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And How Many Bullets Do You Need?
American Thinker ^ | 04/20/2013 | Jim Yardley

Posted on 04/21/2013 6:42:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 04/21/2013 6:42:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Cops do not practice on a weekly basis. Cops are hardly shooting professionals.


2 posted on 04/21/2013 6:43:54 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Firing hundreds of rounds with a 90% miss rate is standard for cops.


3 posted on 04/21/2013 6:46:08 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind


4 posted on 04/21/2013 6:46:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Based on the kind of gear we see these SWAT Rambo’s carrying, I’d think they’ve got full auto capability, the most expensive EOTech sights, lasers, flashlights, grips and doodads etc. that money can buy.

I think they were just itching to butcher up a perp with their toys they’ve had to shoot paper and cardboard with all those times at the tac range.


5 posted on 04/21/2013 6:46:46 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: DariusBane

Cops do not practice on a weekly basis. Cops are hardly shooting professionals.

Which only serves to further nail the original premise.


6 posted on 04/21/2013 6:47:52 AM PDT by wita
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To: DariusBane

The older gentleman that taught my concealed carry class trains local city and county police. He said most of them are not proficient with firearms at all.


7 posted on 04/21/2013 6:47:55 AM PDT by ryan71 (The republican party is dead to me. Dead. Don't bother trying to revive it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Usually, one well placed before, after or between the misses. Kinda the way that works. Regardless of ballistics, human nature takes the cake.


8 posted on 04/21/2013 6:50:25 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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Fox News had the Watertown Chief on last night and he mentioned that the rounds fired were “dummy rounds”. I’m an ex SWAT Team member and I have never heard of dummy rounds being used in a hostile tactical action. I’m not doubting his word, I just never heard of this.


9 posted on 04/21/2013 6:51:14 AM PDT by OCMike
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To: DariusBane

Affirmative Darius. The author has it wrong on the facts. What’s worse, is spray and pray is policy in many departments, which is why so many rounds go down range in these events (see the recent situation in Los Angeles where two women were shot in their pickup truck by Torrance PD officers). This practice (spray and pray) violates rule four of the standard gun safety rules - “Know your target and what is beyond.” We were very lucky that the Boston PD didn’t kill or wound innocent civilians. Ricochets can carry rounds quite far and away from their initial trajectory - and they are quite dangerous even at distance. This is very basic stuff for anyone who has even modest experience with firearms.


10 posted on 04/21/2013 6:51:49 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: OCMike

There were way more than 200 rounds fired!


11 posted on 04/21/2013 6:52:45 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: SeekAndFind

” cops, who are trained professionals, who practice on at least a weekly basis with their firearms”

Cops are trained but they are not professional gun slingers and they do not shoot weekly. Most only shoot once or twice a year, and even then only 50-100 rounds each time.


12 posted on 04/21/2013 6:53:22 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Gaffer

Exactly. You train and train and train, in an elite group of mega-testosterone men in their 20s and 30s, and you want to “go live.” Believe me, I saw it.


13 posted on 04/21/2013 6:54:35 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ryan71

DOH boy nadler thinks 2 maybe 3 shots is plenty. The asshat in kolorado is probably wondering who’s in charge of picking up all those pre-loaded disposable “clips” for diposal that the cops threw away when empty. His royal high-n-ass coumo agrees to 7 rounds. Me, as many as it takes.


14 posted on 04/21/2013 6:54:41 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s not the Bill Of Needs.


15 posted on 04/21/2013 6:55:47 AM PDT by real saxophonist (If something is TRULY 'common sense', then a law about it is unneccesary.)
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To: SeekAndFind
And How Many Bullets Do You Need?

I would say you should have at least one bullet (round for “Buffalo Head” ) at the end of a firefight. How many rounds you need would depend on location, number of purps, how good of a shot you are and several other factors. There is no way to give that a number. Also how many rounds and how often do you want to practice?

16 posted on 04/21/2013 6:55:48 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SeekAndFind
>>> Yet our politicians .... are saying that the most anyone needs to have to protect himself from armed intruders is seven rounds in the magazine.

No, Jim, you are wrong.

Our politicians would rather we don't have any in the first place.

What happened in Boston is exactly what they had in mind. Citizens cowering in their own homes and Gov Alphabet Agencies/SWAT/light armored vehicles on our streets for our own protection.

17 posted on 04/21/2013 6:56:33 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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FTA Of course, it took trained police, who were not dealing with an unexpected attack, who were not roused from a peaceful slumber, who were not worried about their wives and kids, some 200 rounds to kill one dangerous man.

I read that the younger brother killed him whe he ran over and dragged him.

18 posted on 04/21/2013 6:57:54 AM PDT by Roccus
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Gov Coomo is right. “You don't need ten bullets to kill a deeeer”.

You might need 200 bullets to kill a terrorist.

19 posted on 04/21/2013 6:57:58 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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And How Many Bullets Do You Need?

As many as I have cases, primers and powder for. A bullet is only slingshot fodder without the other components of a cartridge.

Stupid, know-nothing columnists (not you S and F)...learn something about guns!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

20 posted on 04/21/2013 6:58:41 AM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! www.7161.com/streamer.cfm?dt_track_id=21356)
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To: SeekAndFind

I need as many bullets as I have cases, primers, and powder.


21 posted on 04/21/2013 6:58:59 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: DariusBane
Cops do not practice on a weekly basis. Cops are hardly shooting professionals.

That is correct. I can personally attest to that for where I live. The local cops have free use of my shooting club and they hold their qualifications there. It is pretty amusing watching them qualify. (I saw that once last summer.) I wouldn't call them bumbling idiots, but they definitely are not shooting professionals.

22 posted on 04/21/2013 6:59:11 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: OCMike

Reports here would counter the “dummy rounds” arguement also.

http://www.google.com/search?q=bullets+watertown&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ACEW_enUS385US385


23 posted on 04/21/2013 7:00:18 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: SeekAndFind
And How Many Bullets Do You Need?

At least as many as the empty brass I have?

What did I win?

24 posted on 04/21/2013 7:02:41 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Roccus; SeekAndFind

Here’s the story on the older brother’s death

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3010430/posts


25 posted on 04/21/2013 7:04:33 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: SeekAndFind

The question to be asked about the firefight: what was the capacity of their magazines?


26 posted on 04/21/2013 7:04:49 AM PDT by lurk
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To: DariusBane

And How Many Bullets Do You Need?

I think someone already answered this question, “AS MANY AS IT TAKES.”


27 posted on 04/21/2013 7:04:51 AM PDT by JayAr36 (In a compromise between good and evil, evil ALWAYS BENEFITS.)
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To: OCMike

What are they calling a “dummy round”?

A dummy round is just that, dummy, it wont fire.

Has no live primer and no powder.

Has one or more holes drilled through the case to let you know it is a dummy round.


28 posted on 04/21/2013 7:06:28 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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"200 rounds to kill one dangerous man."

I thought his Muzzie Bro' killed him by running over him with the stolen SUV.

29 posted on 04/21/2013 7:06:45 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DuncanWaring

As a competitive shooter, I have helped a lot of cops learn to shoot. I could take the average guy who has never held a handgun and in one day I could teach him to shoot on a level that is above most in law enforcement. The only ones who are shooters are the ones that are ‘gun guys’ and shoot on their own. Most are of the pray and spray type.


30 posted on 04/21/2013 7:11:34 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: SeekAndFind

A police spokesmen said on TV that the police had to pull back from one of the Watertown engagements because they ran out of ammunition.

Too bad Homeland Security has hogged it all up.


31 posted on 04/21/2013 7:16:02 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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some 200 rounds to kill one dangerous man.

Except they didn't kill him. His brother ran over him with a deadly assault weapon (aka SUV) and it ripped open his ribcage and lungs.

32 posted on 04/21/2013 7:19:13 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: DariusBane

Most cops I know are poor shots.They embassass themselves at the range.


33 posted on 04/21/2013 7:21:33 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: OCMike
Fox News had the Watertown Chief on last night and he mentioned that the rounds fired were “dummy rounds”. I’m an ex SWAT Team member and I have never heard of dummy rounds being used in a hostile tactical action. I’m not doubting his word, I just never heard of this.

The 'tactic' is to get the perp to use up his ammo, so they can move in without danger.

34 posted on 04/21/2013 7:21:38 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s probaly worth mentioning that FBI crime statistics show that single victim- multiple perpetrator homicides are on the eise. IOW, it is becoming increasingly likely that you will be defending your life against more than one assailent? I had 5 in the cylinder when three perps tried to rob me. Believe me when I tell you, when you’re in that situation you want a large caliber weapon that holds more ammo than you need. 13-15 rounds is about right IMO. 30 is better yet.


35 posted on 04/21/2013 7:23:10 AM PDT by RC one (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree with others, it’s time the police set an example and kept to 7 bullets also...maybe back to revolvers.

After all, 6 shots with a decent-sized revolver will kill anyone for sure, if placed correctly.


36 posted on 04/21/2013 7:29:20 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: wku man

“And How Many Bullets Do You Need?”

You never have too many guns or enough ammo.


37 posted on 04/21/2013 7:31:26 AM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And when they had the young one surrounded passed out in the boat just what were they shooting at, and why does the media call that an “exchange” of gunfire?


38 posted on 04/21/2013 7:31:30 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: SeekAndFind
to fire 200 rounds

A Mere drop in the bucket when government has 1.6 Billion bullets hoarded away.

39 posted on 04/21/2013 7:41:07 AM PDT by bikerman (Four boxes keep us free: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.)
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To: OCMike

“I’m not doubting his word, I just never heard of this.”

Maybe he meant to say “dumdum”? Though I haven’t heard anyone use that term for soft-nosed bullets outside of an old movie in a long time.


40 posted on 04/21/2013 7:42:43 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: faucetman

Cuomo is just giving the mob’s standard answer ~ THEY are not affected by such rules, but they’d prefer civilians just get out the way and leave the killing to them.


41 posted on 04/21/2013 7:48:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

And from later official announcements, it wasn’t the bullets that killed him, but being run over by his brother that did it.


42 posted on 04/21/2013 7:48:26 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: nobamanomore

My brother ran the DCPD shooting range for a number of years and told me the number of misses at close range is incredibly high. People panic and cops are no different unless they have that training so thoroughly ingrained they act reflexively to aim straight.


43 posted on 04/21/2013 7:48:43 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: DariusBane

So true. Cops are notoriously poor shots. They only qualify quarterly.


44 posted on 04/21/2013 7:51:16 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is an old book, “Shooting To Live” by W.E. Fairbairn and E.A. Sykes, (yes the guys that designed THAT knife), written by them when they were heads of the pre-war Hong kong police. They decided that the ‘usual carry for duty’ was what in the .38 Special revolver cylinders, plus two reloads, which counts 18 rounds. The ‘home ammunition allotment’ was that number times 365 days, which counts 6,570 rounds, NOT COUNTING, the rounds stored for range usage, which leveled out at 3,650 rounds, separate from the others. Since we Americans like neat, tidy numberings, a nice, round 10,000 rounds would do!

Here’s a link for a freebie download of the book:

http://www.survival4chicks.com/?p=478


45 posted on 04/21/2013 7:54:30 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Paladin2

re: “I thought his Muzzie Bro’ killed him by running over him with the stolen SUV.”

That’s what I read this morning as well. The younger brother not only ran over him but dragged him several feet/yards as well. Sorry, I don’t have the link to the story.


46 posted on 04/21/2013 7:54:54 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: RKV

Spray and pray isn’t policy anywhere.


47 posted on 04/21/2013 7:54:59 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: ConservativeInPA
I once got to fire at an indoor Thai Police pistol range. My US Army group were firing old WW-II vintage .45 semi-autos. The Thai police were using .38 revolvers.

My advice to all traveling there. If a Thai police officer yells "STOP" you better be skidding to a stop. They were really good. At least those training that day were.

None were in uniform so maybe they were an elite group, not regular street cops.

48 posted on 04/21/2013 7:55:06 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Most on patrol want a minimum of seven 30 round mags... but there NEVER is nor will be anything as “too much ammo”. The finest weapon in the world becomes nothing more than a hi-tech club when it fails to go bang. Personally, too much ammo is when one has maxed out their Visa on ammo purchases.

LLS

49 posted on 04/21/2013 7:56:15 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Gaffer

From the ammount of rounds fired... divided by the number of dead terrorists... I’d say these tacticool warriors that you cite... need MORE time punching paper at the range.

LLS


50 posted on 04/21/2013 7:58:35 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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