Skip to comments.Waco After 20 Years: A Warning Against Unrestrained Government
Posted on 04/19/2013 8:54:38 AM PDT by IbJensen
April 19 marks the 20th anniversary of the Waco, Texas, massacre of Branch Davidian church members at the organization's Mount Carmel compound. Some 82 Davidians (including 26 children) and four ATF agents were killed in two related episodes, a February 28 military-style assault by 100 ATF agents and an April 19 fire after a six-week stand-off provoked by the FBI.
The Waco massacre ranks among the largest mass-killings of American citizens by its own government since 19th-century Indian massacres, such as Wounded Knee, the Dakota Sioux War of 1862, and the Trail of Tears.
The massacre began in a February 28 raid by ATF officials on the compound where Davidians lived. The Davidians were ready for the ATF. Four ATF agents were killed and another 16 injured, and the ATF was repulsed from the Mount Carmel Center compound. Six Davidians a Seventh Day Adventist splinter group were also reportedly killed in the February 28 melee.
The raid was a result of ATF allegations that the Davidian's leader David Koresh (also known by his birth name Vernon Howell) had modified legally purchased AR-15 military-style rifles to fully automatic status, a federal crime. The FBI later concluded that the Davidians had modified 48 firearms to fire in fully automatic mode, and that they also had 21 silencers and a number of practice hand-grenades.
Koresh had been the subject of a series of articles in the Waco Tribune-Herald beginning the day before the February 28 ATF raid. The paper quoted former Davidians who claimed firearms violations, as well as polygamy and child molestation, by Koresh. The series began with the following allegations:
Waco If you are a Branch Davidian, Christ lives on a threadbare piece of land 10 miles east of here called Mount Carmel. He has dimples, claims a ninth-grade education, married his legal wife when she was 14, enjoys a beer now and then, plays a mean guitar, reportedly packs a 9mm Glock and keeps an arsenal of military assault rifles, and willingly admits that he is a sinner without equal....
An eight-month Waco Tribune-Herald investigation that involved numerous interviews with Breault and more than 20 other former cult members and a review of court records and statements to law enforcement officials revealed complaints that Howell:
abused children physically and psychologically;
boasted of having sex with underage girls in the cult;
and has had at least 15 so-called wives.
The ATF raid was initiated in advance of anticipated annual March budget hearings in Congress, and Mike Wallace of CBS' 60 Minutes noted in a May 23, 1993 broadcast after the end of the siege that almost all the agents we talked to said they believe the initial attack on that cult in Waco was a publicity stunt the main goal of which was to improve ATFs tarnished image. Indeed, earlier in the year Wallace had aired a program alleging a culture of sexual harassment against women in the agency. The codename for the eventual February 28 military-style assault, deemed a dynamic entry by the ATF, was Showtime.
And dynamic entry was the ATF's first option, not its last option. The U.S. House of Representatives reported on August 2, 1996 after an investigation: The subcommittees conclude that the ATF was predisposed to using aggressive, military tactics in an attempt to serve the arrest and search warrant. The ATF deliberately chose not to arrest Koresh outside the Davidian residence and instead determined to use a dynamic entry approach. The bias toward the use of force may in large part be explained by a culture within ATF.
In a phone interview with CNN the evening of the initial ATF raid on February 28, Koresh claimed that the ATF agents had started the shooting:
They started firing at me. And so what happened was is that I fell back at the door, and bullets started coming through the door. And so then what happened was some of the young men with us just started firing on them. And I was already hollering, I was saying go away. You know, I was hollering Go away. There's women and children here. Let's talk.
Koresh's interview coincided with the experience of Texas law enforcement when Koresh had a run-in with the law several years earlier. Local officials reported no difficulties talking with Koresh, or with arresting him for an alleged crime (which resulted in a hung jury). McClennan County District Attorney Vic Feazell told the Houston Chronicle on March 1, 1993: We had no problems. We treated them like human beings rather than storm-trooping the place. They were extremely polite people. After the trial, although we didnt agree with everything they believed or said, many of the staff were pretty sympathetic with them.
Though the U.S. government has always claimed that the Davidians fired the first shots, even the FBI concluded in its report Project Megiddo that the ATF provoked the Davidians: The violent tendencies of dangerous cults can be classified into two general categories defensive violence and offensive violence. Defensive violence is utilized by cults to defend a compound or enclave that was created specifically to eliminate most contact with the dominant culture. The 1993 clash in Waco, Texas at the Branch Davidian complex is an illustration of such defensive violence. History has shown that groups that seek to withdraw from the dominant culture seldom act on their beliefs that the endtime has come unless provoked.
The federal government clearly also violated the federal Posse Comitatus Act during the six-week Waco siege, which bans the use of the military in law enforcement within the territorial United States, since the government used military advisors and tanks to distribute a military-style tear-gas round called CS gas. Use of CS gas canisters was later banned, even in war, by the 1997 International Chemical Weapons Convention, and Davidians later blamed the fire that killed many of the Davidians on the use of the combustible gas canisters to end the siege.
While the official government report stressed that none of the victims of the fire was a direct result of the CS gas canisters, the failure to escape the fire may have been partially or fully a result of disability from the gas, which stings the eyes, throat, and skin. This may have been particularly the case for the women and children victims, who were in an enclosed area of the compound where the fumes would be slow to disperse.
The Washington Post admitted on September 4, 1999 that the White House's seven years of denying that the government had used military projectiles had proved to be a lie. The episode has become a painful embarrassment to the FBI, largely because of the bureau's insistence until last week that no military tear gas cartridges or other potentially incendiary weapons were used during the assault.
The Washington Post also reported of Richard M. Rogers, the assistant special agent in charge of the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team at Waco:
Rogers, the agent who gave the authorization to use the military rounds, also was the Hostage Rescue Team commander during an earlier siege against white separatist Randy Weaver in August 1992 in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in which Weaver's wife, Vicki, was shot and killed by an FBI sniper. "Rules of engagement" drafted by Rogers, which allowed agents to shoot armed suspects on sight, were later deemed illegal by a Justice Department task force. As a result of his role at Ruby Ridge, Rogers was issued a 10-day suspension in 1995 and voluntarily accepted reassignment to a non-tactical management job. He has since retired from the bureau.
Wait a minute. This nation was founded by religious nuts with guns.
Does anyone know if the lusty lesbian, who famously drove a pickup truck as a sign of her masculinity, has written a book about her job. You've got to hand it to that dynamic Clinton duo-president because they, like Obomba and his assorted misfits, could really pick an administration. Jocelyn Elders was a stellar selection. Had Mosely-Braun lasted a bit longer they'd have shoved her into a really important position of power.
These Democrats are something else. Or is it that they should be somewhere else?
Janet Reno and her thug, Eric Holder !!
This is not the country I grew up in.
The Republicans aren’t any better. The Ruby Ridge incident occurred during the first Bush administration.
The Davidians were already dead when their leader brought over 200 AR-15 and had them train as a cohesive fighting force. No modern gov would allow a private army form within their borders. Feds will not wait till the Davidians had battalion/brigade size formation, thus a fight had to be started to justify the destruction of such force. Any pretext will be used including unproven allegations such as conversion of AR-15 to automatics, child abuse and molestation, etc etc etc etc.
When I woke up in the morning and saw that image of the JBT with the gun in Elian’s face, I turned to my wife and said, they have stolen the country.
Even if everything the lesbian driven Stasi said about the Branch Davidians was 100% true we usually have a trial then punishment but the gestapo decided on a human bar-b-que.
Funny how the Stasi could declare the Branch Davidians not a religion but a cult (which was true) even though they had not made any threats to destroy the USA yet these same government vermin refuse to declare the phony religion of Islam a death cult even though they have openly declared their desire to convert or kill us all.
Seems the government is, without a doubt, our enemy.
Yep...and 238 years ago today, they showed the "government" of the day what a bunch of independent-minded bitter clingers could do. Celebrate Patriots' Day, April 19th, 1775!
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
In testimony before Congress ATF agents admitted that they shot first, at the DOGS ON THE FRONT PORCH, Of course bullets meant for the dogs penetrated the wooden building.
The GOP committee members did not follow this up! The GOP committees had moles, notably Bob Barr would while appearing prosecutorial actually kept a lid on the investigation.
I read a few years ago that Koresh used to go into town regularly. Instead of “swatting”the compound, why didn’t they just arrest him in town?
Because Billy Jeff and Butch Reno wanted to make a big scene with plastered headlines and video about the religious radical Christians they had to take down in order to save the country.
No doubt in my mind our government killed all those folks. Koresh could have been taken easily when he jogged the country roads and made regular trips to town.
” As a result of his role at Ruby Ridge, Rogers was issued a 10-day suspension in 1995 and voluntarily accepted reassignment to a non-tactical management job. He has since retired from the bureau.”
This is the federal penalty for murder. 10 days suspension and reassignment to a non-tactical management job.
When I read about Ruby Ridge and the subsequent investigation I was sickened by the way Washington let the ATF just walk away with what was little more than cold blooded murder of an innocent woman, her baby, and older son.
The local and state authorities were justifiably sickened by the insolent, and even Washington acknowledged the wrongful deaths.
Yet all Washington would do was a 10 day suspension and a transfer for a triple homicide.
I think the first Bush administration was really more of a RINO administration on many issues not just taxes. I suppose its not surprising given how he campaigned against Reagan.
And, because there is no punishment for the Government's transgression they believe they can do anything.
I wonder what would happen if it came to light the following is true:
If history is accurate, then nothing much.
Yes. That did slip my decrepit old mind.
The weekend before, he was at a firing range, and the ATF scumbags were there as well.
The sheriff told the Fedgov muderers that if they'd really wanted to arrest Koresh it could have been done with a single phone call from the sheriff telling him to come down to the station.
Never heard of Clypso Louies army I see.
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