Skip to comments.And How Many Bullets Do You Need?
Posted on 04/21/2013 6:42:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To followed the intended meaning of the 2nd Amendment, a citizen has the rights to the same weapons/ammo as the government is willing to use against them otherwise the 2nd Amendment is completely meaningless.
If the government is willing to use superior fire power against its own citizens and prevent the citizens from arming themselves to an equal extent then again the 2nd becomes meaningless.
This is what needs to be thrown back at any liberal who uses the Saul Alinsky deceptive debate tactic of mocking us by saying so Americans can have the atomic bomb? Ha, Ha, Ha.
No, even as off the rails as our federal government has become I don’t think for a nano-second they would use a nuke against us but they sure will use a lot of automatic weapons with 100’s of rounds.
29 posts before someone stated the obvious.
They didnt kill either one by shooting them.
See my tagline.
The point is, we as citizens face the same threats as do the police. If the police arive with a M-4 with 6 thirty round magazines to deal with what ever the call may be. Then I should have been so equipped also.
If we are not face with the same threats then what are the police for.
Umm, the cops were shooting AT their truck. They were not victims of rounds going down-range. They were victims of cops mistakenly (and really, really stupidly) misidentifying their vehicle.
“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” — George Washington
Thanks you! Yep... have seen those before! WAKE UP AMERICA!
A couple thousand per firearm, per year. Depends on what type of shooting I’m doing, how often i can make it to the range, and if i’m practicing for a competition.
Right now, prices are still outside of my budget and reloading components are scarce...
Not a happy camper.
If those were not live rounds fired at the suspect/boat, I would suggest the volume of blank fire, or live fire off target, was “INTIMIDATION”, i.e. this is what you face if you resist.
The facts say otherwise.
I did jury duty on a murder trail many years ago. The 'hi-tech' club was used first. It was a Ruger in 9mm caliber. It left an imprint of the magazine on the victims skull. The impact released the full magazine, which was found at the scene. The perp then shot the victims once with the still chambered round. I said 'victims' because the bullet exited victim #1, who died, and struck victim #2 in his leg.
Finding witnesses was difficult, as all 100 or so patrons of the bar claimed to be in the phone booth at the time.
We the jury found him guilty of murder in the 2nd degree. He's a career criminal so is still in prison.
Bogus and altered quote. Actual quote is from GW's first annual message to Congress, and referenced defense of the nation, not defense of the people against their own government.
"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a Uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent others, for essential, particularly for military supplies."
The cause of 2A is not well served by invented quotations.
If Joe Biden had been there, he’d have taken out that perp with a blast of his shotgun.
You don’t know how many rounds you need until it’s over, and that’s assuming you have some left.
You dont know how many rounds you need until its over, and thats assuming you have some left.
Things could be over with your last round. Backup gun(s) would be a good idea. A gun could fail.
Have you noticed the pictures are all Caucasian people?
If you look at the DOJ statistics they need to revise the pictures.
The video feed from the scene of #2s capture shows the police firing uncontrollably with their supervisors yelling in the background to “cease fire, cease fire!”
The shots they fired were of apparently no effect and given that the suspect was in a readily observable small boat in a driveway.....amazingly so.......
The whole scenario makes the left’s gun control argument for “more than “XX” round magazines why would you need them???” look foolish.....
The police, at least in this particular spot looked very unprofessional.
I know I'll never need more than seven.
My betters told me so.
Any shots fired there were not intended to hit the terrorist. Whether he fired back or not is hard to tell from video and audio that has been made available to the public. Looking at where the boat was relative to LEOs, any one of them could have hit the terrorist in the boat without much effort.
It would have been logical to try to drain out his ammo supply and see if he was in any condition to be firing back by some well placed harassing fire.
Anyone know what the current US military bandoleer load is? a bandoleer is usually considered the typical load out for an individual soldier’s single day in combat....(could be multiple bandoleers in today’s rock n roll culture) In WWII the load out was 80 rounds...(ten 8 round en-bloc clips)
True. But I always try to plan for leftovers. ;-)
[[And How Many Bullets Do You Need?... It took a dozen or more cops, who are trained professionals, who practice on at least a weekly basis with their firearms, to fire 200 rounds before he finally died. ]]
Excellent aerticle- shoudl forward this to al lthsoe damn republicans that broguht the gun bill to the floor for a vote and tell them “You don’t get to tell us how many bullets we need- we get to decide that for ourselves as it’s an inalienable RIGHT to own firearms for self protection and if erven our trained officers are allowed, AND USE more than 7 rounds per clip and have to fire several hundred bullets at ONLY TWO PEOPLE- then you folksi n washington do NOT get to dictate to we citizens what we will need for self defense
When the war on drugs was declared.
Yep, just like sex...too much still ain't enough!
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Riiiiighht. That’s why the boat is riddled with bullet holes. The only reason the punk survived is he was shielded by the engine.
I’ve been to two ranges that kick the local PD out because they shot up the whole place... Trash cans, roof, range building, and all.
No they call it rapid fire until the "perp" goes down. The end result of poor marksmanship and that policy results in Spray and Pray.
Really. Then it should be quite easy for you to post the firearms policy of the department that has a policy of "spray and pray"
Actually, that would be a great idea to keep him alive for subsequent waterboarding. But am I sure the police bought right into that? hmmm.
They may be great shots at the range, they may be great shots in daylight - I don’t really know. I have two points of recent reference, at least in seeing results. The first is the blue truck/SUV/minivan in California those cops mistook for the bad guy in a black truck (I think) with the multiple holes in it everywhere and the relatively unharmed passengers.
The second point of reference here is with this event. I’m guessing they knew ‘about’ where he was and just did the old “spray and pray”....if you think about it, they’d cleared the range (I am assuming); it was just so many downrange shots until they hit the paper..
Basic Combat Load (absolute minimum to get out the gate) is 210 rds (7 each 30-round mags). Most will carry as much as they can, and then some.
OMG, that's the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks!
Anyone notice there has been no mention of the firearms used by the Boston Bomber.
Otherwise, after the smoke clears, I would like to have a full 30 rd magazine in reserve.
If you had a member of the farce (17 years in) in your family like I do you’d know there is policy and there is policy. Second follow LAPD shootings for a while. You will be able to count the number of rounds down range per engagement for yourself.
Look closely at the boat. It is not riddled with bullet holes is it? And there aren't many indications of bullet damage in the boat, are there?
Now look also at the location of the boat relative to the driveway and the fence and driveway next door. The article shows LEOs at the front of the house, no doubt many more were present there once they were all in place. The area behind the garage was cleared of officers early in the action to allow fire from the front of the boat. Clearly firing on the boat from both sides was possible, and even fire through the wood fence next to the boat from a concealed position, or even an armored vehicle in the neighbor's driveway.
And yet you are suggesting nobody from FBI HRT, or any other SWAT team present could hit the terrorist because he was behind the engine? Not really. It looks like they carefully fired a few rounds into the boat, maybe even with low penetration ammo. Even the bullet holes present do not seem to be matched with exit holes on the far side. I'm willing to bet that a standard 5.56mm round will go right through a fiberglass boat and its wood trim.
The search operation may have been poorly planned and a failure, but the final capture operation was very well done.
And apparently it took his brother running over him to kill him.
Several threads here have comments about how the boat was riddled with bullet holes and speculation about who was going to buy him a new one. You can hold any opinion you want. I don’t care one way or the other what you think. My opinion is a bunch of trigger happy cowboys with frayed nerves (justifiably so) were shooting at something they hoped was the bad guy. Carefully fired a few rounds? “I don’t care who you are that’s funny right there.” I still haven’t seen or heard any evidence that the suspect fired a single shot. I am doubting the use of the words “exchange of gunfire”. I don’t think their was any exchange. By the way, I’m still laughing about “a few carefully fired rounds”. Enjoy your fantasies.
“You might need 200 bullets to kill a terrorist. “
200 rounds and a Mercedes SUV.
Did you bother to look at the pictures of the boat?
Yup, from his family’s viewpoint, death by friendly tire.