Skip to comments.North Caucasus Rebels Deny Link to Boston Attack ( We Kill Much Better )
Posted on 04/21/2013 9:54:16 AM PDT by STD
North Caucasus rebels deny link to Boston attack By Dmitry Zaks (AFP) 1 hour ago MOSCOW, Russia A prominent rebel group from Russia's North Caucasus on Sunday denied any link to the deadly Boston Marathon bombings that have been blamed on two ethnic-Chechen suspects.
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"We are only fighting Russia, which is not only responsible for the occupation of the Caucasus, but also for monstrous crimes against Muslims," the rebels said. Both sites are viewed as mouthpieces of the North Caucasus guerrillas and are banned from being cited by the Russian media.
US news reports had earlier said the FBI was studying possible links between the two main suspects -- brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev -- and the Caucasus Emirate movement led by feared warlord Doku Umarov.
A statement issued by the FBI on Friday said Tamerlan had been questioned by the US authorities in 2011 at the request of a foreign government later identified as Russia.
The FBI statement said Moscow believed Tamerlan was "a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer."
But the agency at the time time "did not find any terrorist activity" associated with the older brother and dropped its investigation.
The US media reports said authorities were now especially interested in the Vilayat Dagestan offshoot of Umarov's group.
But the rebels in their statement argued that Umarov never targeted foreigners and did not view them as a threat to his dream of establishing an Islamist state across the southern swathes of Russia.
"The command of the Vilayat Dagestan mujahedeen calls on the US media especially to stop their speculation and not to assist the Russian propaganda," the Internet statement said.
Monday's double bomb attack on the Boston Marathon killed three people and wounded about 180.
The 19-year-old Dzhokhar is in serious condition in a Boston hospital following a massive manhunt on Friday in which 26-year-old Tamerlan was killed. Russian authorities said Sunday they were also checking the siblings' links to the fighters but had been unable to find any so far.
"At the moment, we have no credible information about the Tsarnaev brothers' involvement with the Caucasus Emirate movement," an unnamed Russian security source told the Interfax news agency.
Much of the speculation has swirled around the role of the late Tamerlan because he had a YouTube account with a playlist of men he identified as "terrorists" and Islamic preachers.
One link features a nearly hour-long speech by an Islamist with followers among the Dagestani guerrillas, according to intelligence sources in the United States.
The Tsarnaev family has said that Tamerlan visited Dagestan for six months last year.
One Russian report added that Tamerlan's father Anzor had kicked his son out of his house because he began displaying radical Islamist ideology.
The younger brother Dzhokhar -- badly wounded by the time he was detained by authorities on Friday -- also identified Islam as his "world view" on a Russian social media website.
Dzhokhar also lists information about Chechnya and Islam as well as different mosques around the world.
Dagestan -- a Caspian Sea region of almost three million people with a large ethnic Chechen minority -- has been one of the most violent regions of Russia since the second of two post-Soviet era wars ended in Chechnya about a decade ago.
Caucasus Emirates leader Umarov is widely recognised as Russia's public enemy number one who has staged some of the deadliest bombings in Moscow and across the North Caucasus in the past five years.
He claimed responsibility for a Moscow airport attack in January 2011 that claimed 37 lives as well as earlier twin metro bombings in 2010 in which more than 40 people died.
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You might ask the mod to delete that 1st post...
Interesting how fast the Chechens DON’T want the US in their stuff. We may not be what we were, but we are still the baddest dudes on the planet (well, until obozo finishes his “work”).
It would be funny if it weren't so true.
The 'crimes' against Muslims are simplt to preserve civilization.
Here is what Churchill said about 'the religion of peace'
A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
What the Chechens don't want is to lose the covert US support they are already getting.
Love the ‘we kill much better’ part;)
No Churchills anywhere to be found today. He was an intellectual giant whose legacy and preserved widom towers over the mental midgets we have running the US and the UK today.
Does that mean that the Chechens are, deep in their hearts, really nice guys?
Then what prevents us to invite all of them to immigrate?
The Russians deal very directly with muslim terrorists. Putin’s good old KGB tactics have undoubtedly caused thousands to mysteriously disappear before they could murder any more school children.
Putin publically invited jihadists to “step right up.”
The Russkies are actually criminals. According to Alexander Litvinenko (the guy who got poisoned with Polonium 210 awhile back), a lot of the terrorists the Russians were fighting against... were Russian agents anyway. He pointed the finger against the Russians in certain terrorist attacks in their country, wherein he cited evidence they were planned and carried out by the FSB designed to whip up support for Putin, who retaliated viciously.
All the stuff the New World Order freaks accuse the United States of... the Russians are guilty of. That’s why Russian Today and other Russkie media outlets always pimp the Truthers and other groups. It’s a line of attack that appeals to them due to their own guilt.
There are a lot of sites out there with FSB/KGB fingerprints, including Alex Jones and Zero Hedge.
“There are a lot of sites out there with FSB/KGB fingerprints, including Alex Jones and Zero Hedge.”
Yes, I know for a fact that Jones parrots Russian propaganda. Recall that spy ring awhile back with the redhead bimbo who all got deported back to Russia. One of them was a journalist of a Spanish socialist paper spreading propaganda that accused us of funding terrorists in South America, or some such thing (it’s been awhile). She works for the Moscow Times now, and a lot of her talking points wind up with Alex Jones today. (This was back during Putin’s reelection, and Jones was telling people that the U.S. was trying to destablize Russia through the civil-rights groups.) That was just one connection I happened to notice myself when I was checking out her writings. I’m sure Jones takes a lot more straight from Putin’s mouth.
[We could stop most terrorist attacks by securing our borders, and not inviting them into the country.]
What’s your plan for blocking IP addresses - to prevent the ideological exposure of those whose Useful Idiocy makes them receptive to infection?
Meanwhile, the open border did not prevent Colorado authorities from removing at least one physical threat:
What’s preventing other states where Al Fuqra operates from doing the same?
“Does that mean that the Chechens are, deep in their hearts, really nice guys?
Then what prevents us to invite all of them to immigrate?”
Well, they’d have to come around to the Mexican border and walk across and that’s a fer peace from Russia, but then again everybody else is doing it, uninvited, so...
I'm so reassured!
During the Georgia invasion in 2008, also. Jones was getting his show prep directly from the Kremlin. Then Ron Paul was taking it to the floor of the House.
There’s a reason both of these guys have been mainstays on RT.
Trying to identify with Russians is IMPOSSIBLE for Americans. I know quite a few Russians.
Let me just say that “better safe than sorry” applies here in flaming capital letters with day-glo, full orchestra back-up, live chorus, cannons, and bells.
I know - 1812 Overture, but still...
They’ve seen HELL, and it’s a muslim.
>>I don’t know if further actions would be necessary or not.
How’s Ryan G. Anderson doing these days?
I don’t oppose securing the borders.
But I also recognize that doing so wouldn’t alter the ability of Terrorist organizations to operate within them:
I understand the Islamic terrorist threat, but I also understand that our biggest threat comes from our tyrannical government that has been replacing Islamic terrorist with patriots. I don't think it's wise to give them additional power, considering it could easily be abused to use against the patriot movement to advance a political agenda. That baseless move was most likely a reason this attack wasn't stopped.
"[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom... was finally passed,... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination."
--Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821.
"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;...that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. ""I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
Our founders didn't tell us we have an obligation to rapidly increase Muslim immigration in the very distant future, that also coincides with violent attacks in the country by foreign Muslims.
You're trying to use Jefferson to make up some kind of right that grants foreigners superiority over American citizens, and your using his support of religious freedom, which I support, but isn't connected to anything we have been debating.
Why are you even attempting to use Jefferson in a frivolous attempt to build a ridiculous case to begin with, while obviously being a supporter of laws that ease our Constitutional rights in the name of safety? That is a direct and blatant contradiction to Jefferson's beliefs. I don't think anyone is under any illusion that our government wouldn't potentially abuse this power.
I don't trust our massive tyrannical government, and don't want it's powers expanded to “protect” me. I don't want a police force, with a history of dangerous incompetence overall, taking over a city and conducting warrantless searches. You're steadfast support of Islamic immigration, along with throwing out our Constitution under any notion of danger, is creating most of the problem that you want to solve by loosening our privacy, as if our tyrannical government will always have good intentions, and that's just creating another problem.
"You're steadfast support of Islamic immigration,"
It's your not you're. You're is a contraction between you and are "you are".
I don't have steadfast support of Islamic immigration - I simply recognize the fact that "securing the borders" won't stop ideological radicals from doing ideologically motivated radically stupid things -- things like becoming militant terrorists.
What was the impact of "Islamic immigration" and insecure borders upon the activities of ELF, the SLA, the Black Panthers, the terrorist Weather Underground, or, for that matter - The People's Front of Judea -- hmmm? ZERO?
You're a part of the problem. Your policy is why we have so much potential for domestic terrorism. You position is why those responsible for the Boston bombing were in this country. That's a fact.
I know there is a domestic terrorist threat. A lot of that threat has come with the increase in Islamic immigration since 9/11. We already have laws for this threat. We don't need new ones, and I will not support any new ones that have any potential to suspend the Constitutional rights of American citizens. I have no idea what you believe. You oppose my immigration stance, and make little sense with your weird talk about the arrest of domestic terrorist, or domestic terrorist attacks; without letting anyone know what the hell your trying to say with these statements. You're refuting things I haven't said. What imaginary point are you debating? Try to make sense, or stop bothering me with your strange nonsense.
I like how you point out a simple mistake in my grammar. It's a sign you have nothing else. You created a delusional debate about domestic terrorism that didn't exist in reality. I guess you had nothing the moment you started putting words in my mouth, and started aggressively refuting them in your little fantasy.
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Why not? Anyone who thinks the Communists didn't try the same thing with us during the Cold War isn't thinking. Environmental groups were pushed from afar for the same purpose, and it was some of the best money the KGB ever spent (from their point of view).
>>You are debating things I haven’t even been talking about
That’s because I live in reality land and you’re living on fantasy island.
A lot of that threat has come with the increase in Islamic immigration since 9/11
Meanwhile, in reality land -- The Jamaat ul-Fuqra camp near Hartsel was active >10 years earlier.
Where did Malcom X, Lois Fairycon and the Black Panthers immigrate from?
Terrorism, domestic and otherwise is an ideological issue.
How are Vern Howell, Dennis Mahon, and Tom Metzger doing these days?
>>Guardians of the Republic - www.OathKeepers.org
LOL That the same Ron Paul who advocates giving Iran nuclear weapons?
Because it wasn’t true. The accusations were designed to distract from massive voter fraud.
Your outright ridiculous belief about allowing Muslims from terrorist producing countries into our country, is criminally stupid. You have blood on your hands. You believe that foreigners have more rights than American citizens. You're attempt to use Thomas Jefferson's belief in Americans having the right to religious freedom, as some sort of outrageous claim to show he supported the immigration of Islamic terrorist was disrespectful and vile. That's a delusional thought that makes you no different than those on the left. You don't stand for anything this country was built on. Don't pretend to be someone who has tough stance on terrorism, because you do not. You have an unnatural obsession with open borders on both illegal and legal immigration, and then want the government to have rights that infringe upon our freedoms, for something your position allows to begin with. You trust this leftist regime with those powers. You are not on the side of this nation. You are embarrassingly ignorant at best, but I suspect it's much worse than that.
Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution.
[Your outright ridiculous belief about allowing Muslims from terrorist producing countries into our country, is criminally stupid]
LOL. Keep stuffing your Jackwagon with straw, Paultard. You’re the one pulling that “belief” out of your arse. I got nothing against controlling immigration - I just recognize doing so won’t resolve the ideological factors that produce Useful Idiot terrorists and Paultards.
So meanwhile, back in reality land:
Where were the folks residing in that Colorado Al Fuqra terrorist camp back in 1990 born?
"...in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination."
--Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821.
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15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written:
"'My house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations'?
But you have made it 'a den of robbers.'"
"What kind of man gives cigarettes to trees?"