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John Kerry to Congress: Middle East peace effort is urgent
Yahoo! News ^ | 1 hr 7 mins ago | By Howard LaFranchi | Christian Science Monitor

Posted on 04/17/2013 1:23:18 PM PDT by F15Eagle

In his first congressional hearing as secretary of State, John Kerry tells lawmakers that, after the Benghazi attacks, the US must fortify security for diplomats, press for a two-state solution in the Middle East.

Seven months after the deadly terrorist attack on the US mission in Benghazi, Libya, the State Department is proposing hundreds of millions of dollars in new security spending – tacit acknowledgement that some of the most effective security enhancements for America’s overseas diplomats are still months or years away.

Secretary of State John Kerry told the House Foreign Affairs Committee Wednesday that the department’s proposed fiscal 2014 budget calls for $4.4 billion “to fortify our worldwide security protection and improve our overseas infrastructure.”

In his first congressional testimony as secretary of State, Mr. Kerry also underscored his commitment to pressing forward in the decades-old quest for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Unlike his predecessor, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Kerry has made reaching a peace accord a top goal of his tenure. “We have some period of time – a year to year-and-a-half to two years – or it’s over," he said, underscoring the urgency of his Middle East effort.

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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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These fools are laying the groundwork for the Antichrist and they don't even realize it. Because you can't tell them a thing about the Bible.

Like Tom Daschle cursing America with Isaiah 9:10, on 9/12/2001, and John Edwards cursing America with the same Isaiah 9:10 three years later, on 9/11/2004 and then Obama almost doing the same, they think it's just a joke.

The God of Israel is not laughing about dividing the land. It will have serious consequences for the whole world.

1 posted on 04/17/2013 1:23:18 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: F15Eagle

“Sh’ma Yisrael: Adonai elohenu. Adonai echad.”


2 posted on 04/17/2013 1:26:36 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: F15Eagle

We’ll have peace for our time!


3 posted on 04/17/2013 1:26:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: F15Eagle

Maybe Kerry can throw somebody elses medals over another fence in protest....


4 posted on 04/17/2013 1:27:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: MrB; RaceBannon; mitch5501; TaraP; GiovannaNicoletta; haffast; topher; 444Flyer; NoGrayZone

Ping to others as I don’t have my list handy

Here is Isaiah 9:10

Isaiah 9:10 King James Version (KJV)

10 The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.

I can usually NOT recommend this show because it’s just too much nonsense. However, in this rare exception, they did a good job explaining what happened several years ago. It’s worth watching the whole thing if you can. Just avoid the other nonsense often associated with this show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlrDYRVlUf0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcsv4t9SzTg


5 posted on 04/17/2013 1:28:33 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

What’s a “Palestinian”?


6 posted on 04/17/2013 1:29:46 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: F15Eagle

Congress to Kerry: No shit Sherlock?


7 posted on 04/17/2013 1:29:51 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“We’ll have peace for our time!”

As you know, that is what I’m afraid of, sir. (I understand your post). These blind fools *think* they know what they are doing.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%208:23-25&version=KJV

Daniel 8:23-25 King James Version (KJV)

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


8 posted on 04/17/2013 1:31:03 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle
NEVER FORGET


9 posted on 04/17/2013 1:31:46 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: massgopguy

” What’s a “Palestinian”?”

Any friend of Kerry.


10 posted on 04/17/2013 1:32:20 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Mastador1

Translation: the muslims need more taxpayer money.


11 posted on 04/17/2013 1:32:44 PM PDT by refermech
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To: F15Eagle

I was quoting Neville Chamberlain negotiating with Adolph Hitler.


12 posted on 04/17/2013 1:32:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: refermech

Well how else can they afford the weapons they need to slaughter Christians and Jews? Let alone keep the moderate Muslims in line.


13 posted on 04/17/2013 1:35:58 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I don’t want to be critical but these savages had not had peace in 5,000 years.


14 posted on 04/17/2013 1:36:31 PM PDT by edcoil (If the man was accused of leadership, there would not be enough evidence to convict him.)
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To: F15Eagle
It is not good to mock the Lord your God, dems don't get it.

Think of it this way, God used Judas for His purpose. He will use these idiots as well.

15 posted on 04/17/2013 1:37:53 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: edcoil

Correct


16 posted on 04/17/2013 1:39:11 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: refermech

Just how much money can Kerry dispense wherever he goes without Congressional approval? Next time the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt or the North Korean goons need money, Congress ought to cut the funding.


17 posted on 04/17/2013 1:39:19 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Jim Robinson
Yeah, I read your quote as just that. Spot on. History is repeating itself.




18 posted on 04/17/2013 1:42:19 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

Kerry wouldn’t know urgent from detergent.


19 posted on 04/17/2013 1:43:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: F15Eagle

Forget about peace for tge region. Let’s leave and have our seperate peace.


20 posted on 04/17/2013 1:43:49 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: exnavy

I think some of them actually may (in a rare few case) think they are heading off Armageddon, because they will negotiate a “peace deal”.

And they (a rare few) don’t even realize they’re heading right into the trap. I wonder if Tony Blair has a clue; I’m not sure that he does because he sure has a hankering for “Middle-East Peace” by dividing Israel.

And has established a permanent base in Jerusalem, it appears.


21 posted on 04/17/2013 1:45:04 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

The book and accompaning video for THE HARBINGER is awsome!


22 posted on 04/17/2013 1:53:15 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Telling the truth about RINOS, PAULTARDS, Liberals and Muslims has become hate speech)
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To: All

And from 2004 - regarding the Quartet (Tony Blair still does this job) and dividing Israel for “peace”. For the thread and lurkers.


https://www.thebereancall.org/node/2589

“Road Map” to Armageddon

Hunt, Dave

Jan 1 2004

The “Quartet” of Bush, Putin, UN, and EU is determined, through a division of land, to bring a “just and lasting peace” into the Middle East between Israel and her neighbors. Assuming they are sincere and not just working for their own interests, their mental state must be on a par with those who gave the Nobel Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat, a mass murderer, habitual liar, and the world’s leading terrorist, who has done more than anyone to destroy world peace. How thankful the West should be that Al Gore (who repeatedly, as vice president, warmly received Arafat into the White House) is not there now as president!

In fact, Muhammad, whose word cannot be changed, imposed upon every Muslim in every age the duty of exterminating all Jews. Only then can the “Last Day” (the climax of Islam) arrive. That fact makes “peace” between Israel and Muslims impossible—ever. Any apparent “peace” agreements signed by Muslim leaders are not worth the ink in their signatures! In the ten years prior to the signing of the Oslo Accords, 211 Israelis were killed by terrorists; in the ten years since, about 1,200 have been killed and 5,000 wounded.

No Arab/Muslim political or religious leader can contradict Islam’s founding prophet. Thus to continue to pursue a negotiated “peace” in the Middle East is the height of folly! Yet Western political and religious leaders continue to hold out that vain hope and to force concessions upon Israel that pave the road to her destruction!

Modern Israel occupies a relatively small piece of land. Arabs possess 700 times as much, with vast amounts of oil and minerals. Why are they determined to possess tiny Israel too? Islam says it belongs to them!

A sovereign Jewish state proves that Muhammad was a false prophet, and that Allah is not God. Muslims must destroy Israel!

Both the Bible and Qur’an agree that 4,000 years ago God gave the Promised Land to Abraham and his Israeli descendants. Yet, the Arabs claim ownership through Ishmael, Abraham’s first son. But God declared that not Ishmael, but Isaac, who would be born to Sarah, was the son and heir He had promised (Gen:17:15-21

).

Like his father, Isaac also had two sons, Esau and Jacob; and again the Lord rejected the firstborn and gave the inheritance to the second—so the inheritance flows from Abraham to Isaac and on to Jacob, whose name God changed to Israel. Twelve times Yahweh calls Himself “the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,” declaring, “this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial to all generations” (Ex 3:15). More than 200 times, from Exodus:5:1 to Luke:1:68, Yahweh is called “the God of Israel.”

Muslims claim that the Bible was corrupted by later revisions. However, the Bible’s thousands of manuscripts, historical and prophetic accuracy, and the intricate integration of themes from Genesis to Revelation (none of which the Qur’an can boast!) reduce such a claim to nonsense. Furthermore, the Qur’an itself supports what the Bible says concerning Israel’s claim to the Promised Land:

“We made a covenant of old with the Children of Israel” (Surah 5:70); “We brought the children of Israel across the [Red] sea, and Pharaoh with his hosts pursued them...” (10:91). “…[B]ut we drowned him and those with him all together. And we said unto the Children of Israel...dwell in the land [and] hereafter...we shall bring you...out of various nations” (17:103, 104); “[W]e delivered the children of Israel... from Pharaoh....We chose them, purposely, above all creatures” (44:30-32); “favored them above all peoples” (45:16); “Remember Allah’s favor to you...He...gave you what he gave no other of his creatures. O my people, go into the Holy Land which Allah hath ordained for you” (95:20, 21); etc.

The territory God gave to Abram (later renamed Abraham by God) and to his descend-ants was not “Palestine,” but Canaan: “Into the land of Canaan they came” (Gen:12:5, 6). There were no “Palestinians” from whom those who take that name today claim to be descended: “the Canaanite and Perizzite dwelled then in the land” (13:7).

Abram remained there the rest of his life: “...Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan” (13:12). God told him, “For all the land...to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever” (13:15); “...all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession” (Gen:17:8).

Abram settled in Hebron in Canaan and “built there an altar to the LORD [Yahweh]” (13:18)—not to Allah. Ten years later, Ishmael (the product of Abraham’s and Sarah’s unbelief) was born to him through Sarah’s maid, Hagar. Fourteen years later, when Abraham was 100 years old and Sarah 90, Isaac was born in Hebron to Abraham by his wife Sarah, exactly as God had promised.

Thirty-seven years later, at the age of 127, Sarah died. Abraham was still living in Hebron, having been there more than 70 years. To bury Sarah, he bought the cave of Machpelah from Ephron the Hittite (23:1-20).

Thirty-eight years later, at the age of 175, Abraham died. Isaac and Ishmael buried him in Machpelah next to Sarah. Isaac lived in Hebron 110 more years. Isaac, Rebekah, Jacob, and Leah were also buried in the cave of Machpelah.

Abraham had entered Canaan 400 years after the flood and 300 years after the Tower of Babel. It was sparsely settled, the land was his for the taking, and he, Isaac, Jacob, and their families, lived there more than 300 years before temporarily moving to Egypt to escape a famine. There, for 400 years they were slaves, just as God had said, until the Canaanites became so wicked that He was forced to destroy them. God used Israel for that task, giving them Canaan as an everlasting heritage (Gn 15:13-16), as He had promised.

God referred to Isaac as Abraham’s “only son” (Gen:22:2). Thus Ishmael was not buried in Machpelah, but where he had settled far away, having “died in the presence of all his brethren” (Gen:25:17, 18). No Arab or Muslim was ever buried in Machpelah.

Arabs can’t claim a pure descent from Ishmael. Ishmaelites intermarried with Midianites (Judg 8:5,12,22,24), Edomites (Gen:28:9), and Hittites (26:34; 36:1-4). In contrast, during 400 years as slaves in Egypt, the Israelites became an identifiable ethnic people who were led en masse into Canaan. We know who they are today.

Denying Israel’s God-given heritage, Yitzak Rabin, who had secretly promised Clinton he would give up the Golan, declared, “The Bible is not a geography book.” Shortly thereafter, he was assassinated, preventing him from giving to Syria the most strategically vital part of Israel.

It was not Arabs but Hebrews who settled in ancient Hebron and all of Canaan, creating Israel, whose kings ruled from Jerusalem over an empire stretching from the Sinai to the Euphrates. Around 600 B.C. they were conquered by the Babylonians and scattered to many nations.

Chased out of their land under God’s judgment in the Babylonian dispersion, and later twice by the Romans, numbers of Jews always returned. This despised people continued living in Israel under the oppressive heel of various occupying foreign invaders for another 2,500 years. On May 14, 1948, Israel declared itself an independent nation once again. The Jews once again possessed their own land, as God had promised—but only that small fraction of it that had been allotted by the UN partition on November 29, 1947.

In contrast, the Arabs never lived in Canaan, but settled in the Arabian Peninsula. Not until the seventh century A.D., through the Islamic invasions, did Arabs come in any significant numbers into the land of Israel, which, in A.D. 135, the Romans had angrily renamed Syria-Palestina, after Israel’s chief enemy, the Philistines.

The so-called Palestinians of today are Arabs whose ancestors came from Arabia. They are a Semitic people, with no relationship either to the Canaanites or the Philistines, who were not Semites. It is a blatant lie that today’s “Palestinians” (who at the same time claim descent from Ishmael) are descended from the original inhabitants of the land of Canaan, which God promised to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their heirs.

David was first crowned king in Hebron and ruled there seven years before moving his throne to Jerusalem. This ancient city has no significance to Arabs/Muslims. Yet they have built a mosque at Machpelah, have forbidden access to Jews, and, at various times in history, have massacred Jews living there. Today Muslims are attempting to force out the few remaining Jews. They claim all of “Palestine” and state that Israelis are occupying land that belongs to them! And this fraud is the foundation for a so-called road map to peace!

President Bush, as a Christian, ought to tremble at God’s solemn warning that He will destroy all who divide His land (Joel:3:2). Yes, His land: “the land shall not be sold [or traded] for ever: for the land is mine” (Lev:25:23)! Quartet, take heed: you are defying the God of Israel and will not escape unpunished!

Those who make “peace” by taking land from Israel, which God gave her, will be destroyed: “[A]ll that burden themselves with it [Jerusalem] shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it” (Zec:12:3).

On September 13, 1993, under the triumphant gaze of a smiling President Clinton, Arafat signed, with Yitzak Rabin, the Oslo Accords on the White House lawn. The ink was scarcely dry when Arafat began publicly apologizing in Arabic to Muslims around the world. In fear for his life (remember Anwar Sadat’s murder by fellow Muslims for making “peace” with Israel), Arafat pleaded that he was only following the example of Muhammad and the Islamic law he established.

In A.D. 628, Muhammad led a few of his followers (recent converts to the new religion of Islam) from Medina back to Mecca, hoping to join thousands of pagan Arabs in the hajj . This annual pilgrimage to the Ka’aba (Islam, incredibly, claims it was built by Abraham and Ishmael!), with its elaborate ceremonies, had been practiced by pagan Arab tribes for centuries before Muhammad was born. He was turned back by the Meccans, but both parties signed a 10-year ceasefire known as the Treaty of Hubaybiya, as part of which Muhammad relinquished his claim to being “the prophet of Allah.”

This treaty allowed Muhammad the next year (A.D. 629) to lead a group of Muslims in the hajj . They joined thousands of “infidel” Arabs in the same pagan ceremonies that their ancestors had practiced for centuries (See TBC Q&A July ‘03 for the rituals).

In 630, Muhammad broke the ceasefire on a pretext and took over Mecca. At first, he allowed pagan Arabs to continue in the hajj , mingling with the new Muslims in the ancient rituals. Then he gave the pagans four months in which to convert to Islam or be killed. Thereafter, no non-Muslims were allowed into Mecca, as is true today.

So it is with Ramadan, which President Bush (like previous U.S. presidents) and other western leaders naively honor as a “holy Muslim holiday.” Beginning with the first sighting of the new moon in the ninth month of the Muslim lunar calendar, Ramadan was celebrated by pagan Arabs in honor of Allah, the moon god, for centuries before Islam. To the hajj and Ramadan, Muhammad added the horror of jihad and commanded Muslims to take over the world. That belief has cost millions of innocent lives and drives terrorism today.

Those promoting the Road Map to Peace are following a history of good intentions on the part of Israel and the West, which invariably have been betrayed by the Arabs/Muslims and have steadily made Israel’s position more untenable. American presidents, one after another, have cajoled Israel into compromise after compromise with Arab/Muslim leaders that could only have been uproarious jokes as far as the latter were concerned. Always, the good intentions of Israel and the West have led only to their further humiliation.

Pursuing their impossible peace initiatives, world leaders defy the God of Israel and of the Bible. As the “heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing [and] the kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed” (Ps:2:1-2

), those with “ears to hear” (Deut 29:4; Eze:12:2; Mat:11:15; 13:9, etc.) detect the terrifying sound of laughter: “He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision” (Ps:2:4).

We are in the late stages of the awesome fulfillment of Bible prophecy, behind which lies the omnipotent hand of God himself: “ I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem...” (Zec:12:2, 3).

That remarkable prophesy is being fulfilled today. Never before in history have all those surrounding Israel been united to destroy her. This significant development in history and Bible prophecy has come about through the rise of Islam.

Bush wants a “democratic, viable” Palestinian state living in peace with Israel, but no democracy exists, or can exist , in a Muslim society. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Bush is trying to create democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq. If that could happen, it would shake the entire Muslim world. Islam cannot survive in freedom. No wonder there is such fanatical opposition from Muslims worldwide, even for the capture of that sadistic mass torturer and murderer, Saddam Hussein. Muslims hold 80 percent of the world’s political prisoners.

America’s precipitous withdrawal from Lebanon 20 years ago, fleeing from known Syrian/Iranian-sponsored terrorists instead of pursuing them, encouraged the terrorism rampant today worldwide. Can Bush really, with terrorist partners, stand up against the evil of terrorism? When will he admit that it is endemic to Islam? Will the strategic (politically correct?) time ever come for telling the truth? It remains to be seen whether the U.S.can eliminate terrorism, when our State Department secretly opposes Israel and favors Arabs.

The Bible foretells a false peace, by which Antichrist will “destroy many” (Dan:8:24,25). Tragically, Israel will be deceived, tear down the security wall now being built, and drop its guard, opening the door to “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer:30:7) and Armageddon (Eze:38:11,12,14,16). Two-thirds of all Jews worldwide will be killed (Zec:13:8,9). Those who survive will believe in Christ and be saved when He rescues them and they recognize the crucified, resurrected Lord as their Messiah and God (Zec:12:10; Mat:24:13; Rom:11:25,26).

We must not abandon Afghanistan or Iraq. I receive letters from missionaries there who say, “The minute the American and British troops pull out, we are dead!” It is time for Christians to pray as never before—and to do all they can to bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to both Muslims and Jews. TBC


23 posted on 04/17/2013 1:55:00 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: RaceBannon

I posted two videos (yes, the show is usually very awful) but they had great graphics of pictures around New York.

Hope folks have a chance to watch the two videos I posted in the thread.


24 posted on 04/17/2013 1:56:19 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Jim Robinson

Churchill love is fetishistic among conservatives, for whatever reason, but Chamberlain wad right. What was it Churchill was interested in? Preserving the Balance of Power, maintaining the empire, and keeping his country’s economy from collapsing and going full socialist. What did WWII gain him? Nothing. He lost on all three points: the European continent—and the world, for that matter—were to be dominated by the US and USSR, Britain’s foreign policy would be dictated by the US, the empire was lost, a mountain of debt was incurred, and the Beveridge Report Welfare State began.

Not only was the balance of power shifted in Russia’s favor, but the Brits helped push it over to their side. They weren’t merely culpable for standingly iidly by; they were complicity in commie evil. They materially helped it.


25 posted on 04/17/2013 1:57:06 PM PDT by Tublecane
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you shall surely set a king over you whom the Lord your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. Deuteronomy 17:15


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26 posted on 04/17/2013 2:00:51 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: DJ MacWoW
"you may not set a foreigner over you,
who is not your brother.

Deuteronomy 17:15"


Excellent quote.
27 posted on 04/17/2013 2:03:36 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

Thank you.


28 posted on 04/17/2013 2:09:43 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: F15Eagle

Forget it, Kerry.
The arabs only want more “peaces” of Israel’s land (which Israel can’t, and won’t give them)

you are wasting everybody’s time with this foolishness


29 posted on 04/17/2013 2:13:17 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3009040/posts

Kerry: Year, Two Left For Peace, ‘Or It’s Over’ US Secretary of State sets red line, warns


30 posted on 04/17/2013 2:19:44 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

Jean Fookin Kerry desperate for a Nobel.


31 posted on 04/17/2013 2:37:06 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: F15Eagle

Congress to John Kerry: That’s your job, not ours.


32 posted on 04/17/2013 2:38:19 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: F15Eagle

John you’re behind the times, according to the Nobel committee Mid East peace has been achieved already, multiple times even.


33 posted on 04/17/2013 2:39:30 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: Jim Robinson

You may argue the alternative was unthinkable. Certainly Churchill didn’t think about it, stupidly singleminded as he was. “Their finest hour” is nowadays presented as a stand against conquest, as if a negotiated peace was tantamount to surrender. And not just surrender, but surrender into slavery. What utter nonsense. Prove to me Germany wanted to conquer Western Europe.

Hitler talked about “living room” in the East and had set up the Bolsheviks as beside the Jews his arch enemies since “Mein Kampf.” Nothing of the sort existed for Britain and France, though it was official Nazi policy to redress the grievances of Versailles, and assume its rightful place as preeminent European power. I see no proof they wanted to conquer the world, as most seem to assume.

Germany had a claim on Czechoslovakian land according to the Versailles principles of ethic self-determination in which Western powers pretended to believe. They also had a claim on Danzig, though not the “Polish corridor” seperating it from Prussia. Invading Poland was an act of baked aggression, but France and Britain were hardly justified in going after Germany but not Russia, which came in from the other side simultaneously. Except that geography made direct intervention there impossible.

There are no factors mitigating Germany’s invasion of Russia and other Eastern European countries, nor for its declaration if war on the US. But to backtrack from them to the war against France and Britain, and to pretend it was all of a piece within Germany’s secret plot to monopolize the globe is irresponsible. France and Britain went to war at a time of their own choosing, officially to bailout an ally—or half-bailout, since the side sinking into the Soviet empire was on its own—though really in a quixotic attempt to preserve forever the balance of power as it stood in 1918.

Churchill said Chamberlain traded honor for peace. Of course, his sense of honor isn’t everyone’s. Honor to him was more than Victorian; it was Britannia ruling the waves and the continent licking its boots. But you don’t get that merely by stamping your feet, throwing a fit, and pouting for it. He knew at the time the US would have to jump in, as it did in 1917. But he could pass that off as not losing honor, even though Britannia would no longer be autonomous over its own foreign policy, because of the fiction that is “the English speaking world” and the Anglo-American Alliance. Not to say no such thing existed. More than anything else our foreign policy in the 20th century was guided by believing ours and Britain’s, ir later free Europe’s, destinies were united.

That’s not to mention they’d have to lick Stalin’s boots, which Churchill seems not to have considered. I find it the height of irony that immediately following settlement of WWII we frantically tried to reestablish our main enemies, Germany and Japan, as bullworks against our erstwhile allies, the commies. What was the point of getting them out of the way in the first place, if we’d need them immediately afterwards again? Was it honorable to trade Hitler for Stalin. I’m at a loss as to what was gained. Unless you believe in the myth that not going to war in ‘39 was tantamount to selling yourself into slavery. That’s the only way it makes sense. It isn’t very hard to pretend the “their finest hour” speech isn’t rank nonsense. It’s so poetic, so Tennysonian.

Chamberlain was anything but poetic. Maybe his way was suicide, but maybe it would’ve worked. We can’t say Churchill’s worked, since we know it failed. And there isn’t any way I can figure it working, though there are correctable mistakes made obvious by hindsight. Chamberlain’s way might not have ended in loss of autonomy, loss of empire, massive debt, socialism, complicity in evil, etc. At least we can say that about it.


34 posted on 04/17/2013 2:41:11 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Screw you. Keep it up we part company.


35 posted on 04/17/2013 2:44:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: F15Eagle

What is the trap, by the way. I’m always confused about the steps. It goes:

1. We strike a false peace bargain or otherwise disengage
2. Iran, some coalition of Islamic states, or all of Islam together, somehow, strikes at Israel
3. ?
4. The US is doomed

I’m not in the habit of thinking of Israel and our national security being one, so help me out. How does Israel being overrun, ceasing to exist, directly threaten us? Not that I want that to happen. They are our allies, and I wish the best for them. But their borders aren’t ours, and I can’t make out how them being their or not makes a difference to the integrity of our country.

None of it makes sense unless I think of it religiously, which I won’t do, or imperialistically. There’s the rub. That’s what stands behind neoconservatism, a way of looking at the world as the Romans or Victorian Brits did, which is “conservative” by virtue of being less leftist than one world socialist universal brotherhood.

I simply can’t think like that. I know it glgas something to do with oil prices, the West’s foothold in the region—because for some reason we need a “presence” everywhere—and the fact that countries dominated by Islam are somehow outside the modern consensus. This is bad, the entire globe not quite thinking the same things, everywhere and all at once. It is supposedly what causes terrorism: our not controlling their minds.

Couldn’t be our very presence pudding them off; couldn’t be us occupying parts of their region, fighting various wars, moving their borders like pieces on a chessboard. Wh in their right mind would complain about that? Except us, endlessly, if they tried one one-hundredth of the intervention over here which we do routinely everywhere in the world.


36 posted on 04/17/2013 2:59:14 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

bye


37 posted on 04/17/2013 3:03:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Tublecane

“so help me out.”

Sorry, looks like you’re gone but I will provide the information, regardless, since I’m sure you can still see the thread.

1) First of all, ALL Bible Prophecy will be fulfilled as written. That is for certain. It will neither be hastened nor delayed.

2) Somehow, one way or another, the world WILL divide Israel, it will be a false peace, that appears to work for 1,260 days (first 1/2 of the Tribulation period), just as the Bible predicts.

3) The world will somehow, in their blindness, take the world to that point. It will involve, no doubt, political leaders, “spiritual” leaders, etc. The man who provides that “peace” WILL BE the Antichrist. Daniel 11.

4) Eventually the Antichrist will reveal himself as a false messiah, at the midpoint of the Tribulation (Epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians). Israel will rebel at the Abomination that Causes Desolation (Daniel 8, 9, 11, 12, Jesus in the Gospels). 2/3 of Israel will die during this time (Zechariah 13).

5) The whole world will unite to destroy Israel, no doubt led by the Antichrist (Revelation 16, Zechariah 12:1-3). It will be ALL nations as stated in Zech. 12).

6) Jesus Christ will return to save the remaining 1/3 of Israel and what few surviving Tribulation Saints may remain (Zechariah 14:1-5, Revelation 19).

7) Antichrist and False Prophet thrown into the Lake of Fire at Second Coming (Revelation 19).

8) Satan is bound for 1,000 years (Revelation 20 if memory serves).

9) After 1,000 years, the Millennial Reign of Christ, Satan is once again turned loose. After defeated yet again, Satan is thrown into the Lake of Fire, along with Death and Hades (Hell sometime). Yes, Hades is thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is about Revelation 21, again if memory serves).

Hope that helps. FReegards.


38 posted on 04/17/2013 3:25:33 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Tublecane

Oh and yes, Iran does attempt an attack on Israel in the Last Years and the Last Days (Latter Years, Latter Days, Ezekiel 38:8 and 16 in the KJV). Libya will join in this attack (Put or Phut), and many of us believe Turkey and Russia will be in. Give the current political environment and events, this is pretty easy to believe.

There is a lot of debate on how this is timed with the Tribulation. Since we can see it on the horizon, we must be near the Last Days.


39 posted on 04/17/2013 3:28:56 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: NonValueAdded

True.

After all lets pass the buck ... to Congress. Cause they are so good at legislating problem away. And the Middle East will listen to them. (Hahahahah)

Kerry is another dimwitted, no plan, pass the buck, feign innocence at being ignorant Politician.


40 posted on 04/17/2013 4:06:30 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: F15Eagle

s/b Turkey and Russia will be involved.


41 posted on 04/17/2013 4:35:21 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

“The Obama administration is “trying to find out what is possible,” Kerry told the House foreign affairs committee, as he laid out the State Department’s priorities for the 2014 budget.

He stressed he had no plan so far to lay out before Congress “because we’re in the process of working that out with the critical parties.”

I don’t know what the hell I’m doing. It’s not even my country, but I’m sticking my nose in like all my predecessors did. But it’s urgent. I jumped on a plane a few times and farted around in other countries. That proves I’m committed (or should be). Give me lots of money, or something or other. Do you know who I am? I’ll be on my yacht. Pass the ketchup.

I thought Peres was incoherent.


42 posted on 04/17/2013 5:11:22 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks F15Eagle.


43 posted on 04/17/2013 6:02:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: F15Eagle

bookmarked/bump,,,,2001,2008,2015,,,hmmmm


44 posted on 04/17/2013 6:40:31 PM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Jim Robinson

45 posted on 04/17/2013 8:14:54 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: F15Eagle
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middle-east/2013/04/08/kerry-makes-new-ambitious-mideast-peace-push/FwrsN56nxD2R3mqMq9rXXJ/story.html

The 2002 initiative that Kerry wants to revive parts of would have provided Israel recognition throughout the Arab world in exchange for a pullout from territory conquered in 1967.

How does carving up Israel's borders provide 'peace' exactly Mr. Heinz? Go sell your Bull to the Saudis who may be buying it.

46 posted on 04/17/2013 10:41:05 PM PDT by 444Flyer
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To: Tublecane

LOL - yea you are real smart!


47 posted on 04/18/2013 12:58:43 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Tublecane
Couldn’t be our very presence pudding them off;
I love pudding. L-O-V-E IT.
And a Great ZOT!

You were attacking Churchill and defending Chamberlain - now I know what the mentality at the absolute depths of human ignorance is like.
Thanks for that, I suppose.

Excuse me, pudding time. :)

48 posted on 04/18/2013 2:13:04 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Tublecane; Berlin_Freeper; Jim Thompson; humblegunner; darkwing104; 50mm; Arrowhead1952; LUV W; ...

So long, Tublecane (Posting History)
Hat Tip to Berlin_Freeper
Quisling troll defies Mr. Thompson and gets flung to the Viking Kitties by The Man Himself



Your arrogance was your defeat - and don't come back



FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

49 posted on 04/18/2013 2:54:25 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady; Tublecane

LOL - Excellent Nuke of an arrogant ignorant ultra Liberal Troll!
Thank you dear sweet TOL! ;)


50 posted on 04/18/2013 3:06:47 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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