the subject and found that the Pressure is used to confine the explosion until pressure builds up , making the eplosion much more powerful.

It has little to do with the pressure cooker itself exploding and more to do with the mechanics of building up pressure.


42 posted on 04/16/2013 5:26:51 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Sirius Lee

If I was so whaked that I’d even consider bombing people, who knows where I might buy pressure cookers?

I have a neighbor who sends to India for some cookware because it’s like the stuff Mom used. His mom, not mine.


43 posted on 04/16/2013 6:27:38 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: GOPJ

“How would that jerk Chris Matthews feel if every time a mass killing took place, the MSM mussed it must be a ‘Catholic organization’ behind it... “

I don’t think they care. They say what they do because they are actors in a play pushing an agenda. Truth and logic does not matter, as long as the agenda is moved, that some listeners believe in the liberal Official Reality.


44 posted on 04/16/2013 6:29:52 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: 353FMG
Even in the US, ballbearings are not easy to come by unless you visit a dump and go looking for them.

Or have a computer that can access eBay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-1-4-Chrome-steel-bearing-balls-/380567841784?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item589b9c6bf8

45 posted on 04/16/2013 6:34:38 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
-- Any pipe bomb works by containing the blast from a low explosive (e.g. gunpowder) ... --

Burned in the open, gunpowder doesn't blast. It's a bit like a sparkler. Faster than a sparkler, but no "blast." The only way to make gunpowder, even smokeless powder, go "boom" is to contain it so pressure builds. Under the high pressure condition, it burns faaaaast! and goes boom.

Your explanation is generally right. Just a nitpick about low explosive "blast," and pointing out there is no blast at all, unless the low explosive is contained.

46 posted on 04/16/2013 6:35:59 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Venturer

Yep. The cooker itself is ductile. It won’t break into very many pieces unless it is purposely “scored” to do so.


47 posted on 04/16/2013 6:38:20 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: 353FMG

I read it wasn’t ballbearings - it was BBs. They are very easy to come by.

“The most seriously injured children had BBs and nails embedded in their bodies, said Dr. David P. Mooney — objects that were apparently packed into the explosive devices.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2013/apr/16/boston-marathon-explosions-hunt-begins-for-perperators-live-updates

Lots of details in article and quotes.


48 posted on 04/16/2013 6:57:04 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: DBrow

True - what’s your take on the posters who keep bringing up ‘McVeigh’ and OK city - while ignoring 9/11? It feels like some here are carrying liberal water...


49 posted on 04/16/2013 7:09:00 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: GOPJ

“what’s your take on the posters who keep bringing up ‘McVeigh’ “

Probably just because it was a bombing.

Liberals are silent (probably ignorant) of the bomb Karl Armstrong touched off at Sterling Hall at UWisconsin, but he did his little masterpiece as a protest of Kent State and the Viet Nam war.


50 posted on 04/16/2013 7:24:41 PM PDT by DBrow
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