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With Many Positions to Fill, Employers Wait for Perfection
New York Times ^ | 03/06/2013 | By CATHERINE RAMPELL

Posted on 04/18/2013 6:44:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

American employers have a variety of job vacancies, piles of cash and countless well-qualified candidates. But despite a slowly improving economy, many companies remain reluctant to actually hire, stringing job applicants along for weeks or months before they make a decision.

If they ever do.

The number of job openings has increased to levels not seen since the height of the financial crisis, but vacancies are staying unfilled much longer than they used to — an average of 23 business days today compared to a low of 15 in mid-2009, according to a new measure of Labor Department data by the economists Steven J. Davis, Jason Faberman and John Haltiwanger.

Some have attributed the more extended process to a mismatch between the requirements of the four million jobs available and the skills held by many of the 12 million unemployed. That’s probably true in a few high-skilled fields, like nursing or biotech, but for a large majority of positions where candidates are plentiful, the bigger problem seems to be a sort of hiring paralysis.

“There’s a fear that the economy is going to go down again, so the message you get from C.F.O.’s is to be careful about hiring someone,” said John Sullivan, a management professor at San Francisco State University who runs a human resources consulting business. “There’s this great fear of making a mistake, of wasting money in a tight economy.”

As a result, employers are bringing in large numbers of candidates for interview after interview after interview. Data from Glassdoor.com, a site that collects information on hiring at different companies, shows that the average duration of the interview process at major companies like Starbucks, General Mills and Southwest Airlines has roughly doubled since 2010.

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“After they call you back after the sixth interview, there’s a part of you that wants to say, ‘That’s it, I’m not going back,’ ” said Paul Sullivan, 43, an exasperated but cheerful video editor in Washington. “But then you think, hey, maybe seven is my lucky number. And besides, if I don’t go, they’ll just eliminate me if something else comes up because they’ll think I have an attitude problem.”
1 posted on 04/18/2013 6:44:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Paul Sullivan, a video editor, has been invited for numerous interviews from the same company, but has not been offered the job.
2 posted on 04/18/2013 6:45:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“There are 3 million jobs available in America that are not filled because too many of our people don’t have the skills for those jobs.”

— Marco Rubio on Thursday, March 14th, 2013 in a speech at the conservative CPAC conference

SEE HERE:

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/mar/14/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-3-million-jobs-unfilled-due-lack-/


3 posted on 04/18/2013 6:46:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If they really needed somebody, they’d pay high, get the best guy they could get, and work with him to improve his skills.

But in fact, most places are diddling around, counting the savings every month that they’re getting from all the unfilled positions.


4 posted on 04/18/2013 6:50:21 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: SeekAndFind

Well clearly then Obama and the government should force these companies to hire people in a specified time and manner. /sarc


5 posted on 04/18/2013 6:50:39 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
NYT - hilarious.

All those employers are just being unreasonable.

6 posted on 04/18/2013 6:52:32 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: proxy_user
You got it! Plus, with Obamacare and everyone who loses a job's screaming, “Discrimination!”, employers are hesitant to add people they may not be able to afford and would have a tough time letting go if business turns south.
7 posted on 04/18/2013 6:53:01 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: SeekAndFind

HA! How many staffers has The New York Slimes laid off lately? Obviously one fewer than it should have.


8 posted on 04/18/2013 6:53:09 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind
“There’s a fear that the economy is going to go down again,

Every now and then the NYTimes stumbles over the truth.

9 posted on 04/18/2013 6:54:22 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My company recently placed a job posting for a writing position. We got 1200 applicants!

It’s definitely a tough job market out there. I suppose even more so for those who had endeavors to be journalists.


10 posted on 04/18/2013 6:55:08 AM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting link. Rubio is turning out to be quite a huckster.


11 posted on 04/18/2013 6:55:17 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind
“But then you think, hey, maybe seven is my lucky number. And besides, if I don’t go, they’ll just eliminate me if something else comes up because they’ll think I have an attitude problem.”

If he actually knows his stuff, they are probably using him to get free information on how to do things.

12 posted on 04/18/2013 6:55:39 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Glad to hear the economy is improving.

Oh, wait. This just in....Investing.com: Initial Jobless Claims Rises to 352,000

13 posted on 04/18/2013 6:56:50 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a interesting post because the lib/Keysian Krugman view is that ‘demand’ which comes from ‘free’ money inserted into the economy forces employers to hire.

Sounds like its not working as planned.


14 posted on 04/18/2013 6:57:20 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Job Openings trend:


15 posted on 04/18/2013 6:57:26 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: skeeter
NYT trying as hard as they can to keep floating this corrupt administration.

But despite a slowly improving economy,...

Yeah, I suppose if you keep repeating this canard over and over again the dumb liberals in NY will believe it, huh?

The reality is that the economy is a powder keg just waiting to blow. We have $16 trillion in national debt and Helicopter Ben keeps printing money at billions per month! At some near term point the interest rates will go up and that's when the candle will be lit.

16 posted on 04/18/2013 6:57:47 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: SeekAndFind

From how I see it - one man’s perspective - in my field the skill set we would need for a technical position in my company - are pretty daunting indeed. Obviously there is the sort of nature vs. nurture argument - which is more or less “can they hit the ground running or are they going to take 6-12 months to get up to speed or are they the type of individual that wouldn’t get there in 100 years?”.

The “hit the ground running” guy or gal will be typically snapped up in a heartbeat. But there just aren’t too many of that sort.

So you’re left with trying to decide if the candidate is an “up to speed in 6-12 months” or are they more the type that rode the short bus to school.

And that distinction isn’t all that easy to make based on a two page resume and a bunch of technical interviews.


17 posted on 04/18/2013 6:59:00 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Texas Eagle
Number of job openings has been improving since late 2009 and Initial Claims is back into very "normal" territory:


18 posted on 04/18/2013 6:59:16 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind
After they call you back after the sixth interview"

I've gone through the hiring process many a time.

In the tech world, current dogma is to get a "screening interview", always over the phone. Sometimes it's with an HR weenie, sometimes it's with someone more tech savvy. These rarely last more than a few minutes, they're just to weed out real undesirables.

If you get called back for a second interview, these are almost always onsite. There may be several of them, all scheduled for the same morning - HR, meet the boss, meet the team, maybe meet higher ups. This can take 1/2 day or more. Usually at least a couple of hours.

*Very* infrequently, you might get called back for a 3rd round. Every time this has happened to me, it's because someone who wanted to talk to me, wasn't available for Round #2.

That's it. Company either makes the offer, or not.

If a company called me back 6 times, I'd think that they didn't have their act together, and would doubt I'd want to work there.

However....if I was unemployed....why the heck not? Keep at it....Number 7 is the charm. Meanwhile, it's always good practice to interview.

19 posted on 04/18/2013 6:59:25 AM PDT by wbill
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To: SeekAndFind

ObamaCare: Job Killer


20 posted on 04/18/2013 7:00:35 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: SeekAndFind
“There are 3 million jobs available in America that are not filled because too many of our people don’t have the skills for those jobs.”

Correct as far as it goes. In engineering these days, the rule rather than the exception is because they want to hire one guy instead of three. If you're that hiring manager's version of a 22-year-old girl's future husband, the job pays $100K+; if not, look elsewhere because there's nothing at $60K even offered.

21 posted on 04/18/2013 7:01:26 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: penelopesire

The old draft board could become the ‘job board’!

Everything is ready to go!

Not certain about the old bend over and cough routine? Tie it in to zerocare.


22 posted on 04/18/2013 7:02:36 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: SeekAndFind

23 posted on 04/18/2013 7:04:03 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Moonman62

Good one. This is how a lot of engineering companies do a lot of “field work” into patents. “How would you do something like this?” is invariably either something that they have already decided is patentable, or something that’s been stumping them.


24 posted on 04/18/2013 7:04:10 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: SeekAndFind

Geez...their prime example of how indecisive employers are in offering jobs claims he spent $520 in parking fees, two parking tickets and “numerous expenses at StarBucks and the lie. Can anybody say entitlement? Nevermind if this person was adept at tax preparation, he’d find that some of these expenses can be deducted. Likely he’s not experienced with that sort of thing.

Give me a frigging break! To be honest, there is an awful lot of angst by employers in the economy (they must not believe the ObamaPropaganda), mismatch between available applicants and job descriptions. But to be completely thorough in a treatise on the ‘problem’ as stated by this NYT shill, one would have to at least consider some impact by the coming ObamaCare (AFA) regulations and costs - one of the many new employer government regulation and tax impacts.

Of course it’s an employer’s market! What car buyer wouldn’t LOVE to come up on a dealer that hadn’t sold a car in six months, huh? Get the best for the least.

Mr. Sullivan obviously has some champion in the company that keeps urging the powers that be to ‘check him out again’.....my guess is that it’s someone like him.

Poor writing in this piece, poor background research, and a piss poor story. Nothing here but ‘blame it on anybody but the victim’ liberal puff.


25 posted on 04/18/2013 7:04:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Obadiah

Slowly improving? GDP has been hovering around 1% for quite awhile now.


26 posted on 04/18/2013 7:06:07 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

This story is ironic because most companies are less than desirable and the people are no better themselves. The fact they are being picky is just plain silly. I think candidates could say, “Don’t be picky, I wasn’t.”


27 posted on 04/18/2013 7:08:23 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have never been in a situation where I had 6 interviews for the same opening. That’s just ridiculous. What a waste of time!


28 posted on 04/18/2013 7:09:14 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SeekAndFind

““There are 3 million jobs available in America that are not filled because too many of our people don’t have the skills for those jobs.””

I question the skills of the people already working who are dead-set against hiring anyone who might make them look bad.


29 posted on 04/18/2013 7:09:38 AM PDT by equaviator
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Haha!! Have to laugh or we will cry, right?


30 posted on 04/18/2013 7:11:17 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since government spending is a component of GDP, and the current deficit is +/- $1 Trillion annually ongoing, it looks like the “growth” being crowed about is strictly a matter of government overspending. Take away the continuing obama deficits in excess of those run by Bush43, and what is the growth rate of the private economy?


31 posted on 04/18/2013 7:12:05 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: SeekAndFind

Believe me I know its tough out there, but unless the position was an executive level with mutiple hundreds of k to 7 figure salaries, 3 is the max interviews I’m doing. Generally its 2, but that’s fairly standard.. a non techinical and then a technical. I will give a 3rd if I am intrigued by the position enough... They ask for a 4th and it isn’t a situation as stated above, I have no desire to work for company. By that point you have evaluated me, and are just wasting time.

If you haven’t been able to evaluate me with 3 interviews your organization is so fundamentally flawed and unorganized I don’t want to work for you.


32 posted on 04/18/2013 7:13:02 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: proxy_user

Not exactly true.
1. You have to weed through the hundreds of applicants who are only applying to keep benefits going.
2. Training is expensive.
3. Finding and choosing the best out of thousands of applicants.
4. Business needs change fast, especially with economic uncertainty and up level executives are constantly changing requirements.
5. Recruiting and interviewing costs a lot and we would prefer to have it be done with quickly.

six interviews for skilled positions is not unusual, especially with high profile companies. It is the weeding process.


33 posted on 04/18/2013 7:15:42 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: MNDude
My company recently placed a job posting for a writing position. We got 1200 applicants!

If your hiring experience is anything like mine, you're lucky if 10% of applicants have a few skills that match the job. The remaining 90% are just throwing something at the wall to see if it sticks.

34 posted on 04/18/2013 7:16:29 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: SeekAndFind

Slowly improving economy?


35 posted on 04/18/2013 7:19:12 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: MNDude

Saw a project manager position within the org recently, $80k starting. 2500+ applicants. Still open after at least four months being posted.


36 posted on 04/18/2013 7:20:09 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: proxy_user
"But in fact, most places are diddling around, counting the savings every month that they’re getting from all the unfilled positions."

This. A Six Sigma laborscrew coming and going...

37 posted on 04/18/2013 7:20:33 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Own it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“It’s all the fault of those greedy selfish employers” propaganda bump....


38 posted on 04/18/2013 7:24:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah. Unless you’re an affirmative action hire. Then perfection is not what they’re looking for.


39 posted on 04/18/2013 7:24:36 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: Obadiah
"At some near term point the interest rates will go up and that's when the candle will be lit."

This is my pet theory on why Romney wasn't allowed in. Because the oligarchs feared his immediate growth policies would have triggered hyperinflation.

"And you know how them dorkligarchs hate hyperinflation! Makes them corn dogs more expensive!"

40 posted on 04/18/2013 7:26:27 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Own it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s obamacare plain and simple.


41 posted on 04/18/2013 7:56:35 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: SeekAndFind

OMG. how deluded. nowhere in that article (that I saw, but I didn’t manage to wretch my way completely through it) did they mention the terror that obamacare has wrought on the business community.

no one knows what the expense of an FTE is going to be next year, so OF COURSE hiring managers are being extraordinarily careful about adding employees.

that’s just ridiculous.


42 posted on 04/18/2013 7:58:22 AM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: SeekAndFind

OMG. how deluded. nowhere in that article (that I saw, but I didn’t manage to wretch my way completely through it) did they mention the terror that obamacare has wrought on the business community.

no one knows what the expense of an FTE is going to be next year, so OF COURSE hiring managers are being extraordinarily careful about adding employees.

that’s just ridiculous.


43 posted on 04/18/2013 7:58:30 AM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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But in fact, most places are diddling around, counting the savings every month that they’re getting from all the unfilled positions

I tend to agree. It’s almost as if they take enough time, they can just say- ‘see, we went all that time without the position filled and we survived, so let’s just eliminate it.’ I also think companies unwillingness to want to spend any money/time training is a little ridiculous. I don’t care what kind of skills you have, when you start with a new company, you have to be trained for that company. They waste more time and money fooling around with the interview process than if they would just take a good candidate and invest a little bit in them.


44 posted on 04/18/2013 8:05:36 AM PDT by usmom
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To: Moonman62

“Every now and then the NYTimes stumbles over the truth. “

More likely the truth gets accidentally published because it slipped by due to poor oversight by lazy editors.


45 posted on 04/18/2013 8:15:15 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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But in fact, most places are diddling around, counting the savings every month that they’re getting from all the unfilled positions.

So, you agree with NYT that employers are evil? That is the tone of the article. You seem to be saying evil employers are simply being skinflints to inflate the bottom line at the cost of throwing innocent children in the street.

NYT and the rest of the enemedia outlets are doing their best to ignore people like Senator Max Baucus (D-MT), who said small businesses are frozen in their hiring because Obastardcare is a giant unknown in their staffing cost center.

46 posted on 04/18/2013 8:25:32 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: HamiltonJay
If you haven’t been able to evaluate me with 3 interviews your organization is so fundamentally flawed and unorganized I don’t want to work for you.

It's common at Apple for a potential hire to have to go through at least 7, and up to 11 interview appointments for senior tech positions, spread out over weeks.

47 posted on 04/18/2013 8:39:43 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: wbill

“If a company called me back 6 times, I’d think that they didn’t have their act together, and would doubt I’d want to work there.”

I agree. When we post an ad, there is absolutely no way we would want an applicant come back for even a 3rd time on most cases. It just shows the company is disorganized, indecisive and inept.

The only important question we ask them, really is: “what do you think of Obama?”. If they go into full libtard drool mode, we kick them out and go to the next interview...


48 posted on 04/18/2013 8:40:39 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: max americana
what do you think of Obama

Hmmmmm. You hiring?

49 posted on 04/18/2013 8:56:36 AM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill

We did. Wished there was an FR job bank or job section for each city so only like-minded people will be considered and hired. IMHO, I’ve been thinking of e-mailing Jim to consider it..


50 posted on 04/18/2013 9:01:03 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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