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New Discovery: NASA Study Proves Carbon Dioxide Cools Atmosphere
Principia Scientific International ^ | March 26, 2013 | Written by H. Schreuder & J. O'Sullivan

Posted on 04/20/2013 2:23:50 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer

A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth's atmosphere.

NASA's Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. The data was collected by Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface.

NASA's Langley Research Center instruments show that the thermosphere not only received a whopping 26 billion kilowatt hours of energy from the sun during a recent burst of solar activity, but that in the upper atmospheric carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide molecules sent as much as 95% of that radiation straight back out into space.

The shock revelation starkly contradicts the core proposition of the so-called greenhouse gas theory which claims that more CO2 means more warming for our planet. However, this compelling new NASA data disproves that notion and is a huge embarrassment for NASA's chief climatologist, Dr James Hansen and his team over at NASA's GISS.

Already, the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been in full retreat after having to concede a 17-year stall in global warming despite levels of atmopheric CO2 rising almost 40 percent in recent decades. The new SABER data now forms part of a real world double whammy against climatologists' computer models that have always been programmed to show CO2 as a warming gas.

The SABER evidence also makes a mockery of the statement on the NASA GISS website (by Hansen underling Gavin Schmidt) claiming, "the greenhouse effect keeps the planet much warmer than it would be otherwise." [1]

As NASA's SABER team at Langley admits:

"This is a new frontier in the sun-Earth connection," says associate principal investigator Martin Mlynczak, "and the data we’re collecting are unprecedented."

Over at Principia Scientific International (PSI) greenhouse gas effect (GHE) critic, Alan Siddons is hailing the findings. Siddons and his colleagues have been winning support from hundreds of independent scientists for their GHE studies carried out over the last seven years. PSI has proved that the numbers fed into computer models by Hansen and others were based on a faulty interpretation of the laws of thermodynamics. PSI also recently uncovered long overlooked evidence from the American Meteorological Society (AMS) that shows it was widely known the GHE was discredited prior to 1951. [2]

Pointedly, a much-trumpeted new book released this month by Rupert Darwall claims to help expose the back story of how the junk GHE theory was conveniently resuscitated in the 1980's by James Hansen and others to serve an environmental policy agenda at that time. [3] As the SABER research report states:

A recent flurry of eruptions on the sun did more than spark pretty auroras around the poles. NASA-funded researchers say the solar storms of March 8th through 10th dumped enough energy in Earth’s upper atmosphere to power every residence in New York City for two years.

“This was the biggest dose of heat we’ve received from a solar storm since 2005,” says Martin Mlynczak of NASA Langley Research Center. “It was a big event, and shows how solar activity can directly affect our planet.”

As PSI's own space scientists have confirmed, as solar energy penetrates deeper into our atmosphere, even more of its energy will end up being sent straight back out to space, thus preventing it heating up the surface of our earth. The NASA Langley Research Center report agrees with PSI by admitting:

“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”

To those independent scientists and engineers at Principia Scientific International this is not news. The “natural thermostat” effect of CO2 has long been known by applied scientists and engineers how have exploited it's remarkable properties in the manufacturer of refrigerators and air conditioning systems. The fledgling independent science body has repeatedly shown in it's openly peer reviewed papers that atmospheric carbon dioxide does not cause global warming nor climate change.

Some diehard climate alarmists will still say that in the lower atmosphere the action of carbon dioxide is reversed, but there is no actual proof of this at all. PSI suggests it is time for the SABER team to have a word with James Hansen. Watch the full NASA video on Youtube.

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[1] Schmidt, G., 'Taking the Measure of the Greenhouse Effect,' (October, 2010), http://www.giss.nasa.gov (accessed online: March 26, 2013).

[2] Brooks, C.E.P. (1951). “Geological and Historical Aspects of Climatic Change.” In Compendium of Meteorology, edited by Thomas F. Malone, pp. 1004-18 (at 1016). Boston: American Meteorological Association. It shows the American Meteorological Society had refuted the concept of a GHE in 1951 in its Compendium of Meteorology. The AMS stated that the idea that CO2 could alter the climate “was never widely accepted and was abandoned when it was found that all the long-wave radiation [that would be] absorbed by CO2 is [already] absorbed by water vapor.”

[3] Darwall, R., 'The Age of Global Warming: A History,' (March, 2013), Quartet Books, London.


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1 posted on 04/20/2013 2:23:50 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Is this the new liberal elite official scare scam?


2 posted on 04/20/2013 2:26:29 PM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: Vince Ferrer

So global warming scientists don’t know what the hell they’re talking about...tell me something new.


3 posted on 04/20/2013 2:26:32 PM PDT by struggle
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To: Vince Ferrer

Looks like Pete Singer will be making a comeback.


4 posted on 04/20/2013 2:27:15 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

But it’s global warming that’s CAUSING the CO2 to cool the atmosphere./s


5 posted on 04/20/2013 2:27:39 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Vince Ferrer

Bwhahahahaha


6 posted on 04/20/2013 2:30:55 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Vince Ferrer

Okay, so let me get this straight................
It’s all bull****, right?


7 posted on 04/20/2013 2:31:31 PM PDT by slouper
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To: Signalman

No matter what the data shows they will still tell us we need their expertise and lots of taxes and regulation to “fix the problem.”


8 posted on 04/20/2013 2:32:04 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: Vince Ferrer

They said this back in the 1970’s.


9 posted on 04/20/2013 2:32:51 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: All

Man made global warming is far and away the greatest scam ever foisted on human beings since flat earth people existed. It has been the source of massive human suffering and expense ever since it was dreamed up by our masters. Those who have been a part of this scam should be severely punished for their lies and propoganda.


10 posted on 04/20/2013 2:34:33 PM PDT by Ferris (Man will come to learn that galaxies are consciousness factories)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Get ready for the new “Ice Age” meme.


11 posted on 04/20/2013 2:37:12 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Vince Ferrer

Breathe in, breathe out.


12 posted on 04/20/2013 2:43:32 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: slouper

right it isn’t carbon dioxide it is methane that is killing us i mean just last night my wife kept saying omg you are killing me but she is the cook


13 posted on 04/20/2013 2:46:52 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Vince Ferrer
The shock revelation starkly contradicts the core proposition of the so-called greenhouse gas theory which claims that more CO2 means more warming for our planet.

However, this compelling new NASA data disproves that notion and is a huge embarrassment for NASA's chief climatologist, Dr James Hansen and his team over at NASA's GISS.

Already, the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been in full retreat after having to concede a 17-year stall in global warming despite levels of atmospheric CO2 rising almost 40 percent in recent decades. The new SABER data now forms part of a real world double whammy against climatologists' computer models that have always been programmed to show CO2 as a warming gas.

Nice work by Langley! Climate change is caused by the Sun. The CO2 connection to global warming was so weak that anyone with a basic understanding of science would laugh at it; but it has been politicized by Democrats looking for an excuse to raise taxes to enrich themselves and to buy votes IMO.

But the Jim Hansen types believe that everything is caused by manmade global warming, even asteroids.

14 posted on 04/20/2013 2:49:16 PM PDT by olezip
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To: Vince Ferrer

Thank yhou very much for this post.


15 posted on 04/20/2013 2:49:40 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Vince Ferrer
I have a sneaking suspicion globull warmists will pull their heads out of their ass anytime soon.
16 posted on 04/20/2013 2:51:54 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

It’s great that you posted this here on Free Republic, but this study and data will NEVER be shown on the nightly news, National Geograpic, Discovery, PBS, or the Weather Channel. The low information voters will sill believe we are all going to die from carbon, and when Obama speaks “Give me more money, evil rich Republican white dudes!”, they will swoon and believe.


17 posted on 04/20/2013 2:56:32 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Vince Ferrer

Global cooling would be much worse for humans than global warming.

3..2..1...for the alarmist to call for...wait for it...limits on carbon dioxide to stave off global cooling. I will gua-reen-damn-tee you it’s coming.

See, they were right. Carbon Dioxide is killing the planet!!

As for global warming, just like Roseanne Rosanna Danna....Nevermind


18 posted on 04/20/2013 2:57:21 PM PDT by saleman
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To: Vince Ferrer

Maybe we are now beginning to see why that scam artist scumbag Hanson quit NASA.
He knew the jig was up.


19 posted on 04/20/2013 2:59:02 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

(( ping ))

Oh, this is good. I think Hanson knew this was coming.


20 posted on 04/20/2013 3:00:17 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Vince Ferrer

Now it’s become obvious. While greenhouse gases are confirmed to bottle up the heat emanating from the Earth’s surface, they also at the same time reflect much heat from the Sun back into space. Hence, equilibirum or even slight cooling.

We’ve known for a very very long time here on FR that the whole subject of global warming aka climate change and AGW is a Lysenko-like motivated political movement designed to create a revenue stream for a one world government that would control and regulate the atmosphere, the oceans, seas, lakes, streams and landmass.

We took the heat for challenging global warming as junk science led by Nobel prize winning morons such as Al Gore.

And now finally the truth emerges.

We are vindicated.


21 posted on 04/20/2013 3:02:00 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Alas Babylon!
but this study and data will NEVER be shown on the nightly news

You might want to take a look at the footnote on the original story about the study:

Footnote: (1) No one on Earth’s surface would have felt this impulse of heat. Mlynczak puts it into perspective: “Heat radiated by the solid body of the Earth is very large compared to the amount of heat being exchanged in the upper atmosphere. The daily average infrared radiation from the entire planet is 240 W/m2—enough to power NYC for 200,000 years.”

22 posted on 04/20/2013 3:03:10 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Alas Babylon!
Normally I would agree, but Europe definitely seems to be struggling with continuing the farce. They have been getting more severe winters than we have, the natives are noticing, and people are dieing from cold, not warmth. Due to their economic problems, they have been cutting green subsidies, and now they are starting to loudly discuss how their green energy policies have put them at an economic disadvantage relative to the US and our fracking. Meanwhile, we have actually achieved Kyoto protocol greenhouse gas emission reductions, even without signing the document.

The real polluters and greenhouse gas emitters are in Asia. Pollution will be taken more seriously by China, because they have to, but they would never target abstract greenhouse gas levels at the cost of growth. Nor would anyone else in Asia.

This leaves Obama and the lilly white Al Gore/Unabomber wing of the democrat party left. Obama will never admit failure, he will keep "investing" in failure until his term ends. But after that, I don't think anyone except the Unabomber wing to bring it up anymore.

23 posted on 04/20/2013 3:06:38 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Well, clearly CO2 is a John Kerry molecule. It heats the atmosphere before it cools it.


24 posted on 04/20/2013 3:08:02 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Vince Ferrer
Open comment to environmentalist crowd: make up your minds!
25 posted on 04/20/2013 3:10:59 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: TreeHugger

IDIOTS!

4/100ths of a percent of CO2 in the atmosphere isn’t enough to affect it either way.

So where exactly is this mysterious CO2 greenhouse layer?

If it’s up high, why does it stay up there? It’s heavy and it should sink to the ground.

If the CO2 layer is on the ground (where plants can access it) how the hell could it affect either cooling or warming?

IDIOTS!


26 posted on 04/20/2013 3:12:43 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (HEY RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

This goes with it and is interesting and a bit scary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEFQHDSYP1I


27 posted on 04/20/2013 3:20:45 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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28 posted on 04/20/2013 3:27:10 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Vince Ferrer

The liberal mind has a hard time accepting reality, and will totally ignore this.


29 posted on 04/20/2013 3:30:42 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Well, I’m a scientific ignoramus. But I sure hope it’s true!


30 posted on 04/20/2013 3:32:12 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The economy is not a pie, but a bakery.)
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To: slouper

It’s complicated. ;-)


31 posted on 04/20/2013 3:34:35 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Vince Ferrer
So people who believe in idiotic government structures also believe in idiotic scientific paradigms.

Gee, what shock.

32 posted on 04/20/2013 3:35:17 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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33 posted on 04/20/2013 3:38:17 PM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: Vince Ferrer

So, back to Global Cooling then? Got it.


34 posted on 04/20/2013 3:53:06 PM PDT by mykroar (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.-Thomas Paine)
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To: Vince Ferrer; All
You need to take articles from Principia Scientifica with a big grain of salt.

On this particular subject, WattsUpWithThat talks about how they misunderstand this NASA press release. A misinterpreted claim about a NASA press release, CO2, solar flares, and the thermosphere is making the rounds

35 posted on 04/20/2013 3:59:36 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Oh no! Now we’ll have to park our expensive electric cars and buy old clunkers that pollute, but put out plenty of lovely carbon emissions to SAVE THE PLANET.

Better we can’t breathe than die from man made global warming due to curbing carbon emissions. [sarcasm\]

Isn’t it about time that we let the Great Watchmaker in the Sky worry about the mechanics of the universe?


36 posted on 04/20/2013 4:08:05 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I have no scientific training outside of what I needed for high school and college engineering classes.

BUT.

It is scientifically not sound to believe carbon dioxide warms the planet. If that was true, then the natural increase of CO2 from the oceans and from volcanos would create ever-increasing temperatures and our planet would simply burn up.

It makes much more sense that the releases of CO2 from the oceans in response to increasing atmospheric temperatures, has a cooling effect, buffering us from ever-increasing temperatures.

We know that the earth has temperature buffers that keep the atmosphere in a fairly narrow range, between ice ages and warming period. This is cyclic and regular. So there must be a buffer system.

The evil commies that want to control us using environmental cataclysm as an excuse, are more than willing to turn scientific fact on its head and spew that lie that CO2 warms the earth.

Even to a numbskull like me, it makes no scientific sense or the earth long ago would have shot up in temperature irreversibly as more CO2 saturated the atmosphere.

It is like the abortion argument - a 5 year old can tell you that killing the baby in mommy’s tummy is murder. It takes a lot of brainwashing to convince grown adults that killing a baby is just “terminating a fetus”.

Same with globull warming.

What gets me is how so many American’s have fallen for both lies. Not that I’m surprised by it.

“No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public,” HL Mencken.


37 posted on 04/20/2013 4:13:29 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: slowhandluke
You need to take articles from Principia Scientifica with a big grain of salt. On this particular subject, WattsUpWithThat talks about how they misunderstand this NASA press release. A misinterpreted claim about a NASA press release, CO2, solar flares, and the thermosphere is making the rounds

I agree. I was reading a few of the other articles after I posted this, and noticed some pretty bad references. This is the first I have noticed this website.

38 posted on 04/20/2013 4:13:55 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

bookmark


39 posted on 04/20/2013 4:27:57 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Vince Ferrer

A big bfl!


40 posted on 04/20/2013 4:33:24 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Don’t anyone get too smug. This is likely the first salvo in.......CO2 causes Global Cooling,......again. The media will switch on a dime, and we soon will be hearing CAGC - Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Cooling.


41 posted on 04/20/2013 4:35:28 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; ...
Thanks Vince Ferrer. It's one of those "heads we win, tails you lose" moves from the AGW demagogues. And it's one of *those* topics.



42 posted on 04/20/2013 4:54:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; 3AngelaD; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Vince Ferrer.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


43 posted on 04/20/2013 4:55:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
The actual link to the Nasa website and what it says http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/, it is quite interesting.
44 posted on 04/20/2013 4:58:39 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Vince Ferrer

My respect for WattsUpWithThat has gone up a lot for debunking this claim.

When you have morons either lying or misunderstanding stuff on your side, they’ll destroy the credibility of everyone on your side...


45 posted on 04/20/2013 5:01:47 PM PDT by Strategerist
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Nineteen Eighty-Four
by George Orwell
(from chapter 17)
On a scarlet-draped platform an orator of the Inner Party, a small lean man with disproportionately long arms and a large bald skull over which a few lank locks straggled, was haranguing the crowd. A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, contorted with hatred, he gripped the neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth an endless catalogue of atrocities, massacres, deportations, lootings, rapings, torture of prisoners, bombing of civilians, lying propaganda, unjust aggressions, broken treaties. It was almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then maddened. At every few moments the fury of the crowd boiled over and the voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beast-like roaring that rose uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceania was at war with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage ! The agents of Goldstein had been at work ! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. The Spies performed prodigies of activity in clambering over the rooftops and cutting the streamers that fluttered from the chimneys. But within two or three minutes it was all over. The orator, still gripping the neck of the microphone, his shoulders hunched forward, his free hand clawing at the air, had gone straight on with his speech. One minute more, and the feral roars of rage were again bursting from the crowd. The Hate continued exactly as before, except that the target had been changed.

The thing that impressed Winston in looking back was that the speaker had switched from one line to the other actually in midsentence, not only without a pause, but without even breaking the syntax... Oceania was at war with Eastasia : Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now completely obsolete.

46 posted on 04/20/2013 5:03:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: saleman
” ...just like Roseanne Rosanna Danna....Nevermind”

That was “ Emily Litella.” not Roseanne Rosanna Danna....

47 posted on 04/20/2013 5:34:11 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: RedMonqey

Well, Exxxxxcussssse meeeeee.

Chevy Chase????


48 posted on 04/20/2013 6:46:43 PM PDT by saleman
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To: saleman

Steve Martin.


49 posted on 04/20/2013 6:50:17 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: saleman
Well, Exxxxxcussssse meeeeee.

Chevy Chase????

That was Eddy Murphy /Src

50 posted on 04/20/2013 7:00:38 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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