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Did Boston bomber murder his 'only American friend' in horrific triple killing in 2011?
daily mail ^ | 4/22 | tomlinson

Posted on 04/22/2013 8:34:05 AM PDT by RummyChick

Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev may have murdered his 'only American friend' in an unsolved triple killing two years ago, it emerged today.

Brendan Mess had his 'throat slit' alongside two other men in a Massachusetts apartment in 2011 in what police described as a 'very graphic crime scene'.

Former associates of the Chechan immigrant didn't initially suspect him of carrying out the gruesome attack, but thought it was strange he didn't attend his friend's funeral.

Now one man who knew Tamerlan through the gym where they trained said some of their social circle 'without even speaking about it beforehand have all been thinking' he could be involved.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bbtimeline; bbtriplemurder; bomber; brendanmess; dzhokhartsarnaev; erikweissman; muslim; raphaelteken; tamerlan; tamerlanfriend; tamerlantimeline; triplemurder; tsarnaev; typicalmuslim
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1 posted on 04/22/2013 8:34:05 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

When people start dying around a terrorist, it is not usually coincidental.


2 posted on 04/22/2013 8:43:07 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: RummyChick
Mess and two other men - Raphael Teken and Erik Weissman - were murdered on September 12, 2011

One day after a 9/11 anniversary (or on 9/11 depending on the timing i.e. midnight-ish) and "Weissman" sounds Jewish. And then he doesn't attend the funeral, etc.

3 posted on 04/22/2013 8:48:09 AM PDT by bgill
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To: RummyChick

Could have been an “Initiation Rite”


4 posted on 04/22/2013 8:48:37 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: RummyChick

“Did Boston bomber murder his ‘only American friend’ in horrific triple killing in 2011?”

As Bugs Bunny would say: “Could be!”


5 posted on 04/22/2013 8:50:58 AM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: bgill

Isn’t that the same day or day after that the youngest brother became a US citizen?
Maybe there’s a connection between this and the murders.


6 posted on 04/22/2013 8:53:36 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: RummyChick

The whole thing is very suspicious. I don’t think a drug dealer kills someone over drugs or money ... and then leaves the drugs AND the money behind. More likely there was something more ... personal ... involved and then he sprinkled the dead guys’ drugs around to throw police off the scent.


7 posted on 04/22/2013 9:01:00 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: RummyChick

A muslim throat cutter? What are the odds of that?


8 posted on 04/22/2013 9:05:15 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: RummyChick

Interesting thread of friends and some “Anon” person discussing the murders over here.

http://blogs.wickedlocal.com/cambridge/2011/09/14/did-you-know-eric-weissman-or-rapheal-teken/#axzz2RD0I2PxG

“Anon” could easily be the elder Tsaraev, showing little remorse.


9 posted on 04/22/2013 9:06:20 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Leftists' favorite Mass Murderer: Kermit Gosnell)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Yeh....That may have been an excuse to contact these folks whoever they were. I’m going back to see what I can find out and how it hits me.


10 posted on 04/22/2013 9:21:30 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: RummyChick

Nothing gets past the FBI...


11 posted on 04/22/2013 9:21:35 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: edwinland
"I don’t think a drug dealer kills someone over drugs or money ... and then leaves the drugs AND the money behind."

A drug dealer would usually use a handgun to take out competition, or someone who didn't deliver the goods. Throat cutting and beheading is the handiwork of a muzzie. I'd say the chances are good that TamiFlu killed them, since everyone knows muzzies don't have real friends.

12 posted on 04/22/2013 9:23:59 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
A muslim throat cutter? What are the odds of that?

sadly, the local police were too dense or politically correct to make that connection...if I did the minimal amount of detective work to discover one of the murdered's close friends was a Chechen dabbling in radical Islam, guaranteed I would have followed that trail...very possibly preventing this whole horrific episode.

13 posted on 04/22/2013 9:27:03 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: ghost of nixon

http://www.wickedlocal.com/brookline/news/x985870552/Community-mourns-Brookline-HS-alumnus-killed-in-Waltham-homicide#axzz2RD4zVscK


14 posted on 04/22/2013 9:29:38 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/09/16/autopsy_finds_waltham_murder_victims_had_throats_cuts/


15 posted on 04/22/2013 9:35:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: RummyChick

How does someone manage to kill THREE people with a knife without someone getting away? Either the guy was a ninja or the victims had to be sleeping.


16 posted on 04/22/2013 9:40:43 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

A muslim throat cutter? What are the odds of that?


Wow, the dude quit boxing reportedly because it is against the tenets of islam, but triple homocide is not.


17 posted on 04/22/2013 9:48:50 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great natiorn is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: RummyChick

Hang on, guys. The source is the Daily Mail? Proceed with caution.


18 posted on 04/22/2013 9:51:40 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: edwinland

and then leaves the drugs AND the money behind....I successfully investigated, arrested and prosecuted a drug dealer who shoved a $100,000 worth of heroin and cocaine up a guys ass who had stiffed him for $50,000. Sent quite a message to other pushers. By the way, the stuffed guy died of constipation?


19 posted on 04/22/2013 10:08:19 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: righttackle44

The source is the Daily Mail?...We get more REAL info from them than any US news outlet.


20 posted on 04/22/2013 10:10:04 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: edwinland

BINGO!...we have a winner...

They had their throats slit and the dope thrown all over them?

You bet your ass it was the muzzy Mo Fo...


21 posted on 04/22/2013 10:59:39 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: RummyChick

Here are some VERY interesting links;

http://www.wickedlocal.com/brookline/news/x985870552/Community-mourns-Brookline-HS-alumnus-killed-in-Waltham-homicide?zc_p=1

Teken was Jewish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enlDT_QB4Z0

Weissman was a student at the same school as the bombers.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/09/15/police_id_3_victims_in_waltham_killings/


22 posted on 04/22/2013 11:05:30 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: GraceG
Could have been an "Initiation Rite"

Or something close. The bomber's handlers needed ways to control him. Killing someone's best friend is like having him wake up next to his horse's head. Also the handlers could keep the case hanging open as blackmail.

23 posted on 04/22/2013 11:10:45 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Great find.


24 posted on 04/22/2013 11:12:20 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: righttackle44

ABC is also reporting it. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/boston-bomb-suspect-eyed-connection-2011-triple-murder/story?id=19015628


25 posted on 04/22/2013 11:14:59 AM PDT by Lacey
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To: RummyChick

Is this the same killer that lamented he had ‘no American friends’?

Liberals were getting all teary about that one... so now it turns out he DID have one American friend and he killed him?

Awful, but it’s funny thinking of all the liberal ‘journalists’ so ready to feel sorry for him... no friends? Boo hoo...Oh, he killed the one friend? Ahhh, ummm, ummm, it’s the FBI’s fault... ummm or the right wing... or ...


26 posted on 04/22/2013 11:19:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop; Sacajaweau
Sept 11, 2012
27 posted on 04/22/2013 11:21:29 AM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: thouworm

You’re quite right.


28 posted on 04/22/2013 11:23:39 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: righttackle44

“Hang on, guys. The source is the Daily Mail? Proceed with caution.”

Are you kidding? Here in the USASSR they are the best source of information we have!


29 posted on 04/22/2013 11:24:51 AM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: righttackle44

I trust the Daily Mail, heck I’d even trust Pravda before I’d believe our media.


30 posted on 04/22/2013 11:25:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Straight Vermonter
How does someone manage to kill THREE people with a knife without someone getting away? Either the guy was a ninja or the victims had to be sleeping.

Or stoned/drunk/drugged.

31 posted on 04/22/2013 11:31:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: palmer
Or something close. The bomber's handlers needed ways to control him. Killing someone's best friend is like having him wake up next to his horse's head. Also the handlers could keep the case hanging open as blackmail.

It's standard in criminal organizations that, in order to be admitted into the inner circle you have to commit murder (or some other serious crime). It weeds out undercover cops. It means that you cannot safely testify against any mob member without your own crimes being exposed.

I lean towards this being an initiation rite. Particularly since at least two of the victims were Jewish.

32 posted on 04/22/2013 11:46:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

The reason for my speculation (pure speculation) is that the bomber was already long in the inner circle (Islam). He had no other higher calling than to the Jihad thing, not join some gang to be cool, even a Jihad gang. OTOH the Saudi and Chechen moneymen had good reason to want him (a mostly white guy).


33 posted on 04/22/2013 12:00:10 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: thouworm

a year off I was. Only seven months as a US citizen and he turns on us.


34 posted on 04/22/2013 12:02:45 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Amberdawn

I figured Weissman was Jewish so this make two. That’s reason enough for a muzzy to slit their throats. Then he killed is best and only friend to keep him quiet. It’s making more and more sense.


35 posted on 04/22/2013 12:35:56 PM PDT by bgill
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To: RummyChick

what happens when intelligence people are so obsessed with waiting for the little fish to lead them to the big fish

the little fish go out and do what they trained to do

if our intelligence people knew ANYTHING about these guys, then they needed to be on them like white on rice to prevent them from doing anything, whether they led them to anyone else before that or not


36 posted on 04/22/2013 12:51:04 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: bgill

You may be right. I also wonder if the dead scum terrorist was making money by selling pot, like Mess reportedly was, to help finance his lifestyle.


37 posted on 04/22/2013 1:37:02 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: penelopesire; 1_Rain_Drop; Sacajaweau
Penelopsire: FYI ping --- We need a timeline on the brothers that includes father and mother for the last 4-5 years! I am especially curious when father, and then mother, returned to Dagistan.

No evidence that Tamerlan committed these murders, but it is odd he didn't attend his "only friend's" memorial or funeral services. After then he also stopped hanging around the gym where he and his friend worked out. Tamerlan also quit boxing in 2011.

There are many photos at article link, including those of the three men whose throats were slit on Sept 12, 2011: Brendan Mess (friend), Raphael Teken, and Erik Weissman.

According to this report:

Early 2011--[I read Jan 2011, but I don't have a link for that source], Russia asks the FBI to look at Tsarnaev's activities, a senior U.S. official said."The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups," the FBI said in a statement.

[Was Tamerlan preparing to take a trip to Dagistan in 2011 and then didn't go? The Russians knew THAT much about him? Was his father already in Dagastan by then or did he leave shortly after? The only dates that I can find is that father has been in Russia for "a couple years."]

Summer 2011---After interviewing Tsarnaev and family members, the FBI says it "did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign, and those results were provided to the foreign government."

Lastly, it might be noteworthy that Tamerlan left for Dagistan a few months later for 6 months (Jan 12 - July 17, 2012).

Mother's arrest -- June 13, 2012
report from the Natick Police

[When did mother go to Dagistan? I searched and searched, but can't find a date.]

September 5, 2012 --- Tsarnaev presents an application for U.S. citizenship, according to the New York Times. The application prompted "additional investigation" of him in 2013 by federal law enforcement agencies, officials told the newspaper. The officials declined to say how far that examination had progressed or what it covered, the New York Times said. Source

Sept 12, 2012 --- Murder of his "only friend," Brendan Mess

Rain_Drop and Sacajaweau --- you may have been off a year, but maybe not on your hunch. Look at this other "coincidence" between Sept 5, 2012 and Sept 12, 2012.

38 posted on 04/22/2013 2:13:51 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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I think the blog of the girl who received facials from the mom may have mentioned about the mom’s trip. I have to find the link.


39 posted on 04/22/2013 3:31:40 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

She said she stopped seeing mother Dec 2011/Jan 2012, but she also said mother took long trip to Russia in 2011-2012, IIRC.

I wish she could have been more specific.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/04/20/know-boston-bombers/


40 posted on 04/22/2013 3:43:34 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: thouworm
From that link:

"When I read online that she had left for Russia a few months ago, my first reaction was to think that she might have known about the attacks her sons were planning. Articles online suggest that she is in Russia because of her husband’s poor health. I know that her husband often went to Russia without her, and for extended periods of time. "

Maybe there's a way to find the cache of the mom's website if google crawled it.

41 posted on 04/22/2013 3:53:22 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: thouworm

I do think that those murders were done by black hat bomber. It would appear to me that the press in London has been doing most of the digging on the family. We can probably find the answer to that in their articles. Daily Mail,The Mirror, The Telegraph, and a few others.
My concern is not really focused on this punk’s family right now though. Here are the things I would like to see....the FBI report on black hat bomber made in 2011. He was already radicalized at that time. Here is my other problem....i don’t trust any media accounts and while we may sometimes get dots..we seldom get the truth. I am more interested in this Administration’s cover ups and lies concerning the Saudi at the hospital too.(see The Blaze’s breaking report on that).

Also more concerned with why the justice department did not file terrorism charges on this terrorist and why they did not name him an enemy combatant. My suspicion is that by not filing terrorism charges, they hope to keep all references to Islamist influence out of the trial and also to not have any of their own complicity and malfeasance come up in discovery.

I want to push our representatives to call for immediate congressional hearings. Just so much has happened I cannot even keep up with it all!!


42 posted on 04/22/2013 3:54:45 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: RummyChick
... but, but, but, but how can that be?

Tamerlan is such a good loooking young man,... so earnest,... so ambitious,... wanted to be an accountant,... played the piano and violin, so American!

Impossible!!

43 posted on 04/22/2013 4:01:59 PM PDT by Gritty (The Constitution's purpose is to insulate personal freedom from a lust for power-Judge A. Napolitano)
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To: thouworm

Parents divorced Sept 2011


44 posted on 04/22/2013 4:19:41 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Thanks!!! I completely missed that info in her article! I knew I remembered seeing it somewhere.


45 posted on 04/22/2013 4:28:13 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

“Parents divorced Sept 2011”
Excellent. Have a link for that?


46 posted on 04/22/2013 4:30:00 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

—— A muslim throat cutter? What are the odds of that? -——

Tea Party throat slitters!

Yeah, I’d say the chance he did it is 100%.


47 posted on 04/22/2013 4:33:56 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Batman11
As Bugs Bunny would say: “Could be!”

More likely: "What a maroon"........

48 posted on 04/22/2013 4:36:27 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Or “Of course you realize...This Means War!”


49 posted on 04/22/2013 4:36:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: thouworm
I saw one report that says they were here for about 10 years before moving back. My guess....1-2 years ago

I also believe they are/were part of this. The first person he called was his mother....

50 posted on 04/22/2013 5:21:03 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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