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Baucus warns of 'huge train wreck' enacting ObamaCare provisions [hypocrite helped create it]
The Hill ^ | April 17, 2013 | Sam Baker

Posted on 04/17/2013 11:12:34 AM PDT by grundle

en. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) said Wednesday he fears a "train wreck" as the Obama administration implements its signature healthcare law.

Baucus, the chairman of the powerful Finance Committee and a key architect of the healthcare law, said he fears people do not understand how the law will work.

"I just see a huge train wreck coming down," Baucus told Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius at a Wednesday hearing. "You and I have discussed this many times, and I don't see any results yet."

"Small businesses have no idea what to do, what to expect," Baucus said.

Citing anecdotal evidence from small businesses in his home state, Baucus asked Sebelius for specifics about how it is measuring public understanding of the law.

"You need data. Do you have any data? You've never given me data. You only give me concepts, frankly," Baucus told Sebelius.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: baucus; corruption; democrats; fraud; obama; obamacare; pelosi; socialisthealthcare
These complaints are coming, hypocritically, from one of the people who created Obamacare. He never raised these issues several years ago, before Obamacare was passed. He waited until after the 2012 election to raise these issues. He has no one but himself to blame for the mess that he created.
1 posted on 04/17/2013 11:12:34 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Idiots. The entire mess is unconstitutional. Repeal it before it repeals us!


2 posted on 04/17/2013 11:16:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: grundle

This jerk has been the engineer driving the train, so I guess he knows where it’s going.


3 posted on 04/17/2013 11:21:39 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: grundle
You've never given me data. You only give me concepts, frankly," Baucus told Sebelius.

But you voted for it, didn't you.

Schmuck.

4 posted on 04/17/2013 11:25:02 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: colorado tanker

See Max that is what happens when you vote on Legislation that isn’t even written yet...

So March down to the Well of the Senate and vote on the Unwritten Gun Conviscation Legislation and Scamnasty, you Dolt!


5 posted on 04/17/2013 11:26:38 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: grundle
"Baucus ... a key architect of the healthcare law, said he fears people do not understand how the law will won't work."

There, fixed.

6 posted on 04/17/2013 11:27:18 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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" Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution. " James Madison Federalist No. 39, January 1788

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7 posted on 04/17/2013 11:27:50 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: grundle
No one with a brain can only NOW suspect that the whole “Obamacare” scam is or EVER WAS a workable and rational plan for Health Reform.

How anyone can be surprised at how abjectly ruinous the idea is, is beyond me!

8 posted on 04/17/2013 11:29:16 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: grundle

Well, Max, buddy, I guess now you know what’s in it. BTT.


9 posted on 04/17/2013 11:30:37 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: grundle

This drunken fool was one of Obamacare’s prime proponents. Fine time to tell us all it’s FUBAR, Baucus.


10 posted on 04/17/2013 11:30:56 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: grundle

I wonder if any of them have read it yet?


11 posted on 04/17/2013 11:31:01 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: grundle

My guess he is not really concerned; unless it is to distract.


12 posted on 04/17/2013 11:31:41 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: grobdriver

THIS is what happens when BUREAUCRATS are the ones really running the government!!! (And, the elected “officials” are merely doing their bidding.)


13 posted on 04/17/2013 11:31:42 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: grundle
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14 posted on 04/17/2013 11:33:53 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: grobdriver

Methinks Max the God of Wine’s re-election polls aren’t looking so rosy.


15 posted on 04/17/2013 11:34:14 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: shhrubbery!

Max Bogus.


16 posted on 04/17/2013 11:35:28 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: grundle

Sen. Max Baucus was the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee and a chief architect of ObamaCare. Baucus inserted language in the ObamaCare bill to provide services and benefits, including Medicare, for a group of Montana miners exposed to asbestos.

So, Baucus was a chief creator of ObamaCare and now he is suddenly saying it’s a coming trainwreck. Just try to imagine how the corrupt MSM would be screaming if this were a Bush/Republican bill and it was falling apart and destroying the economy along the way.


17 posted on 04/17/2013 11:37:55 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: grundle
Pelosi was right. They had to pass the bill to find out what is in it.

That said, this is by design. It is cause and effect. It is reaping what one sows. Overly complicated, poorly designed legislation results in overly complicated, poorly designed law which results in overly complicated, poorly designed bureaucracy which results in overly complicated, poorly designed policy, which results in overly complicated, poorly designed programs.

18 posted on 04/17/2013 11:39:45 AM PDT by magellan
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To: grundle

the law was not MEANT TO work
it was meant to fail, and cripple insurance companies, so that we all end up in single-payer (100% government health care)


19 posted on 04/17/2013 11:41:06 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Baucus will easily be reelected..
20 posted on 04/17/2013 11:44:21 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: SMARTY

Yup. Another Fabian head fake. It was never about healthcare. It was all about destroying the economy, getting direct control of people’s bank accounts, raising an army under the rubric public service, and gutting the constitution in the name of pubic health.


21 posted on 04/17/2013 11:45:24 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Jim Robinson

I guess I heard that he won’t run again but will someone tell me why the people of Montana keep electing leftist idiot rats?


22 posted on 04/17/2013 11:45:26 AM PDT by cherry
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To: grundle; All
Back in 2010, one of Baucus's defenses of Obama's policies was, Baucus: "It is a shift, a leveling . . . ."As will all such schemes by governments throughout history, coercive "leveling" (coercive redistribution of the earnings of hard working citizens) never works, but always destroys liberty.

America's liberty and prosperity for over 200 years was based on another idea, for the earnings of hardworking citizens were protected from the coercive hand of government by a written Constitution which did not allow the Baucuses of the world such "taking" power. Hear Samuel Adams:

"Is it now high time for the people of this country to explicitly declare whether they will be free men or slaves. It is an important question which ought to be decided. It concerns more than anything in this life. The salvation of our souls is interested in this event. For wherever tyranny is established, immorality of every kind comes in like a torrent, it is in the interest of tyrants to reduce the people to ignorance and vice.” - Samuel Adams

And:

“The utopian schemes of leveling and a community of goods, are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the crown. These ideas are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government unconstitutional.” - Samuel Adams

23 posted on 04/17/2013 11:48:13 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: grundle

The rats are trying to distance themselves already.

All the while the head rat blames the Republicans (who control everything in DC, according to Obama when he is looking for a way out of his mess).


24 posted on 04/17/2013 11:50:28 AM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: grundle

This is the part where the TRAITOR congressmen pretend they didn’t “really” want to vote for Obamacare, but had to.

They also pretend nobody owns TV’s during primary season.


25 posted on 04/17/2013 11:50:36 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: grundle; All
Am I seeing DC socialists trying to turn their "remedy," Obamacare, for a crisis that DC socialists manufactured, into another government-manufactured crisis?
26 posted on 04/17/2013 11:51:49 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: magellan

I can’t wait to see how they go about “simplifying” it. There’s no way they didn’t know that they were creating a Frankenstein, and Pelosi was entirely too casual when she said “we have to pass it to see what’s in it”. What she was saying was, it doesn’t matter, because obamacare is not the true end goal of their agenda. What they will claim they have to do to fix obamacare is the true end of their agenda.


27 posted on 04/17/2013 11:57:30 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SMARTY

That’s just it, they did already know. That’s why they could be so unbelievably cavalier in forcing its passage without it having been read or understood. That dog’s dinner was never the end goal. What they’re going to do to “fix” it is the end goal. Otherwise people like Baucus would be in their usual CYA spin mode.


28 posted on 04/17/2013 11:59:37 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: PowderMonkey

All THAT and more... but there are a lot of people in the US who are very easily led.

They heard the magic word ‘free’ and their eyes glazed over.

Right, free like the toy in the Cracker Jack box.... if sometning is free ... that means it isn’t worth anything!


29 posted on 04/17/2013 11:59:44 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: grobdriver
But you voted for it, didn't you.

Hell he was one of the principal 'authors,' if poisonous gibberish can be considered writing.

The situation in Washington is one of complete insanity. They are run amok, they are bribing and stroking one another, they do great national damage in order to be seen doing something....

Babel.

30 posted on 04/17/2013 12:00:19 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: grundle
What a lying, hypocritcal POS...he wrote the healthcare bill, bullied CBO into lowering its score, and then denied ever reading it, saying it was a "waste of time."

Scum.

31 posted on 04/17/2013 12:05:56 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: mrsmel
What they will claim they have to do to fix obamacare is the true end of their agenda.

That will likely be a single-payer system, which was their goal to begin with.
32 posted on 04/17/2013 1:24:36 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: VRWCarea51

Baucus: You reap what you sow.

Remember the a - - - - - e Pelosi saying, “We have to pass the bill to see what is in it”

Well, now those idiots are seeing!!!


33 posted on 04/17/2013 1:34:11 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Signalman

Frankly they should have jumped in with both feet and gone to a single payer system right off the bat.The reason they didn’t was because the idiots on the Hill don’t consider mandatory payments to an insurance company to be the same thing as mandatory payments to the IRS. Of course in either event, its really a tax.


34 posted on 04/17/2013 1:39:25 PM PDT by Maximum Leader (run from a knife, close on a gun)
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To: grundle

If I remember correctly, Baucus has a perfect cover for his vote and subsequent critique of the implementation ... he was drunk!! I remember distinctly that he was incoherent and an absolute embarrassment to the Democrats (if that is possible).


35 posted on 04/17/2013 1:40:43 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The Team: Progressives, Margret Sanger, Josef Mengele and the Butcher of Philadelphia)
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To: grundle
Baucus, ... said he fears people do not understand how the law will work.

No, the people understand very well how it will work. That's why employers are taking measures to reduce its impact as much as possible. Reducing workforces, shifting from full-timers to part-timers, etc.

And then there are the health care providers who are preparing for career changes or early retirement.

36 posted on 04/17/2013 3:22:22 PM PDT by mellow velo (Oxymorons: jumbo shrimp, rap music, liberal think-tank)
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To: All
UNCLE OBAMA---legacy freak


37 posted on 04/17/2013 4:49:53 PM PDT by Liz
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Max Baucus, author of Obamacare, admits he never read his own bill

According to Baucus, the idea of him reading a bill allocating nearly $1 trillion of federal funds is “a waste of time:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/max-baucus-author-of-obamacare-admits-he-never-read-his-own-bill-101473894.html


38 posted on 04/18/2013 5:43:45 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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