Skip to comments.Racist 'Retail Redlining' Is Still A Big Problem In America
Posted on 04/18/2013 3:08:12 PM PDT by blam
Racist 'Retail Redlining' Is Still A Big Problem In America
Emily Badger, The Atlantic Cities
April 18, 2013
David Mekarski, the village administrator for the south Chicago suburb of Olympia Fields, told a startling story this week at the American Planning Association's annual conference about a debate he recently had with a restaurant official.
Why, he wanted to know, wouldn't quality restaurants come to his mixed-race community, where the average annual household income is $77,000, above the county average?
The reply: "Black folks dont tip, and so managers cant maintain a quality staff. And if they cant maintain a quality staff, they cant maintain a quality restaurant.
A gasp then rippled through the room in front of Mekarski. "This is one of the most pervasive and insidious forms of racism left in America today," he says.
There's a term for the phenomenon he's describing: retail redlining. The practice is a more recent and less studied variation on redlining as it's been historically recognized in the housing sector. In the context of retail, grocery stores, and restaurants, redlining refers to the "spatially discriminatory practice" of not serving certain communities because of their ethnic or racial composition, rather than their economic prospects.
It's a newer phenomenon in part because there are more upper-income minority communities in America today. Households that can afford the same stores and restaurants as comparable white communities now want to know where the retailers are. The practice is tricky to study, though, because these types of communities are still relatively few in number (with hard-to-find comparison communities), and because it's difficult to distinguish a retailer's "unconscious racism" from its legitimate business reasons for locating a store or a restaurant.
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It's more than tipping.
You don’t say. It isn’t hard for black criminals to enter a high income black neighborhood to commit crimes.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t evil Redlining what banks used to do before the Community Reinvestment Act made the huge push into sub-prime mortgages?
There are plenty of black multi-millionaires like Jay-Z, Beyoncé, P Diddy et al. What’s stopping them from using their own money and opening restaurants and grocery stores in the ghetto?
We all know what.
In other words, the government should be able to require you to put your business in a certain location.
I think the bigger question is why aren’t blacks in those areas filling the obvious gaps of quality restaurants with their own restaurants?
WHy are they waiting for others to move in? Why are they not doing it themselves, if they see a problem? Who says you have to have outside chains come in? Why aren’t their own entreprenuers filling a gap, if there’s such a great demand for it?
If you always are on the lookout for racism, you’ll always find it.
And the whole tipping thing, I am sure that’s not the only reason, but it is a real business reason as the wait staff makes a lot of their income on tips. If there’s a demographic of diners known in the industry to not tip well, that would have to be taken into account.
Apparently instead of “women and minorities hardest hit”, the story this time is “women and minorities hardly tip”.
Filled in the missing part there.
We need a million dollar line of credit for every unworthy borrower or its racist!
Since when is it racist for a business to determine where it wants to do business? How about if they don’t want to set up shop in a dangerous part of town? Just because that part may be more black or hispanic, that doesn’t make it racist.
For these folks it’s always racism.
How about not wanting to set up a business in an area where every perceived slight is automatically called “racist”?
“Black folks dont tip, and so managers cant maintain a quality staff. And if they cant maintain a quality staff, they cant maintain a quality restaurant.
This is true. Now having said that, how do I prove I’m not
a racist? Not that I really give a hoot, just curious.
Nothing personal to you Shadow.
“Correct me if Im wrong, but wasnt evil Redlining what banks used to do before the Community Reinvestment Act made the huge push into sub-prime mortgages?”
Yes, in theory, they drew red lines on the map in areas where they could not make loans pay. These turned out to be black areas. But it wasn’t a theory. Loans made on properties in those areas defaulted at many times the rate in other areas. ACORN sued with government supplied money and won. The banks had to make loans specifically in those areas. But Fannie May and Freddie Mack bought the bad paper and bundled it. So, the banks were not actually taking risks with their own money. That’s how the property bubble inflated. Then, when the interest rate on the adjustable rates went up, 7% of the loans defaulted. But the bundled paper greatly multiplied the effect and caused a cascading failure. This is now happening again.
Beyonce could open up a chain of “Bow Down Bitches” restaurants.
The problem is self-inflicted as denonstrated by the self-evident videos of the problem.
Los Angeles Riots and looting RAW Footage 1992
You don’t need an expensive study for this. Just go to any nice restaurant and ask the waitstaff.
Both my daughter and my granddaughter (her niece) have worked/work at high-end places and they will both tell you the same thing.
Even the black waiters/waitresses didn’t want to wait on other blacks.
I guess they’ll have to keep eating at government restaurants. :)
Jay-Z, Beyoncé, P Diddy et al Don’t tip either.
If you were black, that would be “proof”.
Of course they then would dismiss you as an Uncle Tom. Or an Oreo.
The article was asking why higher end chain restaurants weren’t moving to wealthy black neighborhoods. Not asking why mid-market grocery stores weren’t moving into poor black neighborhoods.
Read that--We have no real way to determine business people's motives, but we're going to scream racism anyway.
As always, saying the truth gets you in trouble with the PC police.
Government is always trying to force businesses to operate at a loss, by hiring incompetents, or serving people who won’t obey the rules of society.
I think just discussing this would be considered racist. /sarc
Why prove anything?
People who bring the question up are the ones with the problem.
“Since when is it racist for a business to determine where it wants to do business?”
When race is the predominant factor in the decision, I suppose.
I heard Canadians don’t tip very well, either.
I'd be willing to bet it's a lot more difficult to find people there willing to hide them and lie to the police about whether they've seen them after the crime has been committed.
Why is the presumption that the restauranteur is not asserting fact?
Why is it connoted that locating in a particular place is dependent on race [and not labor economics?] Couldn’t it also be a million other things?
Correlation does not assert causation. They teach that in middle school in my grand daughter’s school.
Baldness and old age have a strong positive correlation... but that does not mean baldness causes old age or that old age causes baldness. 70% of car accidents happen within 5 miles of one’s home. Does being close to home cause accidents? Of course not... 70% of driving occurs within 5 miles of one’s home.
Lurking variables ...
They’re counting on the ignorance of the citizens they govern.
Fish or Cut BAit!
in Myrtle beach there was bike week and then blacks would come in on their rocket bikes and have their black bike week for 4 days.
For the 10 days in the city there was 1 arrest in the Harley crowd and that was being drink.
In the 4 days after there were over 200 arrests restaurants closed down for the event, stores closed their doors.
When the city tried to ban black bike week the NAACP said it was due to racism.
When store owners, restaurant owners , hotel owners were asked why do you close your business they all said that the bills were never paid, they ordered drinks or meals, got tabs and then ran out, there were sometimes 20 in a room of a motel which was against the motel owners laws and rules.
Police told of drugs, drunks, fights, black women bearing all up and down the strip, wearing next to nothing which I suppose would be nice if they were not all bearing 200 pounds of a massive rear load.
There was speeding, wheelies and the locals had enough.
in the end the city had to close it all down because of black groups not understanding that they have a problem in their communities and the law and it was not racism but people fed up of idiots acting like idiots
So post a sign on the door and menus that says all checks include a tip.-— period.
It’s not really a part of the culture in Australia either. IMO, it’s silly. Restaurants should just pay their employees and let tips be ACTUAL tips rather than a necessary part of the compensation. Or at least include a percentage “tip” in the bill as a mandatory service fee and incorporate it into the menu prices.
why doesn;t white women married or going with black guys move to black areas instead of them always moving to white too, why don’t they open businesses in these fine well to do black areas?
When race is the predominant factor in the decision, I suppose.
But race would only be the predominant factor for business reasons. It's ironic - - a regular "Catch-22". It's like when banks were turning down mortgage applicants with crappy credit histories. Blacks as a group have crappier credit histories than whites and so were turned down more frequently than white applicants. Voila! Must be racism! In reality, it is 2013 and the kind of racism that puts the color green second to any other color is pretty much non-existant.
Of course, reality has never stopped the race-hustling scum and their victim-class minions from hollering "racism!"
it has been said for 150 years:
You can believe the civil war is over when Democrats start tipping in restaurants.
“So post a sign on the door and menus that says all checks include a tip.- period.”
That’s what makes the story seem kind of off to me. These chain restaurants are going to turn down potentially profitable revenue streams because a problem that can be easily solved with a mandatory tip policy? Most of them are already doing that for large parties, just do it across the board and put a sign out front to that effect.
see post 29 I wrote when you get a chance.
Black groups ignore their problems in their communities, and yet in those areas they get lots of free stuff, parks, boys and girl clubs, community centers, etc, lots of free barbecues put on for the areas etc and yet the trash which is let behind is disgusting.
It’s high time the black groups which shout racist look at their own areas and tell them to look after their area,s pick up trash, look after their houses, tell their kids to not wander streets acting up like Tryvon Martin etc, how about do well at school, stop trying to be different to be black like have those silly names, mubresha, kahisha, tahisha, labresha, etc , stop dressing and acting in a certain way where they get negative attention and stop with all the fake crap they wear, drive a fancy car and yet live in a trailer.
Just found this out but they wear weave and when I asked my kids what it was they told me it was horse hair, I never look at my horse the same again when I brush her mane EEK.
How can anyone wear horse hair yuck
wife worked as a waitress , not a fancy place but a chain place and she said when they got groups of them in the wait staff never wanted to serve them because they would have you running about, make such a mess and they were so loud and obnoxious , even food on the floor, all over the place and many a time the other people would complain about the noise they made.
This is not just restaurants either but hotels, by the swimming pool, late at night , even in stores.
Not sure why they have to be so loud all the time especially when there are groups of black women
And after the housing crash began to result in foreclosures, ACORN turned around and blamed the same banks for pushing credit on people who couldn't afford it. Of course, the media reported it with no history or irony.
Part of the business model for quality restaurants is great service. How do they promote great service? By hiring and retaining servers who provide great service. And why do you suppose the servers provide great service? Because they don’t get paid if they don’t. Wow, what a concept!
If a restaurant added the 15 - 20% tips to the bills and then handed over the money to the servers regardless of the quality of the service they provided, take a guess what would happen to the quality of the service over time?
See, by making the transaction directly between the server and the customer the restaurant is establishing the optimum environment for providing quality service and thereby maintaining its reputation as a quality restaurant. Hopefully, that’s good enough to keep the restaurant in business.
“But race would only be the predominant factor for business reasons. It’s ironic - - a regular “Catch-22”. It’s like when banks were turning down mortgage applicants with crappy credit histories. Blacks as a group have crappier credit histories than whites and so were turned down more frequently than white applicants. Voila! Must be racism! In reality, it is 2013 and the kind of racism that puts the color green second to any other color is pretty much non-existant.”
It doesn’t stop being racism just because particular prejudgements happen to be correct in many circumstances. If Herman Cain walks into a restaurant and receives poor service because of all those other Black folks who didn’t tip the staff, he’s still being discriminated against based on his race. We can’t aspire to have a color blind society and be okay with people being discriminated against because of their skin color due to the behavior of people they have nothing to do with. I’m black, and I’m not anymore responsible for Black folks who don’t tip then you are. If I walk into a restaurant and get treated like crap because of the behavior of people who look like me, how is that not prejudice?
In Chicago we have black-owned Leroy's Chicken in black neighborhoods. There's one with a window and "Go Obama" written in large letters. It closed back in 2008.
There's a term for the phenomenon he's describing: retail
The fact is dollars are green and in some neighborhoods you cannot charge enough premium to make a go of it. In Chicago's Hyde Park there's a breakfast shop that takes only cash. They gaurd the door like hawks, but not from robbers outside. It's the customers skipping that they watch for.
Years ago we had a high school summer hire. She was neat, polite, and sweet. I took her out to lunch on her last day. She sent her meal back three times and ran the waitress ragged. The steak was too rare. The steak was too fatty. She changed her mind and wanted shrimp instead. I was mortified and tipped extra. She must have learned that behavior from eating out with her family, so sad.
Thats what makes the story seem kind of off to me. These chain restaurants are going to turn down potentially profitable revenue streams because a problem that can be easily solved with a mandatory tip policy? Most of them are already doing that for large parties, just do it across the board and put a sign out front to that effect.
wife was a waitress and she said they were loud, messy and a pain and not one wanted to serve them as they knew that they would be treated awful along with other customers complaining about the noise if there were a few of them.
I could not be bothered anymore about being called a racist, I;m sick of the racist card being played, facts are facts and there are big problems in the black communities where kids are brought up off older folks who still have a chip on their shoulders and who make it out that they were slaves.