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Maher to Guest Defending Islam in Wake of Boston Bombings: 'That's Liberal ####'
NewsBusters.org ^ | April 20, 2013 | Noel Sheppard

Posted on 04/20/2013 11:10:43 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never seen this before but I love it!


51 posted on 04/20/2013 12:47:19 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

It is you that should learn some history. I don’t think Maher was referring to the Crusades but to the mass slaughter between Catholics and Protestants not to mention the torture chambers operated by the church. Christians were killing Christians. Heretics and women were being burned alive in the name of Christ. People who thought the earth was round were killed! Modern Christians must disassociate themselves from the crimes of the Christians of the Middle Ages.


52 posted on 04/20/2013 12:48:37 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: dfwgator; irishtenor
I really badly want to curse about that

&&&@*&$*( Bush senior to *&@#)*$)#

Saddam was a mean, evil son of a .... but he was a secular, mean, evil, son of a ......

If we hadn't stuck our nose in (thank you Bush senior!) Saddam would right now have crushed Iran with Saudi and Qatari money and Al Qaeda would be crushed.

christians in Syria and Iraq would be safe and the Ayatollahs would be out of power in Iran and the Saudis would have to bow to Saddam

Why did we butt in?

Idiots, idiots, idiots

And the road to 9/11 starts in 1991. Osama used the "stationing of Infidel troops on the Holy Land of Saudi Arabia" as reason for 9/.11

53 posted on 04/20/2013 12:51:50 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: FredZarguna; MrsEmmaPeel
let's trace the Huguenots, shall we. In france, under Francis I, France was tolerant of all religious views

however, what did the Huguenots do? In the affair of the placards they posted placards all over Paris and even on the bedchamber door of the king (a security breach that angered him and made him change his tolerance position) -- these placards were attacks on Catholics.

So, instead of discussing, the Huguenots went to attack the Catholic majority who until then were content to let them live and debate and discuss and debate. Incidently, until this time the Huguenots were increasing, like the Moslems in Bradford, but then they started to get shrill and wake people up with their attacks

This polemic was an attack and the Huguenots started this retaliation.This was in 1534

Next, came the French wars of religion in which the Huguenots conspired against the King. This, added to the previous attack meant that they now publically came to attack the conservative forces. The progressives of the Huguenots were the precursors of the Revolutionaires

The people who became Huguenots were primarily the urban elite, like our present-day New Yorkers who take a fad and they saw that this was a means to oppose the King, so Huguenotism became a political tool

A group of Huguenots tried to kidnap the Prince Francis II when his father died -- causing more antagonism.

Huguenots in 1560 attacked Catholic Churchs and destroyed properties in Rouen and La Rochelle -- thus the FIRST salvo was lobbed by the Huguenots. -- the Catholics retailiated with mobs at seeing their places of worship attacked and defiled by Huguenots

Next, in 1562-70, we have the wars -- now political-religious, so no, it was not a simple case of "persecution" --> The Huguenots were one side of a civil war, which they lost

Now, let's come to the juicy part, the St. Bart's day massacre -- this occured in 1572, 40 years after the first provocations by the Huguenots and 12 years after they started destroying Catholic Churchs (just like the Moslems in America they were quiet until their numbers grew)

now, King Charles XI was openly in favor of the Huguenots -- so a political moment. Hence the attacks on the opposing side

So, let's see in conclusion -- Huguenots first start their provocations in 1534, then in 1560 start attacking Catholic Churchs (with no provocation), then start their political support against the conservatives and start a civil war. After 12 years their side loses the civil war and yet they are still allowed to live and practise their faith (note this is the 1500s, not a nice time, yet they get this tolerance) -- but they still play political intrigues. So, one faction starts to attack and massacre the other faction

so, stop the entire "poor persecuted Huguenots" -- they brought it on themselves.

54 posted on 04/20/2013 12:53:31 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: FredZarguna; MrsEmmaPeel

And lets see more about these Huguenots. They went to South Africa to set up the apartheid system, they went to Prussia to form the beginnings of the Prussian system which directly led to Naziism...


55 posted on 04/20/2013 12:55:46 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Kaslin

A cogent moment. I’ll give him that. Nothing more.


56 posted on 04/20/2013 12:56:56 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: FredZarguna

You are such a tool. So far the muzzies have killed but a mere fraction of what Middle Ages Christians did. Don’t forget there are no statistics for the number of deaths in the Christian torture chambers. I’m not proud of the Church’s past but you can’t just ignore it. Men really are sinners and we are just as bad as the muzzies. Don’t cast stones!


57 posted on 04/20/2013 1:02:07 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Cronos

So what’s your point? Christians were fighting Christians. End of story. Sad


58 posted on 04/20/2013 1:04:50 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: bjc

They can’t do that and remain faithful to Islam. It is a cult of conquest.


59 posted on 04/20/2013 1:06:37 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: AuntB

“LEVIN: Well, I guess I have a girl for you, Pam Geller you could maybe meet.“

How many people has Pam Geller killed?


60 posted on 04/20/2013 1:10:57 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: rwa265

“How many people has Pam Geller killed?”

I think you know that Pam Geller has killed no one, what ARE you talking about?


61 posted on 04/20/2013 1:15:55 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: clintonh8r

I completely agree. Much as I detest Maher, he has credibility with a lot of liberal moonbats. If he continues speaking up like this (and at personal risk, as you noted), it may help erode some of the PC that’s putting our nation in continuing jeopardy from Islamopsychos.


62 posted on 04/20/2013 1:17:46 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: DManA

You’re right, during the Middle Ages, I would say Christianity was the bigger problem.

We are starting to realize that the reason there was a middle [dark] age is because Islam terror drove Christendom into it.
...........

Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited:
The History of a Controversy
by Emmet Scott
New English Review Press · 2012 · 270 pages
$19.95 · Kindle version $9.95

Mohammed & Charlemagne Revisited by Emmet Scott

Throughout the coastal areas surrounding the Mediterranean Sea, archaeologists have uncovered a layer of subsoil that was deposited over a period of three hundred years beginning in the middle of the seventh century AD.

This stratum, named the “Younger Fill” by the geologist Claudio Vita-Finzi, covers the ruins of all the major cities and settlements that were established along the Mediterranean littoral during classical antiquity. It stands as a coda to Graeco-Roman civilization. For three centuries after the year 650 the archaeology of the region is all but barren. Wastelands or severely diminished primitive settlements have replaced the formerly great cities of the Roman Empire and the Near East.

One might surmise that the Younger Fill is the result of some yet unidentified climatic trauma that afflicted the entire Mediterranean basin. However, the same phenomenon has been observed in an entirely different watershed: Mesopotamia, the land drained by the Tigris and Euphrates in what is now Iraq, and also including the coastal regions adjoining the Persian Gulf.

During the same period — from the middle of the seventh century until the middle of the tenth — archaeology in the entirety of Europe and the Middle East virtually disappears. This civilizational interruption might be thought a result of the Dark Ages in Europe, except for the fact that it includes areas of the Middle East which were never part of the Roman Empire, and where advanced cultures independent of Rome and Greece had flourished.

What all these areas have in common, of course, is that they were conquered by the Arabs during the initial period of Islamic expansion, when the Near East, North Africa, and Iberia were subjugated within the space of less than a century.

Islam came to the Mediterranean and left as its principal legacy the Younger Fill.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2012/08/who-really-killed-the-pax-romana/


63 posted on 04/20/2013 1:21:31 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited:
The History of a Controversy
by Emmet Scott
New English Review Press · 2012 · 270 pages
$19.95 · Kindle version $9.95

Mohammed & Charlemagne Revisited by Emmet Scott

Throughout the coastal areas surrounding the Mediterranean Sea, archaeologists have uncovered a layer of subsoil that was deposited over a period of three hundred years beginning in the middle of the seventh century AD.

This stratum, named the “Younger Fill” by the geologist Claudio Vita-Finzi, covers the ruins of all the major cities and settlements that were established along the Mediterranean littoral during classical antiquity. It stands as a coda to Graeco-Roman civilization. For three centuries after the year 650 the archaeology of the region is all but barren. Wastelands or severely diminished primitive settlements have replaced the formerly great cities of the Roman Empire and the Near East.

One might surmise that the Younger Fill is the result of some yet unidentified climatic trauma that afflicted the entire Mediterranean basin. However, the same phenomenon has been observed in an entirely different watershed: Mesopotamia, the land drained by the Tigris and Euphrates in what is now Iraq, and also including the coastal regions adjoining the Persian Gulf.

During the same period — from the middle of the seventh century until the middle of the tenth — archaeology in the entirety of Europe and the Middle East virtually disappears. This civilizational interruption might be thought a result of the Dark Ages in Europe, except for the fact that it includes areas of the Middle East which were never part of the Roman Empire, and where advanced cultures independent of Rome and Greece had flourished.

What all these areas have in common, of course, is that they were conquered by the Arabs during the initial period of Islamic expansion, when the Near East, North Africa, and Iberia were subjugated within the space of less than a century.

Islam came to the Mediterranean and left as its principal legacy the Younger Fill.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2012/08/who-really-killed-the-pax-romana/


64 posted on 04/20/2013 1:22:29 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: Kaslin
Blind chipmunk.
Nut. Law of averages
65 posted on 04/20/2013 1:23:07 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Promotional Fee Paid for by "Ouchies" The Sharp, Prickly Toy You Bathe With!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Levin’s a Media Scumbag — so’s Maher, but he’s actually speaking the truth. Thanks Kaslin.

MAHER: They just, they’re not as dangerous. I mean, there’s only one faith, for example, that kills you or wants to kill you if you draw a bad cartoon of the prophet. There’s only one faith that kills you or wants to kill you if you renounce the faith. An ex-Muslim is a very dangerous thing. Talk to Salman Rushdie after the show about Christian versus Islam. So, you know, I’m just saying, let’s keep it real.

LEVIN: Well, I guess I have a girl for you, Pam Geller you could maybe meet. No, I really disagree with you.


66 posted on 04/20/2013 1:36:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
there was equal and violent push back by the Church in the form of the Inquisition.

Are you referring to the Spanish Inquisition?

Recent scholarship debunks much of "The Black Legend."

67 posted on 04/20/2013 1:51:30 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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sidebars on FR:
68 posted on 04/20/2013 2:09:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Cronos
That's the Roman side of the story. If, for the sake of advancing a hypothetical I accept any of it as true, here are your salient points:

Your silly "argument" puts me in the mind of a claim by I once read on a Roman Church message board that William Tyndale was not murdered by the Roman Church [yes, he was] and that his crime was not in creating an English language version of the Bible, but in creating an unauthorized version of the Bible: Just so. People pretending to have the authority over other Christians in matters of conscience encourage their extermination, and then claim they got what was coming to them. This is typical of the Roman Church, and its excusers persist to this day.

69 posted on 04/20/2013 2:14:26 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Which, sadly, Duane did not get to live to see.)
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To: New Jersey Realist
Nonsense. Document what you're claiming. The Crusades were a response to centuries of rape, torture, forced conversion and murder by Muslims. CENTURIES. We have a rough idea of how many people were murdered as witches and heretics in Christian Europe, and it isn't even close.

But in any event, you are missing a fundamental point: When Christians kill in the name of their religion, they are committing a heretical and terrible sin. When Muslims kill in the name of their religion, they are obeying scriptural injunctions to do so.

There are only two places in this world, according to Muslims: the Dar al-Islam, those places where Islam has conquered, and the Dar al-Harb, everywhere else. What does Dar al-Harb mean? It means "The Land of War." Try translating that into an equivalence with "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword." I'll be glad to wait.

70 posted on 04/20/2013 2:22:38 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Which, sadly, Duane did not get to live to see.)
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To: Cronos
This is not even an argument, any more than the claim that Reform Christians and their ideas eventually led to the creation of the United States of America, a country in whose formation the Roman Church played virtually no role.

See how it works?

71 posted on 04/20/2013 2:28:25 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Which, sadly, Duane did not get to live to see.)
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To: Kaslin; Liz; sickoflibs

This is one amazing read... Bill Maher doing ‘conservative’... and honest... cool read.

LEVIN: There are no Christian hypocrites?

MAHER: No, there are.

LEVIN: You make a career on that.

MAHER: They just, they’re not as dangerous. I mean, there’s only one faith, for example, that kills you or wants to kill you if you draw a bad cartoon of the prophet. There’s only one faith that kills you or wants to kill you if you renounce the faith. An ex-Muslim is a very dangerous thing. Talk to Salman Rushdie after the show about Christian versus Islam. So, you know, I’m just saying, let’s keep it real.

LEVIN: Well, I guess I have a girl for you, Pam Geller you could maybe meet. No, I really disagree with you.

MAHER: I don’t know what that means.

LEVIN: Well, she’s an Islamaphobe. But, no I…

MAHER: I’m not an Islamaphobe. That’s wrong. I am a truth lover. All religions are not alike. As many people have pointed out, “The Book of Mormon.” Did you see the show?

LEVIN: No, it’s hard to get tickets.

MAHER: Okay, can you imagine if they did “The Book of Islam?” Could they do that? There’s only one religion that threatens violence and carries it out for things like that. Could they do “The Book of Islam” on Broadway?

LEVIN: Possibly so.

MAHER: Possibly so? Tell me what color the sky is in your world.


72 posted on 04/20/2013 2:38:18 PM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: Hardraade

What color is the sky in his world? Great line - he lives the with Unicorns.


73 posted on 04/20/2013 2:40:22 PM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: Kaslin

74 posted on 04/20/2013 3:04:56 PM PDT by Perseverando (The truth is hate to those who hate the truth.)
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To: New Jersey Realist
Men really are sinners and we are just as bad as the muzzies.
Don’t cast stones!

Really?
You stand by that statement?

75 posted on 04/20/2013 3:21:41 PM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: Kaslin; DManA; wardaddy; pepsionice; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; Impy; InterceptPoint; randita; ...
Is it possible the far more reasonable person that existed in the '90s with a program on Comedy Central called Politically Incorrect is starting to reemerge after more than a decade of hibernation?

The "Politically Correct" program Maher did which I recall was not on Comedy Central, but on ABC late weeknights. Was he a "far more reasonable person" then? Maybe at rare times, but let's not forget that he got cancelled on ABC after referring to the 9/11 terrorists who flew the planes into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon as "courageous"!

Separately, as fan of Mark Levin on the radio, I happen to admit that reading this Levin's remarks caught me off guard for a second, but obviously he has no connection to Mark. Never heard of this Levin before, but he obviously thinks he's witty when he insultingly mentions Pam Geller as a possible girlfriend for Maher.

76 posted on 04/20/2013 3:35:17 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Kaslin

“Is there hope for Bill Maher?”

I seriously doubt it, unless he has a major life-changing event that would swing him away from the extreme left.

I’m not holding my breath.


77 posted on 04/20/2013 3:38:57 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Kaslin
We don't need the likes of Mahar on our side of anything, just like we don't need baby rapers on our side.

If Maher turns conservative, he will be the Liberal’s poster boy conservative. I don't want to be associated with him whether he is right or wrong.

However, it is amusing to watch a Liberal squirm over Liberalism's inexcusable defense of an ideology of murder, rape, misogyny, slavery, & racism.

78 posted on 04/20/2013 3:43:28 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is funny. Thanks. I’m going to send it to my sister. She’s married to a Woody Allen type.


79 posted on 04/20/2013 3:54:43 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Kaslin

He is just a broken clock right twice in a day. Not even that! He is more correct say twice in a year. An amusing segment but hardly one to do cartwheels over.


80 posted on 04/20/2013 4:01:26 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: wardaddy

You do know that praying for people like Mare is as much for you as it is for him. He makes my blood boil as much as anyone, can’t stand the guy. Praying for people like him helps me to let the negativity go and maybe it will help them become better people. It’s worth a try, anyway.


81 posted on 04/20/2013 4:07:56 PM PDT by CityCenter (No matter how good your PR is, you can't outsmart the truth.)
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To: Kazan
You nailed him big time.

Most atheists (apparently including Maher) have no clue about the multiple millions, truly over a hundred million, that have died at the hand of an atheist ideology.

Their belief in their own self enlightenment helps them forget the cost of their delusions.

82 posted on 04/20/2013 7:03:52 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!


83 posted on 04/20/2013 8:54:58 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: bjc

Is Hannity capable of eviscerating anyone (not named Colmes) in an argument?


84 posted on 04/20/2013 9:10:15 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: CityCenter

I’m southern baptist

We aren’t taught praying for others benefits us

We pray for others cause its right

I will pray for our enemies as we kill them

If I remember in the course if events and all

Really...you have at it

Soon enough when it gets bad enough you might forget to


85 posted on 04/20/2013 9:11:05 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: DManA
There were 463 years between Mohammed’s death in 632 AD and the calling of a Crusade to free lands that had been Christian before the Muslim invaders arrived; but to hear what passes for common “knowledge” [from self-hating Christians at that!], the whole affair was solely the fault of power-hungry popes, greedy soldiers of fortune, and Christians who were persecuting harmless, pious Muslims minding their own business. Muslims are only too happy to help Christians perpetuate this mea maxima culpa attitude. Stenhouse[see note below] lists only some of the events that took place in those 463 years, among them, 633 – Mesopotamia falls to Muslim invasion, followed by the entire Persian Empire 635 – Damascus falls 638 – Jerusalem capitulates 643 – Alexandria falls, ending 1,000 years of Hellenic civilization 648-49 – Cyprus falls 653 – Rhodes falls 673 – Constantinople attacked 698 – All of North Africa lost 711 – Spain invaded 717 – Muslims attack Constantinople again; repelled by Emperor Leo the Isaurian 721 – Saragossa falls, Muslims sights on southern France 720 – Narbonne falls 732 – Bordeaux was stormed and its churches burnt down 732 – Charles Martel and his Frankish army defeat Muslims, turning back the Muslim tide 732 – Attacks on France continued 734 – Avignon captured by an Muslim force 743 – Lyons sacked 759 – Arabs driven out of Narbonne 800 – Muslims incursions into Italy begin, Islands of Ponza and Ischia plundered 813 – Civitavecchia, the port of Rome sacked 826 – Crete falls to Muslim forces 827 – Muslim forces begin to attack Sicily 837 – Naples repels a Muslim attack 838 – Marseilles taken 840 – Bari falls 842 – Messina captured and Strait of Messina controlled 846 – Muslims squadrons arrived at Ostia, at the Tiber's mouth, sack Rome and St. Peter’s Basilica 846 – Taranto in Apulia conquered by Muslim forces 849 – Papal forces repel Muslim fleet at the mouth of the Tiber 853 – 871 – Italian coast from Bari down to Reggio Calabria controlled, Muslims terrorize Southern Italy 859 – Muslims take control of all Messina 870 – Malta captured 870 – Bari recaptured from the Muslims by Emperor Louis II 872 – Emperor Louis II defeats a Saracen fleet off Capua 872 – Muslim forces devastate Calabria 878 – Syracuse falls after a nine-month siege 879 – Pope John VIII forced to pay tribute of 25,000 mancuses (AUD$625,000) annually to the Muslims 880 – Byzantine Commanders gain victory over Saracen forces at Naples 881 – Muslims capture fortress near Anzio, plunder surrounding countryside with impunity for forty [40] years 887 – Muslim armies take Hysela and Amasia, in Asia Minor 889 – Toulon captured 902 – Muslim fleets sacked and destroyed Demetrias in Thessaly, Central Greece 904 – Thessalonica falls to Muslim forces 915 – After three months of blockade, Christian forces victorious against Saracens holed-up in their fortresses north of Naples 921 – English pilgrims to Rome crushed to death under rocks rolled down on them by Saracens in the passes of the Alps 934 – Genoa attacked by Muslim forces 935 – Genoa taken 972 – Saracens finally driven from Faxineto 976 – Caliphs of Egypt send fresh Muslim expeditions into southern Italy. Initially the German Emperor Otho II , who had set up his headquarters in Rome, successfully defeated these Saracen forces 977 – Sergius, Archbishop of Damascus, expelled from his See by Muslims 982 – Emperor Otho’s forces ambushed and his army defeated 1003 – Muslims from Spain sack Antibes 1003-09 – Marauding bands of Saracens plunder Italian coast from Pisa to Rome from bases on Sardinia 1005 – Muslims from Spain sack Pisa 1009 – Caliph of Egypt orders destruction of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, the Tomb of Jesus 1010 – Saracens seize Cosenza in southern Italy 1015 – All Sardinia falls 1016 – Muslims from Spain again sack Pisa 1017 – Fleets of Pisa and Genoa sail for Sardinia, find Saracens crucifying Christians, drive Saracen leader out. Saracens try to re-take Sardinia until 1050 1020 – Muslims from Spain sack Narbonne 1095 – The First Crusade. While the pope has apologized for the Crusades, Muslims have never so much as acknowledged any responsibility. Why? Note: For additional reading, see “The Crusades In Context” by Dr Paul Stenhouse
86 posted on 04/20/2013 11:10:14 PM PDT by sbark
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To: Kaslin

The Left will eventually follow the path of national socialism.

Step One is giving up pacifism.

Maher hints he could be at that point.


87 posted on 04/20/2013 11:13:23 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: FredZarguna
Actually, that's the factual side of the story. There is no "Roman side" as the Roman Empire did not exist in the 15th century

1. you say it was generous of the French king to allow those to practise a faith different from that of the monarch -- that generosity was not practised in England or the Scandanavian countries...
2. These were not Christians who defiled Churches.
2b. There were no "Roman mobs" -- do read your history, the Roman Empire ended in the West in 453 AD. And do learn some geography, this was France, not Roma
3. There was no murder -- evidently you didn't read in 1562-70, we have the wars -- now political-religious, so no, it was not a simple case of "persecution" --> The Huguenots were one side of a civil war, which they lost -- the losing side in a civil war gets killed.

88 posted on 04/20/2013 11:29:31 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: FredZarguna
their ideas eventually led to the creation of the

Incorrect -- many of the founders were Deists and there were 4 Catholic signers, so it wasn't the reformers ideas

The framers of the constitution instinctively harked back to ancient Greece and Rome and set up their institutions based on Rome (the Senate for example or congressus) -- so do read up on history before commenting

89 posted on 04/20/2013 11:31:59 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Kaslin

Liberalism is a great set of warm, fuzzy ideals until you have to (a) pay for them or (b) die for them.


90 posted on 04/21/2013 1:23:44 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: peeps36

Highly indoctrinated. He reminds me of some of the post-Gorbachev communists that bought the party line so deeply. They were shell shocked to find it all a lie.


91 posted on 04/21/2013 5:23:11 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: TexasCajun

I have always found Bill Maher far more interesting to watch than Bill O’Reilly or Sean Hannity...

Bill shares much of the same skepticism and disgust that I have for our politicians and government.


92 posted on 04/21/2013 5:25:09 AM PDT by Caliban (Politics is war conducted by other means...)
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To: FredZarguna
When Christians kill in the name of their religion, they are committing a heretical and terrible sin. When Muslims kill in the name of their religion, they are obeying scriptural injunctions to do so.

Of course they committed terrible sins and we must disassociate ourselves from what they did back then but don’t even try to deny that they were obeying scriptural injunctions! Perhaps YOU should study your Bible. Misinterpreted or not this is what the Bible says:

Exodus 22:20: He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the Lord alone, shall be utterly destroyed.

If you don’t know what utterly destroyed means, here’s clarification for you:

Deut. 13:6-10: If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods” (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end) you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the Lord your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

Deut 17:2-7: If there is found in your midst, in any of your towns, which the Lord your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, and if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire thoroughly. And behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed, to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to death. On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness.

Luke 19:27: But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.

By the way, it is well documented that Christian killed Christian in very, very high numbers – possibly in the multi-millions – obeying orders from people such as Pope Innocent III who said, “Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with Church dogma must be burned without pity.” The Inquisition was an ecclesiastical court and process of the Roman Catholic Church setup for the purpose towards the discovery and punishment of heresy which wielded immense power and brutality in medieval and early modern times. The Inquisitions function was principally assembled to repress all heretics of rights, depriving them of their estate and assets which became subject to the ownership of the Catholic treasury, with each relentlessly sought to destroy anyone who spoke, or even thought differently to the Catholic Church. This system for close to over six centuries became the legal framework throughout most of Europe that orchestrated one of the most despicable religious orders in the course of mankind.

In the ages of faith, when the priest, was little less than a God himself, a curse from his lips was often more feared than physical torments. To even establish an accusation against a bishop itself required 72 witnesses; against a deacon was 27; against an inferior dignitary was 7, and for non-members of the clergy, 2 was sufficient to convict. Whole communities went mad with grief and fear of the thought towards being denounced to the Inquisition. It spread all over Europe. Men, women, and children, all legally murdered on evidence by a church, which today would only be accepted if the court and jury specifically composed of the inmates of a lunatic asylum.

Do some research. Things were pretty gory back then; the period wasn’t called the Dark Ages for nothing. Christians had a few hundred years jump on the Muzzies but now they are trying to catch up. What I’ve said here is documented and taught – I learned this stuff over 50 years ago. You can deny it all you want but that doesn’t change the truth.

93 posted on 04/21/2013 5:54:17 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Kaslin
There is a Saudi initiated manifesto to help turn nonMuslim countries Muslim. Huma Abedin was connected to it. There needs to be more push-back to this agenda...manipulating a culture link

same is happening in Europe

94 posted on 04/21/2013 6:03:45 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: wardaddy

Wardaddy.

When a Christian says he is praying for his enemies, it is not really praying for good things or blessings, except for the blessing that God would open their eyes and soften their hearts. Were this to happen, then that enemy now potentially Not your enemy.

Christ came when almost All people then alive were enemies to Him, and he prayed for their forgiveness.

I do believe some bad times are coming for our country. Be praying Now for those that might come against you/us.

Have a blessed day.


95 posted on 04/21/2013 6:09:24 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: DManA

That’s awfully revisionist. The Catholic Church has plenty of demons but I would also agree that a vast majority of them are in the past. I would just suggest that we don’t forget that power corrupts.


96 posted on 04/21/2013 7:57:11 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy
That’s awfully revisionist.

You are awfully ignorant.

97 posted on 04/21/2013 7:59:44 AM PDT by DManA
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To: wardaddy

You are Christian first before you are anything else. Jesus taught we are to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. Doing this changes us and changes them as it puts God into the middle of the equation. This is not a passive exercise.


98 posted on 04/21/2013 8:09:22 AM PDT by CityCenter (No matter how good your PR is, you can't outsmart the truth.)
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To: Kaslin
I can't believe I am actually finding myself in agreement with Bill Maher, especially the part about "The Book of Mormon". I have had this exact same debate with people. I have asked lefties point blank if anyone could even possibly entertain the idea of creating a Broadway musical called "The Quran" which pokes fun at islam without being threatened with death by the jihadis and shunned by the rest of the leftist entertainment community. No one can give me a direct or honest answer. They simply stammer on about it being "different" and not an accurate comparison. Typical hypocrites. The only difference is that the Mormons won't issue fatwahs or cut people's throats. Theo Van Gogh learned the unfortunate truth about what happens when someone dares to speak honestly about islam.

It pains me to say this, but, kudos to Maher on this one.

99 posted on 04/21/2013 9:01:00 AM PDT by American Infidel (Instead of vilifying success, try to emulate it)
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To: CityCenter

Sounds like a recipe to always be defeated and damn right it sounds passive

Are u male or female?

I’m gonna pass on all that

I’ve got faith God can sort it out


100 posted on 04/21/2013 9:03:08 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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