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Rand Paul Defends Immigration Reform: 'I've Got A News Flash' For Coulter And Limbaugh
YouTube ^ | Mar 21, 2013 | Rand Paul

Posted on 04/17/2013 9:00:54 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

Confronted with critical quotes from Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh on Fox News Thursday morning, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) stood firm on his immigration reform stance and fired back at anyone who would try to question his resolve.

After Paul explained his stance on border security, the conversation shifted to undocumented immigrants who are already in the country. Fox host Bill Hemmer said, "you know you're a ripe target for the word amnesty," and then played clips of what media figures like Coulter and Limbaugh have been saying about the senator since he indicated his openness to a "pathway to citizenship."

"People like Coulter and Limbaugh say people like you are being suckered into an agreement here," Hemmer added. "What they argue is that conservative principles should not be sacrificed here, it's that the Republican message has been lost in the process. What would you say to that?"

Paul was eager to jump in and defend himself, saying "I've got a news flash for those who want to call people names on amnesty. What we have now is de facto amnesty." He explained, "We have 11 million people here that have been here, some of them for a decade or more. No one is telling them to go home. No one is sending them home."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; amnestypimp; randpaul
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1 posted on 04/17/2013 9:00:54 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; VinL; ex-snook; sport; INVAR; ejonesie22; PieterCasparzen; Colonel_Flagg; Washi; ...

Rand Paul Amnesty Pimp Ping!


2 posted on 04/17/2013 9:01:25 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

I was hoping he’d be a contender. I guess I’m left with Cruz. He hasn’t done anything horrible yet...I think.


3 posted on 04/17/2013 9:04:05 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: SoConPubbie

What an assclown.


4 posted on 04/17/2013 9:04:23 AM PDT by montag813
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To: SoConPubbie

I am so disgusted by what the GOP has become. My President, Ronald Reagan, must be rolling in his grave.


5 posted on 04/17/2013 9:04:35 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SoConPubbie
What we have now is de facto amnesty."

He's sellout but he's correct.

What we have, even in so-call red states...is a de facto sanctuary country..

6 posted on 04/17/2013 9:04:43 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SoConPubbie

There is a big difference between having rats in the cellar and putting out food for them. If this idiot thinks the vermin will vote for a strong America after he gives them voting rights, then he is stupider than he looks now.


7 posted on 04/17/2013 9:05:37 AM PDT by soycd
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To: SoConPubbie

He is right about one thing we do have de-facto amnesty. No one is sending them home.

That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be sent home though.

We have had 2 amnesties in my memory both were supposed to close the borders and stop the need for another amnesty.

This amnesty will be no different. Except we will have to have another in ten years.By that time we may have a Mexican President.

CLOSE THE DAMNED BORDERS before granting any amnesty.


8 posted on 04/17/2013 9:08:29 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Politicalmom
I was hoping he’d be a contender. I guess I’m left with Cruz. He hasn’t done anything horrible yet...I think.

So far Cruz seems to be the real deal; but we now know better than to put to much faith in any Republicrat. Maybe the Cruz has been designated as the last man whose job it is to turn out the lights when he leaves.

9 posted on 04/17/2013 9:12:52 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Politicalmom
I was hoping he’d be a contender. I guess I’m left with Cruz. He hasn’t done anything horrible yet...I think.

I too had high hopes for him when he had won election as the Senator from Kentucky.

However, as he prepares for his run at the Presidency in 2016, it is becoming all to apparent that he is just a warmed-over rehash of his Dad, but with a better polish.
10 posted on 04/17/2013 9:16:12 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Meanwhile the Saudi students have landed safely at home.


11 posted on 04/17/2013 9:16:56 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Politicalmom

Isn’t Ted Cruz ineligible to be President, at least according to some birther purists?

I’m afraid the list of “pure” conservatives (at least those that couldn’t inspire another round of circular firing squads here on FR and elsewhere among conservatives) is short to none already. And we haven’t even reached the midterm elections.

Which is pretty darn pathetic.


12 posted on 04/17/2013 9:17:07 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: magna carta
Meanwhile the Saudi students have landed safely at home.

No doubt to a hero's welcome.

13 posted on 04/17/2013 9:19:11 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SoConPubbie
"We have 11 million people here that have been here, some of them for a decade or more. No one is telling them to go home. No one is sending them home."

Enforce the immigration laws we already have, and they'll leave by themselves. No welfare, no employment, no sanctuary cities.
Stop rewarding them for breaking our laws, and the problem will be solved!

The politicians are doing this for votes and nothing but votes to increase their own power and privilege. "Screw the American tax payers. Let them eat weeds."

14 posted on 04/17/2013 9:21:16 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SoConPubbie

“What we have now is de facto amnesty”

......”So let’s double-down on it! Woohoo!” Rand Paul


15 posted on 04/17/2013 9:24:50 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul, the open borders libertarian from Kentucky. More wackiness and nuttiness to be revealed as other key issues come before the Senate.


16 posted on 04/17/2013 9:28:05 AM PDT by Will88
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To: montag813

“What an assclown.”

What part of his statement you don’t agree with?

You don’t think there’s a defacto amnesty? You think Obama is doing a good job?


17 posted on 04/17/2013 9:29:25 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Reddy
“What we have now is de facto amnesty”
......”So let’s double-down on it! Woohoo!” Rand Paul

AND the new immigrants will get free tax payer paid cell phones. Isn't that great? Gosh, those Republicans sure are good to other people. Too bad they weren't on our side.

18 posted on 04/17/2013 9:29:53 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SoConPubbie

The right answer to the wrong question is still a wrong answer. Conservatives are answering the wrong question when they should be changing the conversation to asking the right questions.

What are the right questions? I don’t know, but I would start with:

Why do we have immigration laws at all? Hmm? What are the specific things a person needs to have done before they can immigrate? Are they not important things protecting the US population from...well what are the purposes of the requirements?

Why don’t we simply grant citizenship to anyone who can sneak into the country, or stays longer than their Visa allows? Isn’t that what you are proposing we do?

Why don’t we get rid of ICE altogther, unless there is a reason for them? Is there a reason to keep ICE?


19 posted on 04/17/2013 9:30:00 AM PDT by shatcher (Judges 17:6b Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.)
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20 posted on 04/17/2013 9:32:29 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Politicalmom

“I guess I’m left with Cruz.”

Paul and Cruz have the exact same position on this issue.


21 posted on 04/17/2013 9:33:16 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: SoConPubbie
Rand, the feral government refuses to enforce current federal immigration law. The feral government has a history of this behavior. There is absolutely no reason to believe they will enforce your "border security" provisions.

FURP.

22 posted on 04/17/2013 9:34:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

No, it’s not.

“The part that I’ve got deep concerns about is any path to citizenship for those who are here illegally. I think that is profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who have followed the rules, who have waited in line.”-Ted Cruz to Sean Hannity.


23 posted on 04/17/2013 9:38:41 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: BarnacleCenturion; Politicalmom
Paul and Cruz have the exact same position on this issue.

Quit parsing words BC.

Care to share a link with everyone where Senator Ted Cruz has either proposed or supports Amnesty like Rand Paul does with his plan to "Normalize" 2 million Illegal Aliens each and every year?
24 posted on 04/17/2013 9:39:27 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: BarnacleCenturion; montag813
What part of his statement you don’t agree with?

You don’t think there’s a defacto amnesty? You think Obama is doing a good job?


Oh please!

Rand Paul supports Amnesty, pure and simple.

That's why he is a Jack Ass!
25 posted on 04/17/2013 9:41:03 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: soycd; SoConPubbie
There is a big difference between having rats in the cellar and putting out food for them.

Wait a minute there soy..Are you suggesting the employers in red states like Texas don't reward millions of illegals by hiring them and paying them?

Lets cut the bull sh*t.

26 posted on 04/17/2013 9:41:27 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
“I guess I’m left with Cruz.” Paul and Cruz have the exact same position on this issue.

Like battered wives, the Republicans know we'll rush out to vote for them anyway, no matter what - "or the other guy will win."
They keep abusing their base, and then instill the fear of a democrat winning if we don't support them when an election comes around.

Amnesty will be a kick in our face, but they know we'll still vote for them with open arms and kisses in 2014. They do this to us all the time.

27 posted on 04/17/2013 9:41:37 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SoConPubbie

Paul is good on budget issues.

But pushing amnesty and homosexual/lesbian marriages are bright line tests for me.

I cannot support him.


28 posted on 04/17/2013 9:44:39 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: concerned about politics
Like battered wives, the Republicans know we'll rush out to vote for them anyway, no matter what

Speak for yourself....Some of us wised up *years* ago to this Democrat/Republican sham conjob..

You've been taken for a sucker.

29 posted on 04/17/2013 9:47:26 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Politicalmom

Rand Paul: I didn’t back faster path to citizenship

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/03/19/rand-paul-advisers-say-he-didnt-back-faster-path-to-citizenship/

Lots of misreporting out there. Erick Erickson notes: “I have read the entirety of Rand Paul’s speech. I have spoken directly to the Senator. No where in his speech does he use the word ‘citizenship...’ Rand Paul is not calling for citizenship... Feel free to disagree with Senator Paul if you must. Just don’t claim he’s pursuing a path to citizenship.

http://www.redstate.com/2013/03/19/erica-werner-of-the-associated-press-reads-more-into-rand-pauls-speech-than-is-there/

I repeat: Rand and Cruz have the exact same position on this issue. And Cruz has endorsed everything Rand has said so far.


30 posted on 04/17/2013 9:47:26 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: SoConPubbie
What we have now is a policy of non enforcement, which is de-facto amnesty.

Enforce existing laws!

31 posted on 04/17/2013 9:51:21 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Oh, please. A path to legalization, which Paul supports, IS AMNESTY. Cruz doesn’t support it.


32 posted on 04/17/2013 9:53:40 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: dragnet2
Speak for yourself....Some of us wised up *years* ago to this Democrat/Republican sham conjob..
You've been taken for a sucker.

I found McCain and Romney both repulsive. I didn't like either one, but I voted against Oboma. The Republican elites counted on people like me to vote against rather than for..
Never again. Let the chips fall where they may. My conscience will be clean this time. The American people will get what they deserve.
The Republicans are doing this to themselves. I didn't leave the party. The party left me.

33 posted on 04/17/2013 9:54:32 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: BarnacleCenturion; Politicalmom
I repeat: Rand and Cruz have the exact same position on this issue. And Cruz has endorsed everything Rand has said so far.

You're not being honest either with yourself or other posters here at FreeRepublic.

Amnesty does not necessarily equate with Amnesty.

In other words: there is NOT a 1 to 1 correlation between granting Citizenship and Amnesty.

From Merriam-Webster.com:

Definition of AMNESTY

: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals .

Rand Paul wants to "Normalize" or legalize all the Illegal Aliens in this country at the rate of 2 million Illegal Invaders a year.

They do not have to be punished according to current laws for breaking into this country and they certainly, according to Rand Paul's plan, have to serve the time required for committing the felony of ID Fraud which many of them have done.

So let's be honest with each other, we are conservatives.

Rand Paul is simply using rhetoric and weasel words to cover up the fact that he wants to grant Amnesty to all the Illegal Aliens in this country.

Futhermore, you need to back up your false claim that Senator Ted Cruz's position is exactly the same as Rand Pauls'.

I bet you can't!
34 posted on 04/17/2013 9:56:20 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
You don’t think there’s a defacto amnesty? You think Obama is doing a good job?

His "solution" is to replace "defacto amnesty" with ACTUAL amnesty. He does NOT want to complete the border fence. He is AGAINST E-Verify. He said anyone is welcome in America "if you want to work". He claims (as does Rubio) illegals won't get welfare benefits - but they do ALREADY. 57% of illegals NOW collect at least one form of welfare, any children they have here are automatically CITIZENS (hence "anchor babies") and the entire family becomes eligible for SSI, food stamps and WIC. ALL OF THIS HAPPENS before any of thise "pay fines and taxes, learn english, obey the law, secure the border" nonsense. I repeat: Rand Paul is an assclown.

35 posted on 04/17/2013 9:57:00 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

So his idea is to reward “illegal Aliens” just because they have been here for whatever length of time? I don’t think they should ever have a path for Citizenship! We have heard this crap before, if we just let these folks have a free get out of jail card the problem will go away. How’s that worked so far Rand?, Marco? The answer is it does not work! Fist step is close the border period! Nothing else should be done until that is done.


36 posted on 04/17/2013 10:00:08 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We have to do something
To stop this madness.

37 posted on 04/17/2013 10:00:16 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Lots of misreporting out there. Erick Erickson notes: “I have read the entirety of Rand Paul’s speech. I have spoken directly to the Senator. No where in his speech does he use the word ‘citizenship...’ Rand Paul is not calling for citizenship... Feel free to disagree with Senator Paul if you must. Just don’t claim he’s pursuing a path to citizenship.

Are you a Paul staffer? Erickson said that RIGHT AFTER the Paul speech, in response to his OMITTING "path to citizenship" from that speech, despite it having been present in the printed remarks he had released to the AP before it.

But in his media interviews he said it: "After the speech, however, Paul again confirmed, while speaking to reporters, that under his plan, illegal immigrants would ultimately be able to apply for citizenship after a long and complex process.”

38 posted on 04/17/2013 10:00:32 AM PDT by montag813
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To: concerned about politics
I found McCain and Romney both repulsive. I didn't like either one

But then ya turn around and say ya voted for people who are repulsive and have no problem betraying and lying to ya.

Like I said, you've been had...Hoodwinked.

They're all riding in the same limo...It takes some people many years to figure this conjob out.

39 posted on 04/17/2013 10:08:38 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SoConPubbie
"no one is telling them to go home," maybe no one in the government but plenty of those of us out here in the country (you know "we the people," Rand, ole boy), we've been screaming for it for decades!

You people, you know OUR EMPLOYEES, refuse to what we've asked, pleaded, begged for you to do because you have given yourselves the only power to do this job!

We even formed groups, you know Rand, groups called Minute Men like our forefathers did.

What happened to that, Rand, you people, our employees, called them/us illegal militias, hatemongers and racists! Then you people told them/us to do what they were doing was "illegal!"

So now, Rand, you people, our employees, tell us what "we're not going to do," i.e., send the, home?p>Lastly, Rand, you sought TEA Party support and money to get elected. Now that you're there for a six-year term, you tell your supporters, that you didn't really mean what you ran on, you really support the millions of illegal aliens who had no part in electing you, people who are only taking millions of our tax dollars, like you are, Rand, these are the people you really care about.

Thanks a lot, Rand.

40 posted on 04/17/2013 10:20:59 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: dragnet2
He's correct only because the only people with the power to stop it, are sitting in DC and refuse to do the first job that they are charged with!
41 posted on 04/17/2013 10:24:06 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: shatcher
Is there a reason to keep ICE?

Yes. So there can be selective enforcement of laws against hiring illegal immigrants by Conservatives/Political Opponents of the Regime.

TS

42 posted on 04/17/2013 10:39:06 AM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Sovereignty Poof! Ping...

Rand Small...


43 posted on 04/17/2013 10:54:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: SoConPubbie

TWO QUESTIONS ON AMNESTY

(1) When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ?

This is a question: Should Mexican citizens when in the US be given the same rights American citizens are given while in Mexico? This has yet to appear on any US legislator’s questionaire from either chamber....ASK YOUR FEDERAL LEGISLATORS WHY IT HASN’T

(2) What makes it necessary for US to subjugate our sovereignty because of available cheap labor ? While we encourage wholesale abortion as the Godless Demo-Coms socialists encourage population control and abortion Then complain the US is not reproducing enough to replace its aging supply of workers to keep their welfare ponzie schemes supplied with tax money to keep the system working.

Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .


44 posted on 04/17/2013 11:11:48 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause..Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: SoConPubbie
These people make me laugh. Each one of them thinks HE has the MAGIC formula to give the invaders amnesty and STILL remain conservatives. It's like the guys who spent their lives trying to make gold out of horse shiite or turnips - it didn't happen then and it won't happen now. Bye, Paul we THOUGHT you might have been the one but you just showed us you're nowhere near being the guy.
45 posted on 04/17/2013 5:03:44 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: SoConPubbie; P-Marlowe

Rand Paul is right about what we have now. We have de facto amnesty. We also have open borders and American citizen funding of foreign illegals.

However, this plan does NOT first control the border. It says something about spending 4 billion or so on border control over a 10 year period. That’s contempt for those who want controlled access to this country.

Therefore, what does the “new” law do? Essentially, it maintains the status quo with the border, but now there’s a path to a green card for those who violate the borders.

It’s hard to imagine anything being worse than what we have now, but this is worse than the status quo. It takes serious work to come up with something worse than the status quo, but they’ve achieved it.

This “uncontrolled border green card” plan must be rejected.


46 posted on 04/17/2013 6:22:44 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SharpRightTurn

I trust Rand. He’s trying to make a bad bill better. He’ll probably fail and vote against it.


47 posted on 04/20/2013 12:49:12 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: xzins

The bill is terrible and Rand is trying to make it better at least as far as border security is concerned before handing out any visas’.

He wants congress to vote on it. That means if they dont enforce existing laws then we can stop it through the congress.

The trade off is that we give illegals a visa to stay and work legally.

I dont even like the idea of fining them. Secure the border then have your visa and get on with it. If they want citizenship make them learn about the constitution.

I’m not afraid that we can’t win their vote when they’re citizens.


48 posted on 04/20/2013 12:53:02 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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