Skip to comments.Did the FBI hold back good images of the bomb suspects at their new conference?
Posted on 04/20/2013 9:49:07 AM PDT by dragnet2
On Monday 4/15/2013 Two bombs explode near the finish line of the Boston marathon, killing three and wounding nearly 180.
On Thursday 4/18/2013 the FBI released marginal pictures, images and video of two men suspected of involvement in the attacks, appealing to the public to help identify them.
It seems clear now, the FBI were unable to ID the suspects, so they went public on 4/18/2013.
Within hours a campus police officer is shot to death.
However, within a very short time after the news conference, possibly less than an hour or so, the FBI then released near perfect images. In fact, they were frontal, easily identifiable, near perfect closeup images of the two suspects.
If you recall, directly after the news conference the FBI and media made it clear the FBI had much better images/video of the suspects. We've all seen them now, they are near perfect frontal images of the suspects
If this is all in fact true, it begs the question: Why did they not release these high quality frontal face images/video during the news conference when they appealed to the public for help identifying the suspect?
This seems a bit odd.
Perhaps people who knew the perps called in after seeing the first grainy photos. Once the FBI had names of the guys they were able to obtain better photos.
Or people sent in the pictures when they noticed the dirtbags in them.
I'm not saying it's true, but after Fast & Furious (and Benghazi) I'm much more inclined to listen to conspiracy theories.
Yes, they did.
I was listening to the police scanner Thursday night. A police officer mentioned to someone at HQ that he had seen a very good photo in the hands of another law enforcement agency. The person at HQ radioed back and asked if he was able to get a copy. The police officer said that the other LEA had refused to give him a copy.
Exact quote from the HQ guy in response:
“That’s just outstanding. Let me make a phone call.”
I heard this firsthand on the scanner sometime between 11pm and 12am EST.
What the FBI didn’t want was a flood of calls from all over the world about sightings so, they released images with just enough resolution that anyone knowing the terrorists, especially the younger one would be able to recognize him.
Of course they did .. kowtowing, politically appointed brass, whose ‘professional’ lives are entirely dependent on the whims of the halfrican usurper, the Cøward in chief, our very own Muzz Muppet @ 1600
If that is in fact true, it was never once revealed or reported.
Like all good government functionaries, they were answering their highest calling, protecting their turf. To admit outright that they were helpless and needed the assistance of John Q. Public damages their image.
I heard they got good photos from the ATM machine or 7-11 where car hijacked.
The FBI should’ve figured out who it was just from the video they did have, without needing any public help. He was on the FBI’s radar screen since 2011 and after he returned from Russia for terroist activities.
The uncle sure doesn’t sound like he has any love for his nephews. He called them useless and pathetic.
didn’t need them I guess
As I commented on the thread where the FBI images were posted, there were already a number of FAR better images all over the internet. The FBI images were blurred and taken from a bad angle. It was obviously deliberate.
And...somebodies ex-wife, girlfriend or just the idiot that doesn’t like someone.
That was after their appeal to the public, news conference.
Because the FBI and DHS are utterly incompetent...or worse, negligent...
The answer to your question is spelled out in this article:
With his Nikon, Leonard snapped about 10 to 20 photos a minute Monday, capturing group after group of finishing runners and the crowds lining the route.
Three days later, when the FBI released images of the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing, Leonard used the time stamp shown on them to narrow his search of the hundreds of photos he had taken that day. He realized that he, too, had photos of the faces of the two men authorities were searching for.
He uploaded them to the FBI and Friday morning, he saw his cropped photos all over the morning news.
“That finally gave them a good facial picture,” the 58-year-old electrical engineer said. “It was a pretty good breakthrough.”
The two men were later identified as brothers, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed in shootout with police overnight Friday, and 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, distinctive in his backward white baseball cap. The younger man was captured Friday night after a daylong siege of a Boston suburb.
“They actually stood in that corner for quite a bit of time,” Leonard of Taunton, Mass., said of the men, just before the younger brother was caught.
After combing the digital images, he was sure he had something the FBI could use. He tried to upload them to an FBI site that it had asked the public to use. Then he called the hotline number and was on hold for about 40 minutes, the response was so overwhelming. He finally got an FBI spokesman, who told him to upload them to another site. Within 20 minutes, someone from the Department of Homeland Security called him back.
“They were on the news ... clear pictures of the two subjects and those were the pictures that I sent in,” said Leonard, who started photography as a hobby when his sons played high school sports.
There will be some “splaining” to do on this matter.
It looked like the photos pinned to the easels in the press conference, when they released the blurred pictures to the public, were much clearer. I have no idea why they would not want to release the best photos that they had. What I don’t understand is why they did not use facial recognition software to compare the photos taken at the Marathon, with the photos already on file with the US government. The younger terrorist is a US Citizen, so he has to have at least a passport photo in a database. The older terrorist was under some kind of suspicion in 2011, so you would assume that he would have his picture on file as well. Does LE not have the capability to access it’s own database of photos? It just does not make sense!
He uploaded them to the FBI and Friday morning??
I don't recall them saying someone gave us a big tip.
It would be interesting to learn the number and density of calls that originated from near where the terrorists lived and hanged out versus all of Boston and regional areas such as Providence and Nashua.
I would say the short guy = the short guy, and the one with the yellow stripe is probably taking the group photo. The one in the grey jacket looks like the dishrag in the very back of the group.
I don’t think the guy behind white hat is the brother in that picture. I have a high res picture that shows he has a red armed jacket. He also looks Oriental like the woman next to him. Shape of his face doesn’t match.
In fact, it will be interesting to find out:
1. Exactly when did the FBI obtained the video? I would suspect within hours of the bombing.
2. When did the FBI determined which people in the crowd were the suspects? I would bet that night after the bombing.
3. How long did they wait to go public for help in identifying the suspects?
If they waited 2 1/2 days, why did they wait so long? Would the police officer still be alive if they had gone to the public for help earlier?
From the second link -
In 1995, al Qaeda setup a camp in Chechnyaordered by Osama bin Ladento train international terrorists to carry out plots against Americans and westerners. Bin Laden liked Chechens because they were Caucasian, and thus would more easily blend into Western populations than Arab jihadists. Chechens are also known for their militant adherence to Islamic jihad
Bin Laden himself used Chechens as his personal bodyguards.
Why has everyone ruled out more than 2 bombers or more than 1 team of bombers?
Covering his own arze?
BINGO..so why did they need help from the public? It’s because they didn’t want the public to find out so quickly that they already knew who this guy was and screwed up by not detaining him in 2011!
And, they wanted to divert from the Saudi connection as best they can? I can’t shake the thought that there were more people involved than just these two brothers. And, I can’t shake the thought that the Saudi kid that is being deported is connected.
They waited til Obama skipped town to release anything. That part irritates me to no end
Was there not a $50,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the perpetrators of the Boston Marathon bombings?
Did this person or persons who tipped off the FBI receive the reward? Maybe I missed it.