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Gun control and Boston incident
4/21/13 | vanity

Posted on 04/21/2013 8:53:29 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought

Impact of Boston on gun control


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This past week the country was treated to image after image of law enforcement carrying semi-auto rifles with so-called high capacity magazines as well as shotguns with extended magazine tubes.

Well the argument goes (in New York) that an individual only "needs" no more than seven rounds.

But the law enforcement, numbering in the hundreds need so-called assault rifles, high capacity magazines to capture a single individual.

This kind of lays bare a major disconnect in the anti-civil rights crowds argument.

Also the number of rounds fired versus the number of hits is going to be available.

It has been reported that 200 rounds were fired at the brothers near MIT. One was hit twice we find and the dead one (killed by the brother running him over according the the police) was hit multiple times. No specific number has been given, but lets exagerate for the point and say ten times. That is 12 of 200.

Again how does than seven number sound?

The surviving brother was subjected to extensive fire while in the boat and was hit another two times and the affect of at least two flash bang grenades in the little boat.

When surrendering, he stood up and pulled up his shirt.

No count on number of rounds fired at him, but the video suggests hundreds.

How is that seven rounds sounding?

1 posted on 04/21/2013 8:53:29 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: School of Rational Thought

Since the Boston bombers had at least one gun, where did they get them in the toughest gun state in the country.

I thought I would post this thread again. It’s an excellent read.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2013/02/17/the-nation-toughest-gun-control-law-made-massachusetts-less-safe/3845k7xHzkwTrBWy4KpkEM/story.html

They also had grenades and supposedly other military grade explosives. They could have just as easily walked into a gun free school zone and blown the legs off of hundreds of children. Instead, a child lost his life and other children and adults lost their limbs at the marathon.

The liberals need to wake up and stop coddling terrorists. Let the American people protect ourselves and not interfere with our constitutional right to bear arms.


2 posted on 04/21/2013 8:58:32 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: School of Rational Thought
Yes, but they're police officers, who are superhuman, perfect, and incomparably more precious than mere peasants citizens. Allowing them access to tools of self-defense has no bearing on whether peasants citizens should be allowed to have high-capacity double-barrel revolver semi-automatic machine gun derringer assault weapons.
3 posted on 04/21/2013 8:59:32 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: School of Rational Thought
"That is 12 of 200."

I was thinking that too.

Looking at these numbers, and if this is similar to results one might expect to find throughout all federal agencies, the governments recent purchase of 1.5 billion rounds of ammunition becomes more understandable.

4 posted on 04/21/2013 9:00:15 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: School of Rational Thought

Gun control worked perfectly in Boston. Not a single person was shot when those bombs went off... killing three people and wounding approx 200 others.


5 posted on 04/21/2013 9:10:04 AM PDT by RC one (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: RC one
Gun control worked perfectly in Boston. Not a single person was shot when those bombs went off... killing three people and wounding approx 200 others.

If only they'd had big signs up proclaiming the finish line a "Bomb-Free Zone" ...
6 posted on 04/21/2013 9:11:57 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

next time they’ll know to do that.


7 posted on 04/21/2013 9:13:27 AM PDT by RC one (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Does anyone know what type of weapons the bombers had? I know that they had at least one pistol. The scanner said armed and dangerous with at least one rifle. Did they both have pistols? Was a rifle recovered from them? These are important questions and could have an impact on the gun debate IMHO.

During a video of the 200 round shoot-out, I heard gun shots from a pistol(s) and ARs. Most of what I heard came from the police. I think I heard distant pistol shots, presumably from the terrorists.


8 posted on 04/21/2013 9:14:57 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: FR_addict

If they had grenades, why did they make one from a pot and some chaff ?


9 posted on 04/21/2013 9:16:39 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: School of Rational Thought
“That is 12 of 200.”

That’s actually surprisingly high for police officers.

Read about the FBI miami shootout or the recent pickup truck shooting in California.

Some cops are extremely fine marksmen, the majority of them are not firearms enthusiasts.

10 posted on 04/21/2013 9:18:44 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: School of Rational Thought

If anything, “gun control” after what has happened in Boston is DEAD.

Look for gun sales to really, really go through the roof BIBTIME.


11 posted on 04/21/2013 9:18:45 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: School of Rational Thought

With gun control and “cyber-security” bills presently being pushed for passage through Congress and state governments, this “greatest terrorist event since 9/11 plays perfectly into convincing(scare) the people into handing over more of their personal rights for protection by big daddy government.

Government just didn’t have enough data on these (how many?)guys to detect them “before they committed these acts of violence”. More cameras, more wiretaps, more access to your email, bank accounts, safe deposit boxes, purchases is needed and will be the rational for more regulation.

Remember Waco, the government attempting to “serve and protect” us, killed us.


12 posted on 04/21/2013 9:19:21 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Correction, BIGTIME.


13 posted on 04/21/2013 9:19:50 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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Another 'brilliant' statement from the Obama Regime.

FR is funded solely by the freedom loving folks who love and use it.

14 posted on 04/21/2013 9:20:36 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: 3Fingas

http://t.co/Qcfxw4SzKy

This one appears to have taken a rifle round.


15 posted on 04/21/2013 9:20:43 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: haffast

Rather, I think it is going to push the gun sales to extreme highs.


16 posted on 04/21/2013 9:20:46 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Celerity
I doubt they had grenades. Pipe bombs is more likely.
WalMart has been sold out of grenades for a long time....
17 posted on 04/21/2013 9:21:00 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: School of Rational Thought
Now is NOT a good time to be disarming the nation. Our military is so depleted, they'll need our help.

The only reason we weren't attacked during WWII was because we were an armed nation. The enemy feared there would be a weapon behind every blade of grass - and they were right.

Because of anti-gun laws, our nation has become vulnerable. Thank God for those people and guns that are still around! They may be the only things saving us someday.

I believe obomas goal is to make the U.S. defenseless. Confuse our government and laws, destroy our finances, our military, and our ability to defend ourselves here in the U.S. all while importing jihadist on a record scale (allowing his muslim brothers to finish the job they started on 9/11)
In my opinion, oboma has declared jihad on America. (Please, some one prove me wrong.)

18 posted on 04/21/2013 9:23:05 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: FR_addict

Has anyone reported on what kind of firearms these two characters were sporting? I’m guessing an AK or two.


19 posted on 04/21/2013 9:25:49 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Biggirl
Look for gun sales to really, really go through the roof BIGTIME.

My husband went to a sporting goods store yesterday to get ready for fishing season. He said the ammo shelves were bare. He's never seen anything like it.

20 posted on 04/21/2013 9:26:08 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: FR_addict

“Since the Boston bombers had at least one gun, where did they get them in the toughest gun state in the country.”

I was just thinking about this a few minutes ago, and lo and behold, a thread pops up on FR about it.

You asked the right question. Where did they get their gun(s)?

A follow up question is why isn’t the media all over this? Very unusual that they wouldn’t have been all over the “gun shop” that sold them.

If the guns were “stolen” why isn’t the media all over this story about “unsecured weapons”?

Inquiring minds want to know.


21 posted on 04/21/2013 9:27:32 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

I’ll bet the residents of Watertown, MA who own a gun felt a lot safer last week that the unarmed residents felt.


22 posted on 04/21/2013 9:28:47 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
Some cops are extremely fine marksmen, the majority of them are not firearms enthusiasts.

That's because they'd have to pay for their own ammo and practice unpaid on their own time. In Chicago they get 100 rounds a month from the city.

On the other hand, the average cop never fires his weapon during his entire career.

23 posted on 04/21/2013 9:30:13 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: MachIV
has anyone reported on what kind of firearms these two characters were sporting? I’m guessing an AK or two.

That would make no sense based on the reporting. If it were any rifle that could be labelled an "assault rifle" they would be shouting it from the trees. Dick Durbin was on CPSAN. He said gun control is not dead but that they are going to need another Newtown.

24 posted on 04/21/2013 9:31:41 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: School of Rational Thought

I have seen that before (in less detail, mercifully). I know what the police had on them. What I don’t know and haven’t heard yet was an accounting of what type of firearms the terrorists had. If anyone knows, please post a link. No corpse photos please, I just ate breakfast.


25 posted on 04/21/2013 9:34:11 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Excellent post! If law enforcement can’t hit an armed suspect with hundreds of rounds, what chance does the citizen have of hitting an armed susp with 7 rounds?


26 posted on 04/21/2013 9:34:22 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly
A follow up question is why isn’t the media all over this?

Because of the 2nd Ammendment, they've lost the gun debate. They're going to go after the gun powder instead. Soon, you'll be hearing the democrats say the powder has to be taxed and regulated "for the sake of the American people.".
You see, the bombs were made with....powder.

Pretty convientient, huh?

No powder, even LESS ammo. They can't buy it all, and they can't stop people from making their own, so they have to go further. No powder, no ammo. No ammo, no guns. See how that works?

Watch for it. It's coming.

27 posted on 04/21/2013 9:34:22 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

ARs are starting to become available again. .223 and .556 is also becoming more available and cheaper online. Walmart and other retailers still sell out in minutes when they receive shipments. 9mm., what I need, is impossible to find, at a price I am willing to pay for it


28 posted on 04/21/2013 9:37:11 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: School of Rational Thought

The authorities and residents of Boston got really lucky in this disaster, which could have gotten much worse, since there is speculation they had decided to go out in a blaze of glory. If they had not run into the MIT police officer, these two would have been unleashed on a largely UNARMED population. If they had entered people’s homes or engaged citizens on the streets, nobody would have been able to do anything to stop them. I wonder how long they would have lasted in Dallas or OKC?


29 posted on 04/21/2013 9:38:27 AM PDT by mtrott
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To: School of Rational Thought
Pipes now illegal in NY State under the SAFEPIPED ACT

[Secure Ammunition & Firearm Enforcement Pertaining to Improvised Pipe Explosive Devices

30 posted on 04/21/2013 9:40:51 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Stay strong for freedom everyone…


31 posted on 04/21/2013 9:41:15 AM PDT by next media
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To: mtrott

Not long I promise you. If they entered our neighborhood, they would have dozens of veterans armed to the teeth with evil black rifles to contend with.


32 posted on 04/21/2013 9:42:21 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: concerned about politics
Future headlines:

Flour, confectionary sugar, corn syrup, gasoline, hair spray, lighter fluid, aluminum foil, barbecue charcoal, room deodorizers all now banned by NY State as potential ammunition propellants. Plastic tubing for potato guns also banned.

[Did I leave anything out?]

33 posted on 04/21/2013 9:48:21 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: coloradan
Exactly. Who do these uppity peasants citizens think they are?
34 posted on 04/21/2013 9:49:41 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: School of Rational Thought

I find it interesting no one has mentioned the weapons too. This would be a perfect example for gun show loophole or private sales, universal background checks, assault weapon ban, etc.
Possible theories:
1 - the brothers had one pistol and a .22. Hearing the audio of the gunfight sounded like several cracks of a .22 were heard.
2 - brothers obtained additional weapons (already banned in MA) from cop they killed
3 - feds are still looking to see if these weapons are part of Fast and Furious or some of those we gave to Libyans.


35 posted on 04/21/2013 9:52:45 AM PDT by jim-x (9/11/2001 - Never forget, Never forgive.)
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To: FR_addict

“Defend our freedom from tyrants”........great thought, that’s what the 2nd amendment was for. Unfortunately, that has gone by the boards when looking at the firepower of those in power,if they ever turned on the people.


36 posted on 04/21/2013 9:59:10 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: School of Rational Thought

A poll should be taken of Watertown, an ultra liberal community. The question should be; during the lockdown did you ever regret not having a firearm to defend your family?


37 posted on 04/21/2013 10:02:21 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: 3Fingas

Ammunition manufacturers have been laying people off and shutting down lines because they cannot get enough components to enen keep up what they used to put out before the last election. Copper, lead, brass, primers, and powder all in short supply. Truly a messed up situation. Would be like GM trying to crank out cars with a shortage of paint or rubber and plastic.


38 posted on 04/21/2013 10:02:38 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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[Durbin] ....they are going to need another Newtown.

Doesn't that just make your blood run cold ... the libs 'need' (i.e. hope/want) another mass killing to justify their gun-grabbing ..... another school killing, the younger the better, I'm sure. Hey Turban Durbin .... there are plenty of "Gun-free" zones (i.e. schools) left .... shooting galleries for TERRORISTS so maybe your Leftist and/or terrorist buddies will oblige you and you'll have another batch of grieving parents you can take advantage of and parade out in public.

39 posted on 04/21/2013 10:02:41 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: 3Fingas

I went to a bix box hunting supply store two days ago on a rare day off. Customers were only allowed to buy 100 rounds of 22 lr ammo ! One box. That’s it.


40 posted on 04/21/2013 10:03:01 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Enterprise

“Excellent post! If law enforcement can’t hit an armed suspect with hundreds of rounds, what chance does the citizen have of hitting an armed susp with 7 rounds?”

Not the best analogy. The citizen defending himself or his family in most instances won’t be firing at a fleeing target, but will be engaging an agressor up close.


41 posted on 04/21/2013 10:06:53 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Good point. I guess most of the rapid fire I heard on video was from the AR’s(or was it M16’s) carried by police.


42 posted on 04/21/2013 10:09:59 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: kenmcg

You missed the intent of the post. I am being critical of limiting citizens to 7 rounds magazines.


43 posted on 04/21/2013 10:11:08 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: vladimir998
.22lr and 9mm...you more likely to see one of these under a full moon:

some_text

than one of these in the store:

some_text
44 posted on 04/21/2013 10:14:37 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: School of Rational Thought

“Dick Durbin was on CPSAN. He said gun control is not dead but that they are going to need another Newtown.”

Did he really say that? I would have bet they were thinking it but I’m really surprised they would verbalize it.

Just keep gun free zones in place and eventually we may have enough children slaughtered that we can have true gun control and then full control of the populace and enslave the remaining children. This is what DICK durbin would be saying.


45 posted on 04/21/2013 10:16:30 AM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: concerned about politics

It’s been mentioned in the past that ammunition be made with a one year shelf life, that would have to do with powder and I’m sure performance would immediatly be effected. Of course this would only be the ammo sold to citizens. Also an extremly high tax on ammo has been suggested, years ago senator monihan from New York suggested a $100 per round tax, he was a democrat of course and was always looking out for the intrest of us common folk.


46 posted on 04/21/2013 10:24:42 AM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: 3Fingas

I have ammo to fit all the firearms I have and for some I don’t have maybe I should buy a 7mm Rem. mag and a .44 mag.

I still by for what I have when I find it if the price is any where reasonable.


47 posted on 04/21/2013 10:34:19 AM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: 3Fingas

What’s even worse is that I bought a 22lr firearm to SAVE MONEY ON AMMO. Ha! Fat chance of that happening. When I do find the ammo it is dramatically more expensive than it used to be!


48 posted on 04/21/2013 11:03:09 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: bunkerhill7

Propane tanks, oxygen tamks, oxygen bars, garden fertilizer, kerosine, swimming pool supplies, weed killer, antifreeze, welding equippment, car batteries, natural gas, air compressors...

... could go all day with this. But always remember: The most powerful weapon at your disposal is your own mind.


49 posted on 04/21/2013 11:17:26 AM PDT by jimjohn
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To: School of Rational Thought

Anyone notice the MSM and authorities are mum on the type of firearms used by the bombers?

Usually they would be holding them up, taking photos, demonizing the type they were using.

In this case, nada.


50 posted on 04/21/2013 11:29:03 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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