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In Boston and suburbs, shutdown is surreal (Don't call it Martial Law)
Washington Post ^ | Friday, April 19, 2013 | Kevin Sullivan

Posted on 04/19/2013 2:54:50 PM PDT by Second Amendment First

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Throughout Boston and its surrounding suburbs — a metro area usually clogged and bustling on a weekday morning — residents found themselves ordered to stay in — or stay out — of their homes Friday morning, as police launched an unprecedented hunt for Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, an immigrant of Chechen origin who grew up in Cambridge and was identified in video footage from the site of Monday’s deadly attack.

The major universities that are the city’s lifeblood shut down. The web of buses and squealing transit cars of the oldest underground subway in the nation ground to a halt. The gleaming skyscrapers with names of insurance companies and banks in downtown Boston were lightly peopled.

Stuck without any transportation, Bostonians watched televised news updates and tracked social media sites at their homes, glancing outside to ponder empty streets and shuttered businesses.

“When big men with guns and bullet proof vests order you to get out, you get out,” said Tim Fiedler, 23, who lives on Norfolk Street, where the Tsarnaev family lives.

A notice from Gov. Deval L. Patrick’s office said residents of Watertown, Newton, Waltham, Belmont, Cambridge, Allston, Brighton and the entire city of Boston should stay indoors.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: banglist; counterterrorism; guncontrol; martiallaw; secondamendment; tsarnaev; watertown
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They just keep changing the language: "Sheltering in Place" used to be "Martial Law"

Just wait till all the muslim recruits in the ghetto figure out that that impressive show of force is quickly diluted when tasked to dozens of neighborhoods.

The response will have to be more severe.

1 posted on 04/19/2013 2:54:50 PM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

"What difference does it make?"

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same,
or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children
and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
"
President Ronald Reagan

2 posted on 04/19/2013 2:56:00 PM PDT by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Second Amendment First

This is happening more and more. There is an accident with fatalities on a major highway near me and they shut down the entire freakin highway for hours. There is a protest in the city and the police shut down blocks around it. I appreciate that the police have a hard job and are trying to protect the population, but it is overkill.


3 posted on 04/19/2013 2:57:21 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Second Amendment First

lets facer it the police are screwing up.
They had a car chase only because they did a failed car jacking but they got away.
They had a shoot out and still one gets away.
I;ts been thousands of police from all over the state from different towns and God knows how many agencies involved and still they have not got him.

I take it they have checked all mosques seeing as only a couple of miles down the road is the biggest mosque in New England, ARF.

This whole thing has been a massive screw up


4 posted on 04/19/2013 2:57:25 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

this will be used to have more camera’s more spying on us now but then again the Govt and the Obama regime lets in more illegals and third world country immigrants


5 posted on 04/19/2013 2:58:24 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Second Amendment First

This is reality in a disarmed society.


6 posted on 04/19/2013 2:59:03 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Never thought a reason to prep was because one person, without a super power, was on the loose.


7 posted on 04/19/2013 2:59:56 PM PDT by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: manc

“Never let a crisis go to waste” The police view this as: PRACTICE.


8 posted on 04/19/2013 3:00:34 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Second Amendment First

“Martial Law” = a Progressives wet dream


9 posted on 04/19/2013 3:00:35 PM PDT by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: Second Amendment First

It is SEQUESTRATION.

Boston and the surrounding area are being SEQUESTERED.

There would never be martial law in the US for something like this.


10 posted on 04/19/2013 3:00:42 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I suspect it’s lawyers that make a lot of the rules related to incidents like that — and maybe public officials making sure they never have to explain why they didn’t do so-and-so in response to an incident.


11 posted on 04/19/2013 3:01:54 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Diogenesis

“Sheltering in Place” used to be “Martial Law”

So much more salutary. So very warm and paternal.


12 posted on 04/19/2013 3:03:00 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: manc
"I take it they have checked all mosques seeing as only a couple of miles down the road is the biggest mosque in New England, ARF."

Very good question. Did they have to clear it with CAIR first? Did they observe advance notice and religious sensitivities during a search (if any)?

13 posted on 04/19/2013 3:03:12 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Second Amendment First

You bitches at the Washington Post pushed for this crap. Eat it!!


14 posted on 04/19/2013 3:03:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Second Amendment First

Every time I see a story like this, I am reminded of an account I read about Roman society after the defeat and capture by the Persians of Emperor Valerian. According to the accounts, Rome freaked out about the defeat and capture of their emperor. The result was several additional layers of bureaucracy and more spies in Roman communities to inform on other Romans or to dig out Persian spies. It was viewed as a turning point at which the Roman Empire became much more totalitarian.


15 posted on 04/19/2013 3:03:33 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Alberta's Child

You are not obligated to stay inside...


16 posted on 04/19/2013 3:03:35 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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17 posted on 04/19/2013 3:03:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Jim Robinson

WP, accessories to murder.


18 posted on 04/19/2013 3:04:52 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Second Amendment First
I know you have to weigh different considerations, but now we have sent terrorists the message that not only will one of our major cities be shut down but several surrounding towns. And who knows what tomorrow?

The kill count (but not major maiming injuries which should not be minimized) was much higher with those Wash, DC snipers. Did they shut anything down? No. Why not?

19 posted on 04/19/2013 3:05:56 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Sacajaweau

I was referring to the other incidents described in the prior post, not this particular situation. Sorry for the confusion there.


20 posted on 04/19/2013 3:06:01 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

got that right.

It’s showing more and more the police screwed this up,..

The only reason why they came to light is because of a failed car jacking but how did they get away with all the cops out on the street, hell bozo and his free loading wife was less than half a mile away from the bombers.

All the cops out there, cell phone service shut down, transport shut down all over the city, taxis nothing at sometimes and they still have not got him.

bozo right now is shouting kill him so he does not have to put up with where to charge him, under what charges, what courts and dead people cannot talk.

All this regime wants to do is to focus on ripping the constitution, social justice and have concerts and dinners and vacations.

The media have been truly awful, less than a year, here, more than a year, went to school, went out of the country, they then look for hero’s yet again, praise Obama who has not done a damn thing, interview idiots who know these terrorists and I must say they are idiots whom think it’s cool to know him and think this is a laugh or something.


21 posted on 04/19/2013 3:06:40 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

If we had more Congress Critters with balls, they could use this to advantage on the immigration issue. Seal the borders and deport all the riff raff that shouldn’t be here anyway.


22 posted on 04/19/2013 3:06:54 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Truth29

I’m sure they checked in with CAIR and the local Imams , that’s if they have checked these mosques and did they take their shows off before going on and was women not allowed in and were the dogs told to stay outside?

Everything about this is too fishy now, car chase, shoot out, thousands of cops, city shut down and still he;s out there.


23 posted on 04/19/2013 3:09:06 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Second Amendment First

I’m sorry, but I don’t care much for this loudmouth state cop. I thought he was out of line yesterday in his presser, and today he’s toned it down, but still. Something not very impressive about him. Seems like another guy that thinks we work for him, not the other way around.


24 posted on 04/19/2013 3:09:20 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Second Amendment First

Is door to door warrentless searches by military police, Federal ATF, SWAT, and Watertown police in keeping with the 4th ammendment? What records are they keeping? This guy had a gun? This guy had drug paraphenalia on his coffee table?
Just wondering aloud any legal beagles out there?


25 posted on 04/19/2013 3:09:28 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Truth29

It’s Friday. I’m sure searching Mosques is a no no.


26 posted on 04/19/2013 3:09:32 PM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: manc

Massive screwup, yes.
The fugitive has probably committed suicide by now and they’re not looking in the dirty river, the sewers, or the mosques. But I repeat myself.


27 posted on 04/19/2013 3:10:15 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Second Amendment First

Sheltering in Place is the DHS term at their buildings as a place of shelter with-in the building during an “Occurrence”

They have just migrated it and with the medias help pushed it onto to the populous.

For this event many are OK with it and so far no one has challenged it.

Cops are definitely talking now about how long can we keep the public at bay and locked in?
Not long although this is MASS and they wouldn’t say shit if they had a mouth full and there mouths have be full for a long time.


28 posted on 04/19/2013 3:10:19 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Trainning...Good Point


29 posted on 04/19/2013 3:11:49 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Second Amendment First; manc
Just wait till all the muslim recruits in the ghetto figure out that that impressive show of force is quickly diluted when tasked to dozens of neighborhoods.

I'm sure that terrorists-in-waiting are already doing calculations. Two men without any particular training or plan of escape created a war zone in the middle of a large city. One hasn't been found yet - and he has no illusions about his survival.

A hundred of such teams - if not just ten - can easily bring the martial law upon us all. Cui bono? The list would be long.

The Mumbai attack was the first that used this new style of terrorism, one that borders on a military incursion. Those attacks are devastating. Expect to see more of them.

30 posted on 04/19/2013 3:12:15 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Jim Robinson

Boston is a liberal city, full of girlie guys and boyish looking women, students and radical left overs from the 60[s.

Yet these two get radical but saying that when you hang out in Cambridge probably the most communist city in the country then maybe it’s the left wing talk blame America which got him to where he is.

Boston supported terrorism, gave money and guns to terrorists called the IRA, those guns and money was used to kill people in the UK and now Boston has reaped what it supported.
I have been in bars there when people come up and ask for money for their so called political prisoners in the IRA.

Notice Jim how the diversity PC tolerant crowd there tackled a Saudi guy because in their words he was hurt and was trying to get away.
Sounds like racial profiling to me.


31 posted on 04/19/2013 3:12:48 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: greeneyes

oh I agree but sadly we don’t have a party with any balls, and when we do get someone with guts like Sarah, Col West etc then the stupid party knocks them down.

bozo is right now trying to get his anti gun and pro illegal immigration bills back on track, never let a crisis go to waste for them


32 posted on 04/19/2013 3:14:10 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Second Amendment First

We are seeing how sheep in big, liberal cities react to their fascist shepherds.


33 posted on 04/19/2013 3:15:11 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: t1b8zs

I would assume although the city is issuing orders in effect they are not being enforced and the “lockdown” is voluntary except in areas where they have active crime scenes. Most people probably are staying inside because they want to. If police are searching homes etc without a warrant that is a different story...


34 posted on 04/19/2013 3:15:50 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: HomeAtLast

his brother got over kill and with all those rounds going down then surely he must have been hit unless his brother stood there to let little other get away but either way the first thing we do in the military in a shoot out is sort out angles, and cuts offs.

Seems these keystone cops have not done either and just go to door to door searching


35 posted on 04/19/2013 3:16:11 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Greysard

agree, this is getting embarrassing a whole city even locked down for how long and the only reason why these two surfaced is because of a failed car jacking where they still got away.

Imagine if these were proper trained Chechens and they had cells in 10 large cities now.

Do a bombing, stay off the airwaves, no social media or calling.


36 posted on 04/19/2013 3:18:50 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc
I take it they have checked all mosques

That would be racial profiling and our First Muslim President will never allow that.

The fact that the Muzzies put nails and ball bearings in the bomb has nothing to do with their religion.

See the Atlanta Olympic bombings to see that is what Muzzies do. Oh, I forgot, Americans don't know Atlanta was a middle Eastern terrorist attack. Forget I said that.

37 posted on 04/19/2013 3:19:05 PM PDT by politicianslie (Most Americans can't even recognize massive election fraud. Our first Muslim President laughs at you)
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To: HomeAtLast

That reminds me of an incident in Tucson a few years back. Some guy went off his meds, killed one person then was “at large”, they shut down a big chunk of the city, including my path home from a movie, many hours later they found that he’d killed himself... in his own apartment... adjacent to where he killed the other guy. I got a buck that says the first cop that said “hey did anybody check his apartment” got fired.


38 posted on 04/19/2013 3:19:24 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: manc

I heard someone on Fox say that some of the blood found at the scene was tested and matches the suspect who is still at large. So... it sounds like he was indeed wounded.... and perhaps laying dead under some shrub somewhere around there. Perhaps he’s under my sister’s porch... her house is right there in the middle of everything.


39 posted on 04/19/2013 3:20:01 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Second Amendment First

Listen my Children, and you shall hear,

how two jihadi punks kept us in fear.

It was the 18th of April in twenty-thirteen, when two jihadi brothers, 26 and 19,

Made a million+ of us shelter-in-place,
Too scared to dare show our face.
Our country is in danger of becoming a disgrace.


40 posted on 04/19/2013 3:20:34 PM PDT by steerpike100
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To: erlayman

Yea but if it went on much longer which as of now 4/19/13@18:19 it wont. My point is if it did how ling would the Mass libs tolerate it.Hum?


41 posted on 04/19/2013 3:21:05 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: steerpike100

Good one


42 posted on 04/19/2013 3:21:41 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Second Amendment First

I can’t believe people are just letting them in their houses to “search”. What’s wrong with those people???


43 posted on 04/19/2013 3:23:22 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (We're going to need a bigger boat!)
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To: manc

Well, here’s a great reply : We don’t need no more stinkin restrictions on guns, what’s next? Restrictions on pressure cookers?

How about this: Restrict people from invading our country, enforce our existing laws, improve the mental health system, and clean out every gang-infested rat hole including the illegal cartel affiliated illegal aliens.

Pass a law requireing every able bodied responsible person to obtain a gun, and learn how to use it?????

It works for me anyway.


44 posted on 04/19/2013 3:23:29 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: manc

Perhaps they should ask the local post offices how long a complete days routing takes.

Military forces go to great lengths to hide their numbers or convince the enemy they are bigger than they really are. The civilian police bring out everything but the kitchen sink, so eager are they to play with their toys, thus voluntarily ceding a huge strategic edge.


45 posted on 04/19/2013 3:23:34 PM PDT by relictele
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To: Second Amendment First

Coming to a major city near you. NYC, Chicago, LA. Detroit, not so much—it already looks like the aftermath of a war.


46 posted on 04/19/2013 3:27:01 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: greeneyes

works for me too green eyes.


47 posted on 04/19/2013 3:28:09 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

This is happening more and more. There is an accident with fatalities on a major highway near me and they shut down the entire freakin highway for hours. There is a protest in the city and the police shut down blocks around it. I appreciate that the police have a hard job and are trying to protect the population, but it is overkill.


It’s not overkill. It’s thugs showing whose “turf” we live on.


48 posted on 04/19/2013 3:29:33 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

“Never let a crisis go to waste” The police view this as: PRACTICE.


And OVERTIME.


49 posted on 04/19/2013 3:30:23 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: swamprebel
Is door to door warrentless searches by military police, Federal ATF, SWAT, and Watertown police in keeping with the 4th ammendment?

Probably they are good. Nobody can deny that they have a good reason to locate the fugitive. They probably have a warrant that says "Search for this guy anywhere within Boston and suburbs" - and that warrant is good enough at this time. (Nobody can be expected to do better.)

What records are they keeping? This guy had a gun? This guy had drug paraphenalia on his coffee table?

That shouldn't be a concern for two reasons.

Legally, they are searching for a specific man. This warrant says nothing about searching premises for drugs or firearms. The plain view doctrine still may be used, however, because the visit by the LEO would be otherwise lawful.

But practically, they cannot stop and arrest people for minor violations. The police doesn't have enough resources as they are to search the whole city. Just imagine what would the police commanders be screaming into their radios if their officers start wasting their time citing people for $100 warrants or for a gram or two of pot while the mass murderer is making his escape. I don't think SWAT teams are even set up to run subjects and to do investigations on the spot. It's a job of a beat cop.

50 posted on 04/19/2013 3:30:46 PM PDT by Greysard
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