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New Pics From Moments Before, After Blasts [Pics Show Bag at Bomb Site]
CNN ^ | 4/17/13 | Susan Tran

Posted on 04/17/2013 8:24:03 AM PDT by marshmallow

BOSTON (WHDH) -- Photos sent to 7News by a viewer show the scene just before and right after the bombs went off on Boylston Street.

7News has provided these pictures to the FBI as they continue their investigation. They are looking at the pictures to see if it's possible it could be the second bomb.

In the first picture you can see a bag next to a mailbox and up against a barricade along the marathon route. In the second, which we have blurred because it is very graphic, there is no sign of the bag. The viewer who took the pictures says there may be an hour or more between when the first and second pictures were taken.

A different series of pictures sent to 7News by another viewer have been handed over to the FBI as well.

A man took the images from his office above Boylston Street and they show the moments right after one of the explosions.

You can see almost everyone is frozen, a many crouching on the ground, stunned or injured. But one man is acting very differently from everyone else. You can see he is running away from the scene.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bostonmarathon
Note the bomb scene. No windows are broken in the nearby building, the tables and chairs in the restaurant are still upright and the mailbox itself is still intact and vertical.

A small explosive device whose damage was due entirely to shrapnel.

1 posted on 04/17/2013 8:24:03 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

I’ve had drinks at that bar not too long ago.


2 posted on 04/17/2013 8:24:42 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: marshmallow

FYI..these pics were all over the web yesterday..much discussed here on FR


3 posted on 04/17/2013 8:25:24 AM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline has mysteriously vanished...)
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To: ken5050

The major discussion seemed to center around the burn mark from the blast was not located at that spot.


4 posted on 04/17/2013 8:26:43 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: marshmallow

Yeah that’s what I was thinking as well. Although that bent guard rail is strange unless that is just a weird angle it’s at.


5 posted on 04/17/2013 8:27:02 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: marshmallow

The girl is handing out bottles of water which are probably stored in the bag by the mailbox.


6 posted on 04/17/2013 8:27:48 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Ingtar

My questions revolve around when the package was placed. Was it placed before the barricades or after?

Was anybody watching the barricades?


7 posted on 04/17/2013 8:28:11 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: ken5050

why is the most pertinent part of the picture? the BOMB blurred out in the 2nd after photo?


8 posted on 04/17/2013 8:28:18 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Because there are arms and legs and blood laying there.


9 posted on 04/17/2013 8:30:13 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Although that bent guard rail is strange

That's not bent; those are the portable rails that are set up for occasions. It's just knocked over, by the blast, or by people.

10 posted on 04/17/2013 8:30:46 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The bomb had already detonated so there WAS no bomb to blur.

My guess is, they blurred out blood and gore.


11 posted on 04/17/2013 8:31:25 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: marshmallow

Looks like you can see the black backpack in the street next to the guy’s foot in the bottom right. There are also smoking remains in the street as well....


12 posted on 04/17/2013 8:32:48 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: FlJoePa

Yeah you can see it in her hands, that’s Poland spring half-pints. I don’t think it’s that bag. The bomber wouldn’t be so obvious. He wants to remain hidden so he put it behind the guard rail, behind some people which would also explain the bent guard rail. Probably bent not from the explosion but from people crushing against it.


13 posted on 04/17/2013 8:32:48 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Tran the reporter on that Channel 7 news said they had blurred the photo intentionally to block out gore.


14 posted on 04/17/2013 8:32:48 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: SpirituTuo

They swept the area for explosives twice BEFORE the race started.


15 posted on 04/17/2013 8:33:23 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: FlJoePa

It looks like the orange bag is still there.


16 posted on 04/17/2013 8:35:11 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: marshmallow; Izzy Dunne; Ingtar

Noting the tables and chairs remaining upright, the lack of damage to the storefront, leads me to conclude a shape charge.

Added that it was put very close to the mailbox, a solid metal backstop for shrapnel.

Very similar to an incident I was involved with in Iraq. A suicide bomber purposely stood against a solid wall, so that the blast and shrapnel was directed outward in the direction he chose.

I am thinking the IED was placed just in that position for the same reason.


17 posted on 04/17/2013 8:36:00 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: FlJoePa

Good point


18 posted on 04/17/2013 8:36:23 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
why is the most pertinent part of the picture? the BOMB blurred out in the 2nd after photo?

I am guessing carnage, missing limbs...etc.

19 posted on 04/17/2013 8:37:39 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: marshmallow

There’s no way that a blast from that bag at that location between the security fence and the mailbox would wrap the fence streetward around the mailbox. The fence got bent like that because a person at the fence was pushed through the fence by blast originating behind them.


20 posted on 04/17/2013 8:37:48 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: marshmallow
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21 posted on 04/17/2013 8:38:43 AM PDT by keypro (Dubyateaef)
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To: marshmallow

Nope. The chairs are all pushed AWAY from the building toward the street. Something even got pushed over the railing toward the street. The barricade is wrapped around the mailbox TOWARD the street.

No way the bomb was at the street next to the mailbox. The blast would have pushed things the other way.

Plus, note the temporary sign on the pole to the right. It moved 180 degrees around the pole. That was not likely from the blast, it indicates that some movement of people has taken place between these two pictures, so it’s not really a great comparison.

But if it was moved by the blast, no way the blast was to the left of the mailbox, because the mailbox would have shielded the pole on the right side of the picture. Note that the temporary parking sign on the left pole is completely gone.


22 posted on 04/17/2013 8:39:25 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Ingtar

Dogs can’t smell explosives in a Pressure Cooker.


23 posted on 04/17/2013 8:39:34 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Izzy Dunne
That's not bent; those are the portable rails that are set up for occasions. It's just knocked over, by the blast, or by people.

Looks to me like it is bend around the mailbox, as if the bomb was behind the spectators and the blast forced spectators to bend the bar

24 posted on 04/17/2013 8:41:10 AM PDT by fso301
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To: FlJoePa

And note that if the bomb was right there, there’d be no body parts right there, they would have all been blown AWAY from the bomb. That indicates the bomb was behind that location, and blew people forward into the street.


25 posted on 04/17/2013 8:41:28 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: marshmallow

Trash can? I dont think so it looks like a postal storage box not a drop box, that the carriers use to place mail to be delivered.I believe they are all olive drag green.Postal carriers chime in?


26 posted on 04/17/2013 8:42:01 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: keypro

This is a photo of the second bomb further up Commonwealth Ave. Not the one at the Finish Line.


27 posted on 04/17/2013 8:42:11 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: marshmallow

my God...look at the little kids up against the rail so close to the bomb in the 1st picture...look at the sneakers in the street on the bottom picture...


28 posted on 04/17/2013 8:43:07 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: t1b8zs

Correct my self is postal box not trash can.


29 posted on 04/17/2013 8:45:05 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Because the guy with the gray hair and the black mid-sleeve shirt is missing half his body.


30 posted on 04/17/2013 8:45:51 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

“Tran the reporter on that Channel 7 news said they had blurred the photo intentionally to block out gore.”

That makes sense. Al Gore is a pretty ugly SOB and I wouldn’t want children to see him on TV.


31 posted on 04/17/2013 8:47:09 AM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: keypro
I am pretty sure they were taken some time apart. I think the guy in the dark mid-sleeve shirt with the missing legs in the second photo, is on the extreme left hand side of the photo, in the first picture.
32 posted on 04/17/2013 8:48:45 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: Old Sarge

My problem with that scenario, and I am by no means an expert, is the bent fencing around the mailbox would seem to go against the direction of force.


33 posted on 04/17/2013 8:49:03 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: marshmallow

It seems to me a before and after picture could be very valuable. The idea would be to see who the victims are in the after picture and then locate them in the before picture and look for people around them who would be suspicious.

In this case the couple setting on the curb (the lady is in bright green) have their legs below the knees blurred, apparently due to graphic injuries, are seen in the before picture. Looking at the before picture and over the left shoulder of the lady dressed in green a small lady with sunglasses with her head covered can be seen. Is she a Saudi?

Makes me go um.......!


34 posted on 04/17/2013 8:56:51 AM PDT by Balata (*)We came unarmed (last time)
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To: marshmallow
I look at all the people around that storefront simply enjoying a moment in their lives and wonder what could possibly motivate a person to want to create such an attack on people he doesn't know. How many lives are forever scarred by a person like this is impossible to count.

Words can't describe my disgust...

35 posted on 04/17/2013 8:56:56 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: Ingtar
the bent fencing around the mailbox would seem to go against the direction of force.

Exactly.

Most likely the picture was taken BEFORE the backpack was placed there.

The bag in front of the security railing looks like simply a bag of trash. However, the bomber may have figured this was a good place to leave his backpack, leaning it up against the security railing from behind and next to the trash bag.

In order for the security railing to be bent like that around the mailbox, there would need to be people leaning on the railing (as we see in the first photo) and then the bomb backpack placed behind the railing next to the bag of trash. The force of the blast bent the railing around the mailbox, and the weight of the people leaning on the railing resulted in the railing being bent instead of just blown away.

The upshot is that the bomber must have been there after this picture, and therefore there is a good chance he shows up in the various photographs taken in this time period.

36 posted on 04/17/2013 8:58:51 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: MeganC

You’re bad. Go to your room.

(lol funny, but bad) ;)


37 posted on 04/17/2013 9:02:51 AM PDT by Balata (*)We came unarmed (last time)
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To: marshmallow
On the video shot at whatever time before the bomb went off -- the man right above the "package" has a tan jacket on... The roommate being questioned on this website (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/fox-interviews-roommate-of-man-questioned-in-boston 0 also has a tan in color jacket on. The man arrested in a park - has the same white head (scarf?) on and a tan jacket. The only difference is that this guy has brown pants on - where the guy in the video has blue jeans on... (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309570/Boston-Marathon-bombing-suspect-Police-raid-home-linked-burned-Saudi-student-acting-suspiciously.html) Wonder what the roommate was wearing...
38 posted on 04/17/2013 9:05:20 AM PDT by BCW (I'm searching for John Galt)
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To: Ingtar

Bear in mind what an explosion is: a spherical burst. The idea is, is to direct the expanding force along a desired vector.

Setting the charge on the ground pushes the force upward and laterally. Setting the charge next to a backstop (like the mailbox) further directs the blast.

The only thing remaining is, the actual construction of the device. Think about the old Claymore mines, with the “Front Toward Enemy” label on it. The Claymore is a shape charge, directing the projectiles along one vector.

I’m wondering how the charge in this event was built...


39 posted on 04/17/2013 9:17:46 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Ingtar

Pressure cooker bomb lid flew 35 yards onto hotel roof [w pics]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310200/Boston-Marathon-pressure-cooker-bomb-lid-6th-floor-hotel-rooftop-35-yards-away.html


40 posted on 04/17/2013 9:18:52 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Very good analysis. I need to adjust.


41 posted on 04/17/2013 9:19:06 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: marshmallow; All

I just saw a picture posted on twitter of a guy with a backpack at the site. Look like it came from a security camera.

Trying to find it so I can link it. Might not be legit but the guy (white guy... looked like a crazy, unkempt etc.) was carrying it on his arm like it was heavy.


42 posted on 04/17/2013 9:20:13 AM PDT by SMCC1
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To: Balata

I don’t think the people in green are the same person. Top pic is clearly gray haried the bottom is considerably darker and doesn’t look like dirt or smoke.


43 posted on 04/17/2013 9:21:11 AM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: marshmallow

I don’t think that white bag is the bomb.. Note backpack remnant in lower right portion of photo. This doesn’t square with the ‘man in blue and man in white cap’ situation though.. Confusing.


44 posted on 04/17/2013 9:52:14 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: conservativebabe

You may be right. The time frame between those two pictures is a big unknown as well.


45 posted on 04/17/2013 9:54:02 AM PDT by Balata (*)We came unarmed (last time)
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To: FlJoePa
The girl is handing out bottles of water which are probably stored in the bag by the mailbox.

I didn't notice it at first, but yes, it appears the water bottles are green (I thought it was a layer of clothing at first glance). She's holding at least two in each hand between her fingers.

46 posted on 04/17/2013 10:15:23 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: marshmallow

Scorch marks appear to be directly away from mailbox, which are bolted down. Concussion reflected off that flat face would have yielded a double dose of heat.


47 posted on 04/17/2013 11:14:53 AM PDT by Jumpmaster (Mitt said he will put America back to work. 53% said "Screw that"!)
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To: Ingtar

OK, it was swept twice, but there was no on-going security?

I am not looking to point fingers, but address items that could be used in an After Action Report.

Consider how the Army, when on patrol, are constantly scanning the perimeter. If something is out of place, which that bag clearly is, action is taken. Think road-side bomb.

Maybe that is what we have to do now for major events, have somebody(s) walking the event route, scanning for unattended items.


48 posted on 04/17/2013 1:36:12 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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