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DeMint vs. Rubio (Former allies now adversaries on immigration reform)
National Review ^ | 04/18/2013 | Robert Costa

Posted on 04/19/2013 9:05:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Nearly four years ago, in June 2009, then senator Jim DeMint endorsed Marco Rubio, an unknown, 38-year-old attorney, in Florida’s Republican Senate primary. It was huge news. Then GOP governor Charlie Crist was expected to waltz to the nomination, since he had the backing of most of the Republican establishment. DeMint’s endorsement led to a flurry of conservative interest in Rubio, who eventually landed on the cover of National Review and, of course, in the Senate. These days, however, that relationship is fraying, at least politically.

DeMint is now president of the Heritage Foundation and he’s battling Rubio’s push for comprehensive immigration reform. And the fight is only beginning. In a new post on the Heritage website, DeMint rails against the Gang of Eight’s bill, saying it has a “significant cost” for taxpayers. “This new bill is much the same as the last [such bill in 2007]: immediate amnesty in the form of provisional status within months and lofty promises of ’strategies’ and ‘plans’ for enforcement years later,” he writes.

Though DeMint’s opposition alone is probably not enough to take down the bill, how Rubio navigates the growing chorus of critics will say much about its chances. Rubio, for his part, clearly takes the opposition seriously. He’s spending many hours this week huddling with conservative leaders, and later today, he’ll once again appear on a slew of conservative talk-radio programs. On Wednesday, he appeared on Mark Levin’s show, where he carefully explained the bill.

Will Rubio’s wooing be enough to win some more conservative supporters? We’ll see. But it’s fascinating to see how DeMint, once Rubio’s greatest ally, is now an important adversary during a critical moment in Rubio’s career.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; jimdemint; marcorubio

1 posted on 04/19/2013 9:05:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Being on Levin and Rush is a concerted effort

A pox on both who I normally adore


2 posted on 04/19/2013 9:08:04 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

They let him on but then they trashed his bill.


3 posted on 04/19/2013 9:09:40 AM PDT by DManA
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To: wardaddy

Did you listen to the Rush Interview?


4 posted on 04/19/2013 9:10:26 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s funny, but Rand Paul’s position on Amnesty is just as bad as Rubio’s, but we hear next to nothing about it.


5 posted on 04/19/2013 9:16:05 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SeekAndFind

We have to hurry with getting Immigration "Reform" passed in Congress. Hurry, hurry, hurry!!!

6 posted on 04/19/2013 9:17:09 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SoConPubbie

I don’t think Rand’s is this bad. This bill is terrible, and it is clear Rubio has been successfully compromised by the Democrat leadership. They got him to sign off on total garbage, thus ending his threat on a national level.

When Rubio lays out his general parameters earlier, it was within reason. Rand shares such core principles. Security first, path to normalization for those here as guest workers, and rigid path to citizenship like someone who followed the rules to gain citizenship from outside. Those principles are fine to many (the only real argument I have is path to citizenship...I have no problem with reform that gets illegals to become legal guest workers and tax payers).

The bill presented in no way matches up with the principles Rubio laid out. He made a major blunder going along with this crap. I haven’t seen Rand sign off on this bill.


7 posted on 04/19/2013 9:21:15 AM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: SeekAndFind

Marco Rube? Part of the go-along-to-get-along collective in Con gress.


8 posted on 04/19/2013 9:25:40 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: ilgipper

It makes me wonder about Sen. Rubio. I always felt he was a sneaky one. Now his true agenda is coming out.


9 posted on 04/19/2013 9:29:41 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: SeekAndFind

Rubio’s a sellout. Never trust him on anything ever again.


10 posted on 04/19/2013 9:30:25 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: SoConPubbie

Not at all. Paul’s position is seal the border, then we can talk. Rubio is let’s do amnesty and, trust us, we will also seal the boarder.


11 posted on 04/19/2013 9:32:08 AM PDT by DManA
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To: ilgipper

Even if you believe in the basic premise of this bill you’d have to say this bill is utter garbage. 900 pages long. Packed with exemptions and exceptions. As an example of legislative craftsmanship is is an embarrassment.


12 posted on 04/19/2013 9:33:58 AM PDT by DManA
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To: apocalypto

I think Rubio is pretty solid on most issues important to us. I’ve seen it publicly and privately with his staff. On immigration, he’s always been to the left of us...he’s a Jeb Bush guy, and has all the failing on immigration the Bush’s do.

I won’t completely abandon Rubio over this, but he’s lost major points with me. Unless he follows this course on other issues moving left, he’s still alright in my book overall. I won’t support him for higher office, though, after this debacle.


13 posted on 04/19/2013 9:46:44 AM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: ilgipper
I doubt Rubio was compromised by the left. He probably hates them as much as we do.

More likely it was the rino brothers Mcqueeg and Linda graham.I can just hear their pap right now and as a JR. Senator he is almost obliged to listen, not obey but at least listen.

This bill could be really bad for Marco and for us.

14 posted on 04/19/2013 9:47:56 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: apocalypto

I will NEVER trust Rubio after this!


15 posted on 04/19/2013 10:10:28 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: ilgipper
I have no problem with reform that gets illegals to become legal guest workers and tax payers

The idea that making them legal guest workers would result in them becoming tax payers is a red herring. Considering that almost 50 percent of legal residents don't pay income taxes, it is not reasonable to assume that workers coveted for their willingness to accept lower wage jobs would incur substantial tax liability. In fact, considering the number of dependents the average illegal has, it is more likely that most would qualify for an earned income tax credit.

16 posted on 04/19/2013 10:46:19 AM PDT by etcb
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To: ilgipper

I disagree with Rubio on more than just Amnesty, even though Amnesty is enough for him to hang! He’s also been a lapdog of the McCain undeclared warfare in the sandbox but I do think Rubio deserves to be recalled for his pre-election lies about amnesty. I find he makes my skin crawl almost as much as Obama does.


17 posted on 04/19/2013 11:16:00 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: rodguy911

Wonder if Rubio is just a stooge for the Jeb Bush run @ the WH?


18 posted on 04/19/2013 11:17:17 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: KansasGirl

Me neither. He crossed the line. A mole.


19 posted on 04/19/2013 11:19:04 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: iopscusa

Well stated.


20 posted on 04/19/2013 11:19:50 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: wardaddy

Note that Rubio went on Levin & Rush before all the details in the 800 page bill had been digested.


21 posted on 04/19/2013 11:23:44 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: rodguy911

I doubt Rubio was compromised by the left. He probably hates them as much as we do.


Rubio & McConnell know exactly what they are doing and they are betting we will still vote a for them as the lesser of two evils. Meanwhile, they can support amnesty and collection K Street payola.

The Dems just want to get this crap sandwich passed out of the Senate ASAP. Either way they win then because they want this issue pinned on the House. Here is the beltway GOP fail. Either way they won’t “win” the issue. Either they sign off on amnesty and enrage GOP voters or they get beat up by the Dems as racists. It’s a battle they can’t win.


22 posted on 04/19/2013 11:37:42 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

I listened to both interviews and we all knew it had path to citizenship

Not a shining moment for either

And both crow about what a true conservative he is

I guess we can see how they react to the total bill now


23 posted on 04/19/2013 11:54:55 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: DManA


No, that is just the normal Amnesty-Lover rhetoric given by those too dishonest to tell the truth.

Rand Paul's plan is to "Normalize" 2 million illegals each and every year if the congress "Certifies" that the border is secure.

Now, if Rand was being honest, like an honest-to-God conservative is usually, then he'd tell us right out that ALL of the Democrats and ALL of the RINOS already believe the border is secure so what we have is another attempt to sell Amnesty by attaching conditions that, as far as those who are going to certify this travesty, have already been met.

BTW, do the math, add up the Democrats and the RINOS and you see immediately the farce that his plan really is, the majority of Congress already believes the border is secure.

Bingo!

You have Amnesty!

Furthermore, to get a real feel for where Rand Paul's head is with respect to this whole Amnesty/Illegal Alien issue is concerned, all you have to do is listen to his own words where he states EMPHATICALLY, that he wants nothing to do with strengthening or using e-Verify.
24 posted on 04/19/2013 1:28:25 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: DManA
Not at all. Paul’s position is seal the border, then we can talk. Rubio is let’s do amnesty and, trust us, we will also seal the boarder.

No, that is just the normal Amnesty-Lover rhetoric given by those too dishonest to tell the truth.

Rand Paul's plan is to "Normalize" 2 million illegals each and every year if the congress "Certifies" that the border is secure.

Now, if Rand was being honest, like an honest-to-God conservative is usually, then he'd tell us right out that ALL of the Democrats and ALL of the RINOS already believe the border is secure so what we have is another attempt to sell Amnesty by attaching conditions that, as far as those who are going to certify this travesty, have already been met.

BTW, do the math, add up the Democrats and the RINOS and you see immediately the farce that his plan really is, the majority of Congress already believes the border is secure.

Bingo!

You have Amnesty!

Furthermore, to get a real feel for where Rand Paul's head is with respect to this whole Amnesty/Illegal Alien issue is concerned, all you have to do is listen to his own words where he states EMPHATICALLY, that he wants nothing to do with strengthening or using e-Verify.
25 posted on 04/19/2013 1:28:54 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: ilgipper
I don’t think Rand’s is this bad. This bill is terrible, and it is clear Rubio has been successfully compromised by the Democrat leadership. They got him to sign off on total garbage, thus ending his threat on a national level.

Rand's is just as bad.

He "Normalizes" the undocumented Democrats after the congress "certifies" that the border is secure at the rate of 2 million a year.

Mind you, this is the congress that is roughly comprised of 50% Democrats who would certify the border secure even if the INS trotted out a Terrorist a day caught crossing the border and another 25% of congress that can only be called traitorous Republicans on this issue that would certify the border as secure right now as well

So Rand puts up a plan that will simply give Amnesty to millions of undocumented Democrats and through this process, he will destroy my nation and put the final nails in my party, the GOP.

Rand isn't a conservative, he's a libertarian, as his position on this issue clearly shows.
26 posted on 04/19/2013 1:34:12 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

BUMP!


27 posted on 04/19/2013 5:20:29 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: iopscusa

I sure as hell hope not.


28 posted on 04/19/2013 5:58:58 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: apocalypto

>> I always felt he was a sneaky one

Not necessarily devious, just not anchored.


29 posted on 04/19/2013 6:01:06 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: lodi90
I don't trust any politician.

My theory/hope is to force them to do the right thing whenever possible.Other than that what else can we do. We are literally forced to pick a side or redo 2012 over and over.That doesn't mean we cant light a fire under their ass and keep it warm.

The RNC is already learning the facts of life. We now donate to individual candidates. There are ways we can be heard. We just have to be vigilant. Will we win them all, obviously not.

30 posted on 04/19/2013 6:03:09 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: wardaddy
For me the big disappointment with Rubio is that he settled for giving the left/regime five years to get border security straightened out. This is unacceptable.

We are dealing with a regime that picks and chooses the laws they will obey to begin with and anytime they don't get their way like on the recent gun legislation that failed they simply put a bunch of EO's in front of zero and ask ValJar to sing them.

31 posted on 04/19/2013 6:06:17 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: DManA
Not at all. Paul’s position is seal the border, then we can talk.

B$, wishful thinking on your part.

32 posted on 04/19/2013 10:52:38 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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