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Top Stories US USBC News White House, FBI ok with withholding Boston Bomber information
USBC News ^ | 2013, 04,21 | USBC News Wire

Posted on 04/21/2013 7:54:34 AM PDT by next media

Many question if those in positions of power during Boston bombing massacre knew more than they admit and put people at risk in order to try to control public opinion.

Richard DesLauriers, FBI agent in charge in Boston seemed to be pleading with the public to do whatever they could to help them catch the terrorists responsible for the attack in Boston. He said: “Somebody out there knows these individuals as friends, neighbors, co-workers or family members of the suspects,” he said. “Though it may be difficult, the nation is counting on those with infOrmation to come forward and provide it to us.

And yet many wonder if those in power really presented all the information in an effort to do everything they could to catch the terrorists. Barak Obama publicly stated “We will find you,” he said. “We will hold you accountable.”

However, despite what is a very common practice in law enforcement of describing the suspects, even more so in dramatic events such as the one which occurred in Boston , law enforcement officers refused to describe the ethnicity of the suspects...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: boston; ethnicity; fbi; obama
This adminstration withholding important information? I doubt many would be surprised...
1 posted on 04/21/2013 7:54:34 AM PDT by next media
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To: next media
I'm not sure why this is a big deal. With all of the security cameras in the area and probably tens (or even hundreds) of thousands of still photos from the media and from spectators at the Boston Marathon, I suspected from Day 1 that the biggest challenge for law enforcement would be to comb through all of that evidence and identify wich of the dozens of people in the area carrying backpacks or gym bags were the culprits.

That process would take several days at least. Once this was done, they posted the photos and names of the two suspects for public consumption and for help in finding them.

2 posted on 04/21/2013 8:00:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: next media

law enforcement officers refused to describe the ethnicity of the suspects...

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We need to hear a lot more about the Saudi guy who was tackled by the crowd at the scene. Very strange “coincidence”.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/fbi_grills_saudi_man_XaT5rE40LDdAH44vMFOEXM


3 posted on 04/21/2013 8:00:48 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: next media

Anythihg to protect the religion of peace death cult.


4 posted on 04/21/2013 8:01:06 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: next media

re: “And yet many wonder if those in power really presented all the information in an effort to do everything they could to catch the terrorists.”

Yes, and someone else on Freepers asked a great question earlier today - How is it that the FBI did not KNOW who either of these bombers were and asked the public for any information as to who these people were, when they admitted to questioning the older brother back in 2009 (or was it 2011)? Also, the mother of these two terrorists claims the FBI were always telling her that they knew the older one was into Muslim extremism and that he was a threat?

The FBI asked the public to help ID them from the photos released to us, how is it that they couldn’t ID at least the older brother?


5 posted on 04/21/2013 8:01:35 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: next media
However, despite what is a very common practice in law enforcement of describing the suspects, even more so in dramatic events such as the one which occurred in Boston , law enforcement officers refused to describe the ethnicity of the suspects.

Maybe I'm missing something here. Didn't the police and/or FBI post their photos and names on Thursday evening? Wasn't that probably what "smoked them out" and started the whole chain of events that shut down Boston all day on Friday?

6 posted on 04/21/2013 8:02:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Starboard
Interesting information there, but I think the New York Post effectively shredded their own credibility in their coverage of the Boston story. At the time of that article, they were still posting reports of 12 fatalities from Monday's bomb attacks.

From what I remember reading on Monday, I don't think there are two many Freepers who will ever consider the NY Post a credible media outlet again.

7 posted on 04/21/2013 8:06:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: rusty schucklefurd
It's worth noting that the older brother was very difficult to identify from the photos that were released, mainly because his face was shaded by the visor of his cap and he seemed to be wearing sunglasses in the photos I saw. The younger brother wore his cap backwards and had no sunglasses.

This is all speculation on my part, but I suspect someone identified the younger brother from the photo and then the FBI went back and "put two and two together" to identify the older brother from their own records.

8 posted on 04/21/2013 8:09:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Starboard
Glen Beck is supposed to be dropping the bomb tomorrow about the Saudi connection.


9 posted on 04/21/2013 8:14:09 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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All of this isn’t much different than this.

“Write The Constitution in bold print on a piece of paper. Now, put it on the floor and stomp on it”.

The cops and the FBI failed in this. Their only success was that they proved they can put fear in people and stomp on their rights.

However, that smoker who found the bomber in his boat, had the cohones to look in there and call the cops. He should have gotten all the praise at Fenway Park from the sheeple crowd. LE sitting there should have been ashamed and embarrassed. Hells bells, Suspect #2, according to police, took care of getting rid of Suspect #1.

Perhaps we can thank smokers for doing even more than paying for children’s healthcare.

Their habit is also a plus in catching terrorists! Next time we could call “shelter in place” for everyone but smokers. We could save a lot of money and wouldn’t need the brownshirts.


10 posted on 04/21/2013 8:15:45 AM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: Alberta's Child

They released photos of the real perps at 5:00 PM Thursday. They received names within an hour, but don’t think they knew before then.

I would have thought they would have spotted the perps on video/pics within a very few hours. They knew the exact moments and locations to start looking.

Maybe they had a tactical reason for not releasing what they knew earlier but finally were stumped and asked for help, for real this time. Minutes later the public provided their solution (similar to how they finally captured #2).


11 posted on 04/21/2013 8:15:58 AM PDT by fnord (My life is like the movie Willard, except with hummingbirds)
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To: fnord
I posted a few items on FR back on Tuesday and Wednesday about this. I had come across various links to websites that had posted high-resolution photos of the scene around the finish line just before and after the bombs detonated, and one thing that became obvious to me as I looked through them was that there were literally dozens of people who would fit any objective description of a "person of interest" in the case (younger male wearing a jacket or sweatshirt and carrying with a backpack or gym bag).

Heck -- it was a cool spring day in Boston, and it was the day of the Boston Marathon. You'd have to round up tens of thousands of people if you wanted to talk to everyone who fit that description.

12 posted on 04/21/2013 8:21:22 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Good points and I appreciate your reservations with regard to the source. But they may well be more credible in some cases than the dubious “reporting” of the MSM which sets a pretty low bar. LOL

It was just very curious that this particual guy happens to be at this location at this time. Maybe he’s just fascinated by footraces and finish lines. /sarc

And then we learn of the sudden Saudi meeting with Obama and plans to “deport” him. Something’s not right. Glenn Beck is supposedly going to report on this tomorrow.


13 posted on 04/21/2013 8:23:59 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: fnord
I'm speculating that the younger brother was much easier to identify because he wore his cap backwards and had no sunglasses on, and that within minutes of posting his photo the police were getting calls from people who knew exactly who he was.

Remember -- he appeared in any number of photos from the area of the bombings, so anyone who knew him and recognized him from those photos earlier in the week would likely have assumed he was an innocent bystander just like thousands of other people on the scene. He may have even told his friends and classmates some compelling story about what it was like to be there.

The whole story changed once he was identified as an actual suspect.

14 posted on 04/21/2013 8:25:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: I want the USA back
Imam From Muslim Brotherhood-Linked Mosque Was Invited to Attend Obama’s Boston Interfaith Service
15 posted on 04/21/2013 8:26:18 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Starboard
I'll believe Glenn Beck when I hear the details of his "story." Personally, I find it very suspicious that a media personality like Beck would throw a statement like that out there on Friday and tell his audience to tune in again next week to get all the details.

If he really knew something, why didn't he just put it out there on Friday? Probably because he wants to get a whole week of attention out of it rather than just one day.

16 posted on 04/21/2013 8:28:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Alberta's Child

re: “This is all speculation on my part, but I suspect someone identified the younger brother from the photo and then the FBI went back and “put two and two together” to identify the older brother from their own records.”

Yes, that sounds very plausible. Sorry, all the “conspiracy” stuff gets to you sometimes. Thank you for some clear thinking.


17 posted on 04/21/2013 8:41:24 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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he elder brother went to russia- came back later and IMMEDIAQTELY put violent jihadi articles and rhettoric on his website and he did this AFTER Russia Begged the US to keep an eye on him, and soemhow the FBI ‘missed the signs’?

BS! They were told to stand down cocnerning that radical islamist-


18 posted on 04/21/2013 8:44:12 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Alberta's Child

If he really knew something, why didn’t he just put it out there on Friday?
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Beck is a bit of a drama queen, for sure. Its the nature of a lot of TV personalities. However, IMO the story would be more effective if released on Monday for several reasons: (1) news released on a Friday tends to have low impact (politicians are well aware of this phenomena); (2) most of the focus right now is still on the two brotheres; (3) Beck can continue to substantiate the story; and (4) the Saudi might be wisked out of country on Tuesday. A Friday release would also have given the administration time to better manage the situation. But they can’t do that now because they don’t know what Beck has.

It might not amount to much but Beck is putting his credibility on the line big time with this one. We’ll have to see how it plays out and whether or not it “has legs”. If it does, it will be worth the wait.


19 posted on 04/21/2013 8:53:24 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

We’ll see. I’m certainly not holding my breath on this one. LOL.


20 posted on 04/21/2013 8:57:23 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: CottShop

Thanks. I learned a long time ago that it’s impossible to scrutinize these things objectively “up close” when a story is still unfolding and a lot of conflicting information is out there.


21 posted on 04/21/2013 8:58:20 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Alberta's Child

You’re absolutely right. It would be a nightmare trying to find any particular person in a crowd like that. But why weren’t they trying to improve the chances of finding them before others might be killed by releasing ALL the info? (And tragically were - the police officer) Because we can’t mention that they might be from a Muslim-majority ethnicity? That’s more important?

Good points as always though Alberta’s;)


22 posted on 04/21/2013 8:58:56 AM PDT by next media
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To: next media
Thanks. If you can find a good media report in the next few days about the timeline of the events last week, it would be worthwhile to go back and review it. Here's what I suspect happened:

1. The two bombs are detonated on Monday.

2. Unlike most other incidents of this kind, the police are faced with a problem of too much information, not too little information. They literally have thousands of hours of video footage and tens of thousands of still photos showing the scene of the attack in the time before and after the explosions. They get started immediately trying to piece things together.

3. Meanwhile, thousands of amateurs with internet access (and I don't use this term in a negative sense, because there was a lot of great information posted all over the place by these people) start looking at this evidence themselves and begin posting their speculation online. Again -- some of this was extremely well done and had some very astute observations.

4. One problem that becomes apparent is that on a cool spring day in Boston at a major event like the Boston Marathon, there are dozens of people in the crowd who fit the description of a "person of interest" -- i.e., a younger male wearing a jacket or sweatshirt and carrying a backpack or gym bag. One in particular gets a lot of attention -- to the point where he and his father report to the local police station to clear his name, Yes, he's a young male who looks Middle Eastern (he's from Morocco) ... yes, he was at the scene (he's a high school student in the area) ... and yes, he was carrying a gym bag near the finish line of the Boston Marathon (he was a high school track star who had just run the marathon himself)

5. For reasons like this one, the police wisely decide not to broadcast a general description of "any suspicious person" but instead focus on information from people right there at the scene who actually saw what happened in the moments leading up to the bomb blasts. The descriptions these folks provided, coupled with the review of photos and video images, narrows their focus to a couple of guys who arrived at the scene with backpacks but left the scene empty-handed.

6. By Thursday night they don't know the names of these two suspects, but they have descriptions and post their images all over the internet and ask for the public's help in identifying them.

7. The younger brother was probably identified by multiple people immediately, since his photo was so clear. The FBI probably ran his name through their own records and identified the older brother as Suspect #2.

23 posted on 04/21/2013 9:19:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: next media

My Grandma taught me, “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.” Obama evidently didn’t receive that message.


24 posted on 04/21/2013 9:20:59 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Oh -- and one more ...

8. Once their names and photos hit the airwaves, the two suspects panic and start taking steps to flee the area. They were obviously not prepared to do this, since they had to rob someone and steal his SUV just to get out of town. If they even owned a vehicle and had $200 in cash they probably could have been hundreds of miles away by Friday morning.

25 posted on 04/21/2013 9:21:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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What would be very interesting is to know the ratio of tips originating from within the area the terrorists were known to frequent versus elsewhere?


26 posted on 04/21/2013 9:22:07 AM PDT by fso301
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To: CottShop

I definitely lean towards your analysis... I see you see what they’re trying to do to us CottShoop...


27 posted on 04/21/2013 9:31:55 AM PDT by next media
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To: Alberta's Child

What you’re saying is very logical and thoughtful. If we had a more reputable president I would be inclined to think that they were following some reasonable advice like yours. As it is… I have my doubts…


28 posted on 04/21/2013 9:31:55 AM PDT by next media
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To: Alberta's Child

They posted the pictures of the suspects NOT the names. They asked the public to help identify them. We didn’t learn their names until the police were chasing them.
I find it not credible that the FBI didn’t know their names when they let those pictures go public.


29 posted on 04/21/2013 10:03:55 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: next media

THey didn’t even describe the clothing, which could’ve helped people go over their photographs to find a more clear photo of the suspect. A guy in a white hat turned backwards would narrow things down .


30 posted on 04/21/2013 1:25:35 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: weston
I can absolutely believe that law enforcement officials didn't know their names when they posted their photos for public view. Think about it:

1. The younger one is 19, and probably has no reason to have his photo show up in a public file that could be used to readily identify him.

2. The older brother -- who DID have prior contact with the law (including the FBI) -- was very difficult to identify because all of the images I've seen show him wearing sunglasses, and wearing a baseball-type cap that cast a shadow over his face.

These two were identified by the public, not the police.

Think of it this way:

Have someone take a photo of you in a public place, and see if ANYONE in law enforcement can identify who you are based just on the photo. But post that same photo on the internet and broadcast it to 300M+ Americans via the internet and television, and you'll have hundreds of people calling the police to identify you.

31 posted on 04/21/2013 3:51:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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