Skip to comments.Dead suspect: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them”
Posted on 04/19/2013 6:51:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Tamerlan Tsarnaev died in a shootout with Boston police earlier this morning, perhaps killed by bullets, his own IED, or the fact that his brother Dzhokar reportedly drove over him in order to plow through a police barricade after the shootout. He will live on in a photo essay taken when he competed in Golden Glove boxing, thanks to photographer Johannes Hirn, linked by an alert Dave Weigel a few minutes ago. The accompanying interview raised at least a yellow flag about the isolation of Tsarnaev from his community in the essay titled “Will Box for Passport”:
Tamerlan, who studies at Bunker Hill Community College in Boston and wants to become an engineer, took the semester off from school to train for the competition.
Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee.
Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.”
If he wins enough fights… Tamerlan says he could be selected for the US Olympic team and be naturalized American. Unless his native Chechnya becomes independent, Tamerlan says he would rather compete for the United States than for Russia.
Tamerlan says he doesn’t drink or smoke anymore: “God said no alcohol.” A muslim, he says: “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.”
Accordingly, Weigel and others claim that this is Tsarnaev’s YouTube channel (which I already posted in the main thread). It’s not confirmed, and there may well be more than one Tamerlan Tsarnaev, but if it’s his, a certain theme emerges almost immediately. It’s odd that Tsarnaev wanted to compete for the US rather than Kazakhstan, perhaps, where he might have fit in better; if this really is his YouTube account, it’s even more odd.
Update: Some are claiming that this is Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s Amazon wish list. I’d approach this with a grain of salt, but again if so, it’s certainly interesting. Quite a few items on making fake IDs, but they’ve all been on the list for almost six years. Not sure if I’m buying this.
Update: More from the AP on the background of both brothers, including this tidbit, emphasis mine:
In May of 2011, Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, then a senior at a prestigious high school, was awarded a $2,500 scholarship from the city of Cambridge, Mass., to pursue higher education. Now, Tsarnaev is on the run, described as “armed and dangerous” and suspected of the Boston Marathon bombing. …
According to the website spotcrime.com, Tamerlan was arrested for domestic violence in July 2009, after assaulting his girlfriend.
He was an amateur boxer, listed as a competitor in a National Golden Gloves competition in 2009.
Assuming that boxing profile preceded the arrest, that might be an inflection point for Tamerlan’s radicalization.
Update: Reuters reports that the younger brother’s website promoted Islamist websites:
Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev posted links to Islamic websites and others calling for Chechen independence on what appears to be his page on a Russian language social networking site.
Abusive comments in Russian and English were flooding onto Tsarnaev’s page on VK, a Russian-language social media site, on Friday after he was identified as a suspect in the bombing of the Boston marathon. …
His “World view” is listed as “Islam” and his “Personal priority” is “career and money”.
He has posted links to videos of fighters in the Syrian civil war and to Islamic web pages with titles like “Salamworld, my religion is Islam” and “There is no God but Allah, let that ring out in our hearts”.
I guess young Americans are much smarter than I give them credit for, even in Boston.
Holy Sh*t, he's really in trouble now.
RE: Holy Sh*t, he’s really in trouble now.
He’s already gone to be with the Vestal Virgins.
He doesn’t understand people not being liars all the time
More likely, Helen Thomas lookalikes!
no body likes me, everybody hates me
I think I’ll kill people......
The local news now is excusing their actions because they came from such a violent community in Russia, that’s how they learned to deal with trouble.
Hell, I’m American and I don’t have any friends either, but I’m not blowing up women and children because of it.
Right back at ya’, dead Chechnyan Muslim terrorist. Don’t understand you, have no dead Chechnyan Muslim friends.
Sounds like a typical Morrissey song.
They’ll take away his guns...
I don;t think that’s excusing their actions, I think that’s a pretty strong case for stopping immigration of these sick bastards.
“calling for Chechen independence”
These people should stay there and fight for independence.
What his ‘profession’ is, where he worked, where his income/money from,
If he and his brother turned out to be sucking on gubmint teats, I (and millions of Americans) would be furious.
In a rational world, yes, but we are talking about reporters.
Hm. Worth looking into. I'll have to do some research.
he probably could not understand Americans because up in MA they were even too far left for him, tell the truth I don;t understand many of them up there, hell even looking at the TV I see freaks in the background, men looking girlie, women with short hair and looking boyish.
Men marrying men, women marrying women, men inmates getting a sex change, freak homo parades, the left wing tolerance and diversity crap.
Yep I seem to be the same as him if he refers to the Americans as just those up in MA
you ever been there?
MA , Cambridge, Waltham, Watertown, Weston, Newton Boston etc are full of left wing nuts.
I guarantee that people gave these two sympathy because where they were from and kept harping on about how America is to blame and poor muslims are nice and being picked on.
The media are a joke, they keep mentioning how could they do this, they came fro the American dream, did they come here as sleepers at a young age.
The left media still does not get it , even after all this.
It so happens in a place which is ultra radical left wing which shouts tolerance and diversity
Do student visa regulations permit someone to take time off from school to pursue activities unrelated to academics?
bozo will be ordering to kill him so he does not have to deal with the courts, what courts, what charges, Gitmo.
Remember dead people do not talk and then bozo next week can get back to anti gun and pro illegal immigration
Here's a helpful hint for any other Tamerlans out there: instead of reading books like, "How To Make A Bomb", how about reading "How To Win Friends And Influence People".
RE: how about reading “How To Win Friends And Influence People”.
Interestingly, that was on his purchase list too according to his Amazon page (released by the company).
I am hoping that maybe this will lead at least some GOP senators to rethink about pushing this devastating immigration bill. We all should keep after them. We already have laws but need to have them enforced.
Shoulda been higher up on his list. Let this be a lesson to any other Talismans out there.
I was being sarcastic to a point. I just want them and all foreigners out. Go home.
RE: I was being sarcastic to a point. I just want them and all foreigners out. Go home.
They’ve been in America for over a decade.
At least one of the brothers went to Cambridge Rindge and Latin School ... where Oscar winners, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck went to school, according to reports.
The question now ... are these brothers — who have presumably been Americanized and living in the U.S. for years — considered domestic or foreign terrorists.
If you are not a citizen then you are a foreigner. It is time to remove the gray area.
Sir, you have JUST accurately described both Boston and MA to a tee!(a)
RE: If you are not a citizen then you are a foreigner
Still waiting to find out if either one of them applied for US citizenship.
Any immigrant can apply for citizenship after 5 years of residency in this country.
“..I dont have a single American friend, I dont understand them..”
Boston is the capital city of the diversity movement and a poster child of the radical liberal left - and a muslim terrorist couldn’t understand them??
I don’t think he needed a student visa. They’ve been here several years since they came with their parents. - about ten years ago. The youngest would have been 9 or 10 years old.
The youngest brother seems to have assimilated quite well into American life and was well liked in school. His coach spoke very highly of him and is in shock that this happened. I’m betting that the older brother radicalized him - through Islam, of course. :(
IMO applying doesn’t count. Being engaged doesn’t make you married.
er there is no question except put out by the left wing media I can’t believe the media is asking this but then again they are trying to change the facts and say it’s domestic.
They were foreign and terrorists, that;s a fact pure and simple
They haven’t been here for years. The brother on the run has only been here since late 2011; the deceased brother’s length of residence stateside I do not know.
Have you ever been there?
The young men who are mostly students look very girlie and the women for some reason have to have short hair and look boyish.
Even on TV I can see the background and people walking about and there are so many looking freaks there.
Even in neighboring NH the people don’t want Ma folk and then up in ME they’ve had it with MA people too.
RE: IMO applying doesnt count. Being engaged doesnt make you married.
Let’s put it another way.... Most applications for citienships get APPROVED after you pass the residency requirements.
We don’t know if they did apply. But let’s assume that they did apply ( and they can by law because they’ve lived here for over 10 years ) and the application is approved, and they were sworn in as citizens like millions of others.
That makes them Americans.
Please provide a reference for that information concerning length of residence.
“Holy Sh*t, he’s really in trouble now.”
Not really. Seems to me NOW is OK with Muslim domestic violence. It’s a cultural thing, you know?
We agree to disagree. There are some I will never accept as my fellow countrymen. They do not assimilate they are not American.
RE: Even in neighboring NH the people dont want Ma folk and then up in ME theyve had it with MA people too.
Too bad, NH has already been overrun by MA folks attracted to their ZERO state taxes.
How do I know that?
NH ( the live free or die state ), voted for OBAMA ( yep. he of Obamacare fame ) TWICE — in 2008 and 2012.
Live free or Die — They chose the latter.
RE: We agree to disagree. There are some I will never accept as my fellow countrymen. They do not assimilate they are not American.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you.
Being born an American does not guarantee that you will grow up to love this country. See The American Taliban — John Walker Lindh for instance.
Conversely, being born overseas does not necessarily make you a terrorist and an American hater.
I know of MANY overseas born immigrants who love this country ( and will fight for her ). I also know of many native born Americans who hate this country and who will betray her.
We ought to take things on a case by case basis.
I agree with case by case but I am leaning toward an exception for Muslims. Allow none. I try to be impartial toward the “moderate” ones but there silence and refusal to turn in their fellow satan worshipers has dulled my sympathies.
I take it since he doesn’t understand Americans he doesn’t want to be friends with us rather than Americans don’t want to be friends with him.