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Bomber manipulated younger sibling, flipped when 'only American friend' killed in unsolved murder
Daily Mail ^ | 21st April 2013 | Katie Davies

Posted on 04/21/2013 4:40:03 AM PDT by the scotsman

'Dead terror suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev's best friend had his 'throat slit' in an unsolved murder in 2011 as family members today told of how he was known to 'manipulate and use' his brother.

The older of the suspected marathon bombers was the black sheep of the family who 'used his younger brother' and had fallen out with an uncle he called on the eve of his death, relatives have said.

It has emerged the terror suspect's best friend died in a gruesome unsolved murder two years ago, just after Tamerlan said he had 'one single American friend'.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; US: Massachusetts; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: tamerlan; tamerlanbio; tsarnaev

1 posted on 04/21/2013 4:40:03 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman
Senators and Obama want to let more terrorist Muslims into U.S and socialist immigrants into U.S. stop the immigration/amnesty bill
2 posted on 04/21/2013 4:43:29 AM PDT by Democrat_media (s tMary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: the scotsman

Aw...and that 8 year old was made to pay for this man’s (yes, man. Call our 19 y o soldiers in Afghanistan teens and see what they think) arrogance, violence and hate.

Sorry. No sale on the pity-the-poor-murdering-terrorist immigrant who wouldn’t adapt.


3 posted on 04/21/2013 4:47:52 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: the scotsman

Interesting that “forgiveness” was a word used by the uncle. “Forgiveness” is not a word that is found in the vocabulary of the “Religion of Peace.”


4 posted on 04/21/2013 4:48:19 AM PDT by T Baden (Tenth Amendment Texan)
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To: the scotsman

That is so sad.

The surviving murderous terrorist was an innocent victim of his manipulative dead terrorist brother.

The dead murderous terrorist was a nice guy until his only American friend was murdered in an unsolved killing. It must be bad luck that the American friend happened to know three murderers: the two murderous brothers plus an unknown murderer who cut his throat.

We should feel sorry for the surviving murdering terrorist. While we know he intentionally planted bombs in the middle of a crown of women and children, we understand now that it wasn’t his fault. He’s had an even rougher life than the 100+ people who will go without limbs or otherwise maimed for the rest of their lives - this murderer was manipulated into his actions, so he’s not responsible.


5 posted on 04/21/2013 4:51:44 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: the scotsman

http://waltham.patch.com/articles/waltham-triple-murder-victims-killed-by-neck-injuries

Having your throat slit is extremely unusual. Correct me if I’m wrong, but when Americans kill somebody they do it by shooting them or stabbing them. But when Muslims kill, they prefer to chop heads off or slit throats. I knew a Muslim who sacrificed goats in his suburban back yard. He and all the family had training in how to do it right. Even the children participated. (The neighbors would call the Sheriff and the deputies would ask, “What are you doing?” and he’d say, “Sacrificing a goat to Allah.” The deputies would say, “Have a nice day.”)


6 posted on 04/21/2013 4:52:52 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: the scotsman

Sounds to me like the murder could have been designed to put Tamerlan in the right mindset.


7 posted on 04/21/2013 4:53:21 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: the scotsman
Ok, that article convinced me to be compassionate :

The older one goes to the 44th level of Hell.

The younger one can get off at the 41st floor.

8 posted on 04/21/2013 4:54:41 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: the scotsman

Searching for a humanitarian story, trying so hard to put the VICTIM label on these two


9 posted on 04/21/2013 4:58:48 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: Gen.Blather

He probably told s friend of his plans and then killed him when the response wasn’t what he expected.


10 posted on 04/21/2013 5:00:44 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: the scotsman

And the narrative to blame anything other than the “Religion of Peace” begins! One must obviously be completely sick to place a bomb next to an 8-year old, but let us never forget that the main motivation was to kill “the infidels.”


11 posted on 04/21/2013 5:01:39 AM PDT by reegs
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To: palmer

I seem to recall that in writings #1 made before 2011 he lamented that he had no American friends. Furthermore, he further wrote that he did not understand Americans as well and because of this felt isolated.

This reeks of misinformation. The Uncle who appears to be so indignant of his nephew’s actions needs to be investigated as well.


12 posted on 04/21/2013 5:02:14 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: driftdiver

“He probably told s friend of his plans and then killed him when the response wasn’t what he expected.”

I was thinking that the “friends” were in some way involved and they had a falling out. I hope that the new politically correct FBI can even see Islam and Jihad as a danger. I have my doubts that an organization headed by an obvious closet Islamist can bring itself to see reality.


13 posted on 04/21/2013 5:05:18 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: mazda77

Yes, in 2010 he told someone he had no American friends.


14 posted on 04/21/2013 5:05:31 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: driftdiver

yep, exactly what I was thinking.

dollars to donuts tamerlain had something to do with that other killing.

some terrorists cells make a terrorist raise a dog from a puppy and then once enough time has past make them kill it to harden their hearts... I think something similar to this might be the case here.


15 posted on 04/21/2013 5:05:40 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Maybe his friend was an extra special friend and he felt guilty about their special times together, especially after becoming religious.


16 posted on 04/21/2013 5:09:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: the scotsman

Hmmm..so the best friend and two other men were brutally murdered on Sept. 12, 2011.The father supposedly left the states after being assaulted on the streets of Boston. Murders never solved. Important details.

Sounds like a mixture of organized crime and islamist terrorism. The murders should be reopened. He could have done the murders himself.


17 posted on 04/21/2013 5:15:38 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: AppyPappy

“Maybe his friend was an extra special friend and he felt guilty about their special times together, especially after becoming religious.”

Israeli postmortems of suicide bombers found anal tears and semen. The shoe bomber frequently asked his fellow Jihadists to have anal sex with him so as to increase his capacity to carry explosives.

An Iranian in college told me, “Is no gay people in Iran. But you can’t have sex with women. So, you go to the city and get a young boy with smooth legs. Their handlers cut their balls off to keep them attractive. You pay them for sex.” This was in 1977.


18 posted on 04/21/2013 5:17:13 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: T Baden

I think that was an extremely bad word to use- forgiveness.
And it is just that a word. What these SOBs did is not something one can say i am sorry and just ask for forgiveness.
Creepy


19 posted on 04/21/2013 5:18:29 AM PDT by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: the scotsman

They’re setting us up to blame his boxing career for his acts...


20 posted on 04/21/2013 5:26:45 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: the scotsman

Tamerlan was probably the killer. My guess is the victim only had one mass-murdering friend.


21 posted on 04/21/2013 5:29:23 AM PDT by Toskrin
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To: Toskrin
Odds are, he decided that his friend was an infidel for smoking pot and killed him for it. Strange that the pot was dumped all over the body. Very strange. The guy was known to beat and berate his “wife” for not being muslim enough after her conversion. His brother-in-law said that he was not accepted by the two brothers because he was not muslim. I suppose that he was pretty conflicted if he knew that Dzhokhar was a pot head.
22 posted on 04/21/2013 5:42:18 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: the scotsman

Riiight

he is disturbed by one violent killing, so

“I Went to Chechen Terrorist Training Camp and All I Got Was This Lousy Pressure Cooker”


23 posted on 04/21/2013 5:43:26 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Gen.Blather

On that last, there were all sorts of similar stories coming out of Afghanistan. Here’s a story about that sort of thing from Brit troops I found very quickly, with some interesting corroborating commentary following.

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/uk_marines_hassled_by_gays.htm

It’s a sick culture in so many ways.


24 posted on 04/21/2013 5:45:39 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Democrat_media
"...stop the immigration/amnesty bill."

That's not going to happen. The Democrat/Communist Party will continue to import "Useful Idiots" until they have control of a comfortable majority in the U.S. population.

25 posted on 04/21/2013 5:50:49 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: the scotsman

“Two years ago Mess and two other men - Raphael Teken and Erik Weissman - were murdered on September 12, 2011.”

Name origin? Teken? Indonesia?

Name origin? Weissman? Jewish?

Murdered day after anniversary of 9/11. And he had his throat slit. Which group of people are fixated on slitting throats and decapitating?

It is amazing that the English papers (which are also leftist) report things that the US press won’t.


26 posted on 04/21/2013 5:59:29 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: driftdiver
IMO all the pot covering the dead body is the key. Also the murder was around the same time the older brother went 'religious'. Also associates reporting he 'changed', 'became more intense'. This was the turning point away from being an 'American' pot head drinker and he killed the main person who represented this.. as well as the one competitively influencing his younger brother.

I also note how the younger brother who still indulged in the pot smoking 'occupy wall street' lifestyle ran him over and killed him. Was it payback for all the Jihad crap he had to listen to?

27 posted on 04/21/2013 6:03:55 AM PDT by Track9 (hey Kalid.. kalid.. bang you're dead)
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To: Colorado Doug

Odds are, he decided that his friend was an infidel for smoking pot and killed him for it. Strange that the pot was dumped all over the body. Very strange. The guy was known to beat and berate his “wife” for not being muslim enough after her conversion. His brother-in-law said that he was not accepted by the two brothers because he was not muslim. I suppose that he was pretty conflicted if he knew that Dzhokhar was a pot head.

Maybe his friend was killed by someone at his mosque for “trying to drive huim away from ‘slam”.....

That seems to be what I think could be the cause, that or the bomber killed him for trying to de-radicalize him and he saw him as an “apostate”....


28 posted on 04/21/2013 6:04:31 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: AppyPappy
Maybe his friend was an extra special friend and he felt guilty about their special times together, especially after becoming religious.

Their idea of 'religious' does not preclude perpetual sodomy so there would be no 'guilt' there. More likely because he was associating with infidels and their western ways.

29 posted on 04/21/2013 6:08:45 AM PDT by Track9 (hey Kalid.. kalid.. bang you're dead)
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To: the scotsman

Why are the Brits able to get more information than our US newspapers?

I knwo the British newspapers are liberal, but does this mean our US newspapers are even more liberal?


30 posted on 04/21/2013 6:08:49 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: palmer

According to two other boxers in his group, when they traveled they tried to include him in whatever they were doing, but Tamerlan was the one who refused the offers. It sounds like he isolated himself. People tried to befriend him.

Also, what about his wife? He obviously knew how to get along with someone well enough to marry. She even converted to Islam for him. Didn’t that speak volumes??

People who have a sour attitude often bring it on themselves. Every day we have multiple opportunities to choose to be happy, or we can choose unhappy thoughts. Tamerlan chose to be a loner.


31 posted on 04/21/2013 6:11:07 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace
Those three children were always friendly and kind to me. I think I only met Tamerlan twice, and he wasn’t friendly. Zubeidat certainly mentioned arguing with him, and being worried about him in general after he got his girlfriend pregnant.
From: I know the Boston bombers
32 posted on 04/21/2013 6:17:51 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Why are the Brits able to get more information than our US newspapers?

The Brits don't feel compelled to kiss up to Obama. Our "journalists" fear for their livelihoods whenever they get the urge to speak out, so they just don't bother to get to the bottom of the story in a way that would rankle any Democrats, but especially Obama, Holder, etc.

33 posted on 04/21/2013 6:42:47 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: the scotsman

2011 doesn’t hold water since his wife’s friends are saying he changed in 2009 the same year he had that domestic violence arrent and the same year the Russell’s neighbors say she started wearing veils.


34 posted on 04/21/2013 6:56:05 AM PDT by bgill
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bfl


35 posted on 04/21/2013 7:43:35 AM PDT by Miztiki
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To: the scotsman

His whole family and that slag traitor beast woman who bred with him knew he went back to “mother” country for training. I say gitmo the whole lot.


36 posted on 04/21/2013 7:50:21 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: the scotsman

Sounds like his friend wasn’t down for the struggle. And, no witnesses or informants came forward -surprise.


37 posted on 04/21/2013 8:23:09 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: the scotsman

Laying down the poor little brother meme for his defence. Wait until you see this circus in the court room.


38 posted on 04/21/2013 8:24:22 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: headstamp 2
Laying down the poor little brother meme for his defence.

Just wait until MSNBC is done, by this time next week. At that point, they will have attempted to recast this Chechyan Islamic Extremists as a Racist, White, Christian NRA enthusiast who smokes cigarettes, denies global warming, wants to clear-cut forests, loves George W. Bush and Sarah Palin, attended many Tea Party events (where he was busy being racist), loves the Sequestration, hates illegal aliens, is a Birther and a Truther, hates unions, is studying fracking in school, and drinks Big Gulp sodas.

39 posted on 04/21/2013 8:38:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: the scotsman

Let’s see. His best friend is murdered via beheading or slit throat and then he immediately stops going to the gym. Was the death of the “nice guy” an initiation? Seems to me he would be suspect number one. I remember hearing about the murder.


40 posted on 04/21/2013 8:39:00 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
More like less adequate. The media here stinks. I'm even more annoyed by the lack of editing done. Its like they hire idiots to research and compose. All they do is enter opinions and forget to use spell check
41 posted on 04/21/2013 9:45:17 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: Texas Fossil; Presbyterian Reporter

There are several conservative/right British newspapers:

The Times
Daily Mail
The Sun
Daily Telegraph


42 posted on 04/21/2013 10:21:41 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

One aspect may be that the terror cell financed itself by selling drugs—and that was also the source of some of the nice cars
a few of those people seem to be driving.

That angle needs to be looked into.


43 posted on 04/21/2013 11:07:59 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: the scotsman

Two of the murdered friends were jews.

Whoda thunk it?


44 posted on 04/22/2013 4:24:33 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Leftists' favorite Mass Murderer: Kermit Gosnell)
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