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Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform (March 19, 2013 Article)
LATimes.com ^ | March 19, 2013 | Michael A. Memoli

Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

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To: stanne

Paul web site states Pauls’ position on illegals. Not nearly as strong as I would like on this issue but miles and miles away from Linda, McCrazy and Rubios’ position.


51 posted on 04/21/2013 2:30:55 PM PDT by jpsb
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52 posted on 04/21/2013 2:31:27 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: stanne

I think the Ron Paul haters have decided to transfer their hatred from the father to the son. It’s a jihadist kindof thing.


53 posted on 04/21/2013 2:33:45 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

There’s that, too.


54 posted on 04/21/2013 2:34:54 PM PDT by stanne
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To: LegendHasIt

“how quickly they switch...”

That is one of the most discouraging aspects of this whole thing.

I’ve worked pretty hard for “TEA” party candidates and they all seem to be crapping out.

I fear we are in deep, deep trouble.


55 posted on 04/21/2013 2:35:30 PM PDT by berdie
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To: jpsb

Here’s his strategy in a nutshell:

Rand is making noises to sound reasonable.

Rand is going to offer a bunch of amendments which will no doubt be defeated.

Rand will vote against the bill because it’s horrible and will do his best to explain why to hispanics

I’ve followed him since 2009 along with Mike Lee and Ron Johnson.

These guys are solid.

I have faith that he won’t endorse or vote for a bad bill but he’s going to do it in a way to make sure the message gets through that he supports doing something just not this.


56 posted on 04/21/2013 2:35:44 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: SoConPubbie

Wow, Sen. Paul, I just read last week that you had started a PAC for a 2016 Presidential run, Good Luck with that.


57 posted on 04/21/2013 2:37:55 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: berdie

Rand, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Ron johnson, Tim Scott won’t crap out. These guys are solid and i’ve got faith in them.

Some on here like to examine every public statement and scream AMNESTY! when he’s just trying to appeal to hispanics and get the messaging right.

It does not mean he’s going to support this bill unlike Rubio etc.

Just wait and see and have faith.


58 posted on 04/21/2013 2:37:56 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: jpsb
LATimes? March 19, 2013?

Yup.

What's the matter, has Rand Paul's position changed since then?

Or is he still sticking to his traitorous plan to "Normalize" 2 million Undocumented Democrats each and every year based on a "Certification" from congress that the border is secure?

You know, the self-same congress comprised of around 50% Democrats who think the border is secure if 2 million Illegal Immigrants are coming across each and every year and their traitorous RINO brethren who are bound and determined to grant Amnesty at any price and who will also vote, even now, that the border is secure.
59 posted on 04/21/2013 2:38:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

How long before Ron Paul Jr. says it’s about time that conservatives embrace the homosexual movement and welcome with open arms queer “marriage”. Stay tuned, because it’s coming from fake conservative, but very real libertarian Ron Paul Jr.


60 posted on 04/21/2013 2:39:07 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: stanne
The real question isn't who's posting month old articles, it's

Has Rand changed his position on calling conservatives to embrace immigration reform in the last month?


61 posted on 04/21/2013 2:39:38 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: NKP_Vet

That’s not going to happen. Rand is a social conservative and a Baptized member of the Episcopalian Church.

You’re making ridiculous statements...


62 posted on 04/21/2013 2:41:13 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

I don’t know why we just can’t enforce the laws on the books. But I agree we need a new immigration policy. One that blocks Islamists from coming here except in very unusual circumstances. One thing about Paul is he is serious about border enforcement, but with the Rats holding the executive branch I have little hope of enforcement ever happening.


63 posted on 04/21/2013 2:41:49 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: SoConPubbie

How do you know what his plan is?

Wait and see!

He will probably not vote for this bill.

Pay less attention to newspaper articles and pay more attention to voting records and what he actually does.


64 posted on 04/21/2013 2:42:31 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan; berdie
Some on here like to examine every public statement and scream AMNESTY! when he’s just trying to appeal to hispanics and get the messaging right.

Still carrying the water for Rand even though he is pushing his own brand of Amnesty.

From Merriam-Webster.com; the definition of Amnesty:

Definition of AMNESTY

: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals.

So, JohnPDuncan, what do you call it when Rand Paul's plan "Normalizes" (i.e. Legalizes) 2 million undocumented Democrats, each and every year, based on the certification by a Congress that the border is secure, given that that Congress is 50% Democrat and 25% RINO both of which groups already believe the border is secure?

What do you call forgiving the punishment involved with committing ID Fraud (Felonies) that most Illegal Aliens have committed?

How about forgiving the misdemeanor of crossing the border illegally?

That's what you call Amnesty.
65 posted on 04/21/2013 2:44:03 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: JohnPDuncan
Just wait and see and have faith.

Doesn't even pass the laugh test.

66 posted on 04/21/2013 2:45:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If the oath-breaking politicians won't fear God, we can at least make them fear We the People.)
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To: JohnPDuncan
Pay less attention to newspaper articles and pay more attention to voting records and what he actually does.

I pay attention to what Rand Paul has already spoken and written.

Straight from the horses, (JackAss in this case) mouth.
67 posted on 04/21/2013 2:45:08 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: jpsb

We can’t enforce the laws on the books because the Marxist has power for 4 years and won’t do it.

Rand is going to try and get amendments to this bill to give the border governors more of a say in enforcement and that the report to be voted on by congress which means any normalization can be voted down and rejected at a later date.

He likely wont get the amendments through and he’ll be left with a choice: Endorse and vote for a bad bill or vote against it.

I have faith he isnt going to compromise like McCain and Rubio. He will likely vote against it if he doesn’t like it.

The accusations and screaming of RINO etc. is ludicrous when it comes to Rand and I wish Socon would tone it down.


68 posted on 04/21/2013 2:45:42 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: Jane Long

And what’s the answer?


69 posted on 04/21/2013 2:47:04 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Sir Napsalot

“No. No new laws. We already have all the laws in place, and nobody enforcing them. What is the point of new laws?”

EXACTLY. Man, these two (Rubio & Rand) make me absolutely CRAZY! And WHAT is with MY Paul Ryan voting FOR the Gun Control Bill?

Am I living in Upside Down World, or am I just a low-info voter and don’t know it? Hard to tell who is on which side of what issue, these days! This should not be so hard!

When *I* run this country, sh!t like this WILL NOT STAND!


70 posted on 04/21/2013 2:48:02 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: JohnPDuncan; jpsb
The accusations and screaming of RINO etc. is ludicrous when it comes to Rand and I wish Socon would tone it down.

I'll tone it down when Rand Paul backs away from rewarding Undocumented Democrats for breaking the law with Citizenship, whether or not it's on the pathway, or immediate.

Until that time, because of the ultimate aims of his plan, he is no better than John McCain.

Same destination, just takes a little longer to get there, the destruction of the USA and the GOP by legalizing 30 million+ Undocumented Democrats.
71 posted on 04/21/2013 2:49:18 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: JohnPDuncan
appeal to hispanics

Hey, where's the *appeal* to Asian and African American's?

Why not appeal to conservatives?

72 posted on 04/21/2013 2:49:37 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul calls for plan to put illegal aliens in a new legal status in which they would become illegal again at any moment the border is declared to be insecure. This makes no sense.

Where are the real leaders of our time?! We are in desperate need!


73 posted on 04/21/2013 2:50:57 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: stanne
Not sure. If you find out, please let me know. I'll do likewise.

(Since I'm NOT an attorney, I don't know the answer before I ask the question!)

74 posted on 04/21/2013 2:52:08 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: JohnPDuncan
How do you know what his plan is?
Wait and see!

What, libetarian pissants can't be honest about their intentions?

They can't tell you up front that they're anti-American?

That they are for open borders?

That they are only conservative until they get elected?

That they are for legalized sex slavery, gay marriage, queers in the military, queers in the Boy Scouts, muslim terrorists running loose all over the USA, a foreign policy that requires America just surrender?

That they are dope smoking, livestock molesting, child molesting, commie infiltrators, just waiting until after they get elected to take off their masks?

Wait and see what? We've seen this all before, too many times.

75 posted on 04/21/2013 2:52:51 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: BobL
Didn’t take him long to turn in his “Hero of Free Republic” trophy...for the filibuster.

The same freepers that are so upset about this will be imploring us to vote for Rubio or Jeb in 2016.

76 posted on 04/21/2013 2:52:59 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Undocumented Democrats get documents Act

That's how Jay Leno was describing the new terminology for illegals this past week.

It's pretty sad state of affairs when even a tinseltown liberal like Leno has this scam figured out better than Rand does.

77 posted on 04/21/2013 2:53:00 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: SoConPubbie

Socon, Rand is not a treacherous RINO scumbag jackass.

He’s one of the most conservative members of the Senate with perfect scores from FreedomWorks, Club4growth and every other group you can imagine.

There are plenty of politicians you apply that label to but not Rand Paul.

When a bill comes to the Senate he’s going to try and amend it. That’s his job as a senator for the people of Kentucky.

He’s going to try and amend it in the best possible way which can get enough votes to achieve his conservative aims.

His idea is to put a break on normalization and link the trigger to a vote of the congress. That means Congress can reject it if they;re not happy with enforcement.

I doubt he will even get this through and will vote against the bill and will behind the scenes to kill it.

But that’s not what he wants the public, the moderates and the independents and hispanics to hear. He wanrs them to know that the GOP is for immigration reform just not this kind.


78 posted on 04/21/2013 2:53:42 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: SoConPubbie

Nope


79 posted on 04/21/2013 2:53:43 PM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: Arthurio
How’s this for reform — round up the criminal invaders and toss their collective asses out of the country.

I like.

80 posted on 04/21/2013 2:59:54 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: joseph20

No actually, he wants the border secured and a vote on Congress every year before anyone gets a visa.

This bill is horrific and it’s coming.

Bear in mind the dems have 55 votes and 4 GOP traitor votes in their back pocket.

There’s not much Rand can do. What do you want him to do? He can’t stop it by himself.

It’s going to be hard to stop it in the House nevemrind in the Senate.

Trust in Rand i’ve supported him and Lee for 4 years and they’ve not let me down and never wavered.

He aint going to start now.


81 posted on 04/21/2013 3:00:30 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: SoConPubbie

Do we need to pass it to find out what is in it?


82 posted on 04/21/2013 3:02:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

So Congress votes every year to grant a special kind of quasi-citizenship? What a terrible idea. Terrible. Rand Paul supports this?


83 posted on 04/21/2013 3:06:29 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: SoConPubbie

Ye of little faith Socon.

Rand is no dummy. He’s just helped kill gun control and enraged Obama who said “someone” (i,e him) mentioned he was using children as “props”. He didn’t like that.

Have you heard the term “smiling assassin?”.

If Rand doesn’t like this bill he will vote against it and will do all he can to kill it behind the scenes but he won’t say it publicly in fact he’ll be saying the opposite and looking like a pro-immigration reform zealot while he tries to sink it.

These are political machinations.

His capacity to kill this bill is limited considering the 59 votes they already have in the Senate. This thing is going to pass.


84 posted on 04/21/2013 3:08:02 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: joseph20

He’s trying to take a bad bill and make it better. He will fail leaving a bad bill.

So compare what he wants to the current horrific bill and it looks a bit better.

But it wont get through and we all know that they have the votes to pass what they want.


85 posted on 04/21/2013 3:09:42 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: SoConPubbie
N O!!!

Plain enough for ya now?!

86 posted on 04/21/2013 3:10:32 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I still think annexation of Canada and Mexico is the best idea, and then all the way down to Columbia, to include Cuba, Puerto Rico and the rest of the Caribbean. The wealth of all North America in resources and people is unimaginable.


87 posted on 04/21/2013 3:13:02 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie
Does nobody understand what is wrong with our country?
88 posted on 04/21/2013 3:13:38 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: SoConPubbie

I’d like to apologise to everybody on here, everybody everywhere, for ever supporting Rand Paul. I used to maintain a ‘draft Rand Paul for 2012’ ping list, and I’m sorry. I can’t take this man even seriously enough now to support him for local dog-catcher. Please forgive my poor judgement.


89 posted on 04/21/2013 3:13:50 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Randy, the feral government selectively enforces current immigration law, enforcing only the parts that result in more Democrat voters.

They will do the same thing with a new immigration law.

Start enforcing current immigration law, and we can talk.

Otherwise, sit down and shut up.

90 posted on 04/21/2013 3:15:51 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: Jim Robinson

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Now I’m off to read your post to obama, biden et al ~


91 posted on 04/21/2013 3:17:31 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 (Offended!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I will only embrace deportation reform.


92 posted on 04/21/2013 3:19:29 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Attempting to avert a horrific bill by introducing a BAD bill makes no sense. Rand Paul what are you thinking?

Where are the great leaders of our time? We need you to stop this madness!


93 posted on 04/21/2013 3:23:00 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: joseph20

What do you want him to do?

His options are limited.

There’s 59 votes for this trash.

It’s going to pass.

He’s trying to make a bit better. He’ll fail.

Keep the faith.

He’s not like the others at all.

Socon knows this deep down...

Be critical of his public statements by all means but it’s more important what he does and what votes for I think.


94 posted on 04/21/2013 3:26:43 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand, you ignorant slut.


95 posted on 04/21/2013 3:29:26 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: SoConPubbie
No f-ing way.

No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

96 posted on 04/21/2013 3:32:21 PM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! www.7161.com/streamer.cfm?dt_track_id=21356)
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To: SoConPubbie

Sounds like we’re going to have zero non-RINOs to choose from in 2016. Unbelievable.

No difference between the major parties anymore. NONE.


97 posted on 04/21/2013 3:37:26 PM PDT by CountryClassSF
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To: JohnPDuncan
"What do you want him to do?

His options are limited."


I want him to stand up and speak out against the proposed legislation. I want him to condemn it and to rally all his political power as a Senator to oppose it.

Why do we need NEW laws to enforce the security of our border?

When will a great leader come forth to save our Nation?
98 posted on 04/21/2013 3:37:54 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: JohnPDuncan

I sadly, must agree. This bill will most likely pass. It infuriates me.

But will it not go to the House after that? Can it be killed there? Since the Pubs have decided it’s a great idea...I’ll be curious.

As far as voting records go..I don’t put much credence in them any longer. So much is decided by the politician’s future career in his district/state. And the manipulation of both party’s big wigs.

I hope you are right about Paul. But have become pretty cynical regarding all politicians.


99 posted on 04/21/2013 3:38:22 PM PDT by berdie
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To: tobyhill

Politicians?


100 posted on 04/21/2013 3:40:22 PM PDT by berdie
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