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We Win. They Lose. The 2nd Amendment is Safe.
Red State ^ | 4/17/2013 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 04/18/2013 7:20:41 AM PDT by IbJensen

Today in the Senate, a funny thing happened.

We fought on principle, and we won on principle. You know why?

Because 3 U.S. Senators didn’t listen to the “do something” caucus and the hand-wringers parading as leaders in Washington. Instead, Senators Cruz, Lee and Paul circulated a warning prior to the last recess saying they would (gasp) filibuster any legislation that would undermine our God-given, fundamental right to bear arms. It just so happens that this God-given right is enshrined in the Constitution.

We have a play book, ladies and gentleman: fight and win.

Thankfully these fresh faces in the Senate get it.

You know who else gets it? The Gun Owners of America. From the beginning, GOA was standing up tall to defend the Second Amendment on principle – not in a game of political gamesmanship and endorsements of Democrats. They were crystal clear the whole time and led other groups, some of whom get more attention and prominence in the debate, in their direction.

Heritage Action for America also gets a lot of credit for moral clarity and fearlessness at the very beginning of the debate. Their willingness to stand with Senators Cruz, Lee, and Paul at the very beginning helped tremendously.

Today, in Britain, Lady Thatcher’s devotion to public service and dedication to liberty was celebrated… not that anyone in the Obama administration noticed. The Prime Minister was tenacious and knew how to fight. She would often say “First you win the argument, then you win the vote.” Not particularly difficult to say – but sure seems difficult for most politicians to carry out.

But kudos to Senators Cruz, Lee and Paul for being willing to provide leadership where there has been none.

Now – on to Immigration.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; buyabidenshotgun; evilobamaregime; guncontrol; liars; obamabitesthedust; secondamendment
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President Obama angrily blamed the defeat Wednesday of his centerpiece gun-control proposal on lies spread by the National Rifle Association, calling it “a pretty shameful day for Washington.”

The shameful day was the day he was sworn in as president for a second term!

“The gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill,” Mr. Obama said in the White House rose garden about 90 minutes after the vote. “It came down to politics.”

This is not leadership. This is the reaction of a petulant child, every rock removed from his path through late mid-life, who is confronted, finally, with the reality that not everything he wishes will be made so. And so those who oppose him are 'shameful'. They 'willfully lied'.

How, exactly, do we find any middle ground? I for one do not believe in bi-partisanship with this gang of evil misfits.

1 posted on 04/18/2013 7:20:41 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: All

Check out this lying, phony asshat emoting over his deserved defeat:

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/04/18/obama-calls-2nd-amendment-supporters-liars-vows-to-defeat-them/?subscriber=1


2 posted on 04/18/2013 7:24:46 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

Double agree!


3 posted on 04/18/2013 7:24:55 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: IbJensen

Sorry Barry, you can try to demonize the NRA or any other group if you feel that’s what you need to do. This was about our rights explicitly stated in a certain document a law professor should have some familiarity with.


4 posted on 04/18/2013 7:24:57 AM PDT by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: IbJensen

Individual liberty is never “safe”.

The left and their ideological “father” never rest.


5 posted on 04/18/2013 7:25:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: IbJensen

I would have loved to have seen the CCW reciprocity amendment get a few more votes and pass. That would have been nice.


6 posted on 04/18/2013 7:26:12 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: IbJensen
We Win. They Lose. The 2nd Amendment is Safe.

This is a lie, we already have the NFA and GCA infringing on the 2nd -- to the point they have become 'normalized' in the eyes of the citizenry.

7 posted on 04/18/2013 7:27:53 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: IbJensen

They still have to vote on the actual bill, right?


8 posted on 04/18/2013 7:28:45 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: MrB
Individual liberty is never “safe”.

The left and their ideological “father” never rest.

Indeed. Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty. They will be back like some re-animating sci-fi monster.

9 posted on 04/18/2013 7:33:59 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: IbJensen

“We Win. They Lose. The 2nd Amendment is Safe.”

For the moment


10 posted on 04/18/2013 7:34:23 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: IbJensen

Don’t forget that disarming Amercians is also part of the world agenda. Even though the Arms Treaty will not be retified by the senate, they wanted to get some of its provisions enacted into American law. Too bad, oh too bad!!


11 posted on 04/18/2013 7:36:42 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Paine in the Neck

They may look like they’re defeated, but they’re just marching backward:

http://www.schwarzreport.org/resources/you-can-trust-the-communists-to-be-communists/chapter-10-the-difficult-devious-and-dangerous-dialectic


12 posted on 04/18/2013 7:37:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Truth2012

Yes, the underlying bill is still under debate. There are two more amendments to be voted on today. Beyond that, I don’t know what these back-room schemers have in mind for action on the bill.


13 posted on 04/18/2013 7:41:12 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: IbJensen

Bookmark and bttt.


14 posted on 04/18/2013 7:43:24 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Leftists favorite Mass Murderer: Kermit Gosnell)
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Freepers, your Contributions make every difference!
Please keep ‘em coming! Thank you all very much!

15 posted on 04/18/2013 7:43:49 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: IbJensen

Take a look at the voting roles.

Reid voted against it.

Why did he do that?

Senate rules allow him to bring it back at any time.

It will be important to keep vigilant. He may be trying to wait until he can slip it.


16 posted on 04/18/2013 7:47:14 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: IbJensen
"...90% of Americans agreed with." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

What a lying POS this tool is.

17 posted on 04/18/2013 7:48:13 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: IbJensen

If anyone has a doubt why we need (so-called) assault rifles and 30 round magazines, take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbuGEYg7CC8&feature=youtu.be

Colin Flaherty writes for WND, and is the only person I know who has consistently reported on the increasingly violent feral black population that are just begging to be exterminated.


18 posted on 04/18/2013 7:50:20 AM PDT by patriotsblood
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To: IbJensen

Time to follow through, let your senators who voted to beat the beast know how much you appreciate their stance, not just your senator but all of them, both Democrats and Republicans, this is not going away, in the words of the terminator “I’ll be boack”!

For those who fed the beast, let them know, their days are numbered.

Time for reinforcement, time to strengthen allies, time to build positions, time to advance and take the country back, seize the momentum.


19 posted on 04/18/2013 7:51:19 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: IbJensen

GOOD! Now can we please settle down... let the manufacturers catch up... let the store shelves refill... and let me FINALLY BUY SOME AMMO!


20 posted on 04/18/2013 7:51:20 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: IbJensen

Barry did everything except roll on the floor and kick his feet. What a tool.


21 posted on 04/18/2013 7:52:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: IbJensen

But don’t we still have to deal with the bare bill?


22 posted on 04/18/2013 7:52:36 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Now we need this Imigration Amnesty Bill killed!


23 posted on 04/18/2013 7:57:24 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Now we need this Imigration Amnesty Bill killed!


24 posted on 04/18/2013 7:57:32 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Now I’m confused - what’s the bare bill?

I’ve seen this characterized as a defeat of a bill, but was it just an amendment?

The press never fails to explain the processes well.


25 posted on 04/18/2013 7:58:56 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: IbJensen

There are two more gun votes and they start in two minutes, at 11 am central time, 12 eastern time.

We have to win these two votes.


26 posted on 04/18/2013 8:00:18 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: IbJensen

I looked at the clock wrong. The vote is in one hour.


27 posted on 04/18/2013 8:01:53 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: MrB
Agreed. It's a win of only a battle but the left never gives up, even after they get what they want. They will go for more and more and more.

28 posted on 04/18/2013 8:03:02 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: IbJensen
The shameful day was the day he was sworn in as president for a second term!

Every day he's president is shameful. The best thing he's ever said about Democracy is it's messy.

29 posted on 04/18/2013 8:04:23 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: IbJensen

This was just one of a thousand rounds in the bout. No liberty is EVER safe for our “imagined tyranny”.


30 posted on 04/18/2013 8:04:30 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Marcella

At least two votes. Those are two amendments. Then there is the bill, and maybe a cloture vote preceding the bill, and there is no limit on the number of amendments, just on how many can be co-pending.


31 posted on 04/18/2013 8:07:18 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: IbJensen

The medium is the message.

Obama is the medium and the message is “anger”

Remember we are dealing with the low information voter.
The low information voter is defined by the members of the MSM.

Brainless, make-up wearing, teleprompter reading, dolls.

Mika Brezinski is only on MSNBC to wear a sweater that is tight.
Scarboro is just missing his fool costume and hat as the useful idiot “republican”.
CNN are all clones wearing che guevara t-shirts.
FNC has poftas, posers, and prettygirls.
FBC has circus clown imus (howard stern has more substance)

the good reporters are the exception.

however the medium is still Obama. All obama all the time.


32 posted on 04/18/2013 8:15:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Cboldt

we still have the UN international gun control treaty that the senate will vote on. Is has to be affirmativly voted down.


33 posted on 04/18/2013 8:16:21 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: IbJensen

They’ll be back!The Left NEVER GIVES UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


34 posted on 04/18/2013 8:17:15 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: IbJensen

For the moment


35 posted on 04/18/2013 8:17:33 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: IbJensen
They cropped Barney Frank out of this photo:

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36 posted on 04/18/2013 8:21:10 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Cboldt

Yes, two votes. I heard Reid yesterday say two votes today. He didn’t mention any other gun votes but these two votes are amendments so maybe there is another vote after these two amendment votes.


37 posted on 04/18/2013 8:24:37 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
imagined tyranny

I saw that comment... Never mind imagined tyranny, we got the real thing right now, right here in River City.

38 posted on 04/18/2013 8:24:52 AM PDT by wbill
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To: IbJensen

There is no bi-partisanship with this anti-Second Amendment mob, and Erickson is a fool if he thinks this war is over.


39 posted on 04/18/2013 8:27:10 AM PDT by izzatzo (NO MORE BUSHES!)
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To: Marcella
-- ... so maybe there is another vote after these two amendment votes. --

I don't think there will be, today, or even later this week. I just wanted to make the point that even these two votes don't dispose of the underlying bill.

40 posted on 04/18/2013 8:41:25 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: IbJensen

At first I was glad he got pissed- then I began to realize that when narcists get pissed- they also get even because they are NOT gracious losers- the left has proven this for many years- when they lose- they get nasty, vile and vindictive- and hwen a leftist narcisist loses- look out

He was actually shocked that everyoen didn’t agree with him and his bill, then his shock turned to rage- and you coudl see that coming out in him tonight-

He dug his heels in today, and he may just ram through an executive order based on ‘imminent necessity’ just like kkkuomo did in NY-

This bill shoudl have NEVER even gotten to the floor for a vote- the republicans betrayed the American peopel by allowing this unconstitutional bill to even be votred on- the republicans shoudl have REFUSED to even allow it to go to a vote and hsoudl have held presss conferences declarign to hte American peopel that they had our backs in regards to protectign oru constitutional rights, and they shoudl have said “The left is in session right now attemptign to vioalte your second amendment rights, and we will NOT be a party to such treason agaisnt the nation

But of course we all know the right has lost it’s spine and so they agreed to allow this unconstitutional bill to go to a vote- a bill that had NO BUSINESS even beign discussed- The right had a perfect opportunity to put hte left i ntheir place, and they blew it big time and isntead handed the left a victory even though they lost THIS TIME AROUND- because now the left knows they can ram one unconstitutional bill after another through to the floor for a vote without ABNY real opposition, and they know that eventualyl they will falsely shame enough traitorous republicans into votign for their bill


41 posted on 04/18/2013 8:44:46 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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and kudos to the NRA stadnign up for gun owners by immediately comign out and calling the president’s accusatiosn rediculous and a silly knee jerk reaction and pointign otu that several democrats ALSO voted agaisnt the bill

Oh wait- Crickets again-


42 posted on 04/18/2013 8:46:07 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: longtermmemmory

[[we still have the UN international gun control treaty that the senate will vote on]]

Yet ANOTHER UNCONSTITUTIONAL bill broguht before the senate to ote on- A;paprently we no logner care to keep our bills constitutional-


43 posted on 04/18/2013 8:51:08 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

If they follow the schedule, it’s ten minutes until they gather to vote on these two amendments.


44 posted on 04/18/2013 8:52:20 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: CottShop

If they follow the schedule, it’s ten minutes until they gather to vote on these two amendments.


45 posted on 04/18/2013 8:52:40 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: IbJensen
Hmm...so gun control is supported by 90% of the public, is it, Barry? Will that be 115% by this morning? 158 bazillion?

I have to laugh when they tell whoppers like that and then accuse the other side of lying. And apparently some of them believe their own propaganda, which is funnier still. I have a great idea - with 90% approval, the Dems should run strictly on gun control in 2014. What could possibly go wrong?

46 posted on 04/18/2013 8:55:10 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: IbJensen

There are two kinds of gun control advocates; The ‘low information’ and the ‘true believer.’

The ‘low information’ gun control advocates don’t really know anything about guns. They just repeat whatever sound bite or pithy factoid they’ve heard lately. They are either scared of guns or simply don’t like them, don’t know why anyone would want to own a real gun, and wish guns would just go away. While they may not necessarily intend for everyone’s guns to be confiscated they would most likely say ‘Well, it’s probably for the best,’ and go along with it.

The ‘true believer’ gun control advocates have one simple goal: To make the private possession of any firearm a felony. Period. They want to confiscate every gun not controlled by the government. Some simply hate guns while others see privately held guns as an ‘impediment’ to some other goal or plan. They will take as many years as necessary to achieve this goal, decades even. They are nothing if not patient. They will never stop. When they grow too old to continue they will pass on the job to the next generation of ‘true believers.’

This bill’s defeat is simply a battle in an ongoing war.

Gun rights advocates must remain forever vigilant.


47 posted on 04/18/2013 9:14:50 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: OneWingedShark
This is a lie, we already have the NFA and GCA infringing on the 2nd -- to the point they have become 'normalized' in the eyes of the citizenry.

What is the NFA and the GCA?

48 posted on 04/18/2013 9:24:16 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: andyk

These were amendments to the bill. There is still S649 to deal with.


49 posted on 04/18/2013 9:43:23 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: andyk

The bare bill contains Sect 122 which states:

Subtitle B—Requiring a Background Check for Every Firearm Sale

it shall be unlawful for any person who is not licensed under this chapter to transfer a firearm to any other person who is not licensed under this chapter, unless a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer has first taken possession of the firearm for the purpose of complying with subsection (s).

This IS universal background checks.


50 posted on 04/18/2013 9:48:15 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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